Texas Law Tells Schools to Teach Bible

'No....unless they are out to become a sci fi director.'

You only need to read the 'good book' to know all you need to about 'sci-fi'.

Parting of the sea, talking bush, two of every animal on earth in an 450' wooden boat, faith-healing, earth is 6,000 years old, virgin births, angels, demons, pi=3, men have fewer ribs than women, flat earth on pillars with a Lexan(tm) dome over top, slingshot bearing giant killers, resurrection....

Sheesh. Does it get any more sci-fi than that?
Kirk out.

Just as I always said...Liberals can't take the ribbing they give.

Proposed nocturnal tape for all American school children (eyes only, not for attribution)

When you wake up you will remember nothing but, when you get the signal (code-word 'progressive') you will proceed to Grand Central Station where you will go to locker 26 and pick up your suicide belt. On the signal 'secular', you will then go to the closest school or daycare center and enter the front door and (on the command DemonCrat) pull the ripcord.
OreoBama, over and out.

Yeah, that Obama's speech, it was just scary and eveil. Personally, I crapped my pants. Fortunately, I am a staunch 'conservative, and wear pampers at all times, lest the negro boogeyman suddenly launch his Manchurian Candidate AntiChrist assault on our fabulous freedoms, not the least of which ios the glorious freedom to bear assuaklt weapons at a peaceful protest within close proximity of the POTUS.
Just when you are gradually gaining credibilty points (because you are, in fact, reasonably intelligent, though fatally combative and harshly partisan yet literate and presumably well-read, though now I am less sure, you turn about and make a statement like the above and voluntarily relegate yourself to the intellectuial pergatoryof wingnutty-pedia-land.

Totally did nothing to disagree with what i just said.

But cute none-the-less.

Speaking from a strictly personal perspective, noboby strikes fear in my heart like a fake martial arts expert and washed-up B actor.

That is a drawing of a child in a concentration camp.

ok love rfidemocracy's comment, but jammie you like drawing kids in concentration camps? wtf?

ive read the bible, front to back, and really wanted to be a Christian. then i read the Quran... I'm not a Muslim. But I did see the holes in the English bible, enough to not be able to believe in it. I only share that jammie so you know that i have read and studied it.

So my comment towards the actual article, it would be wrong for public schools to teach any single one religion with out discussing others, as well as balancing it with some fact-based evolution teachings. Why? because it is wrong to sell the idea to children that they will spend eternal damnation, (burning in hell forever), if they do not believe in this one god.

I have no further comments, and rest my case.

You love to abuse kids in concentration camps?

Great personality you have there.

You can't really want to be when you never were.

haha jjamie seems to be at a loss of comebacks. none of what you said countered my response. great attempt, not. by not disproving me, i will say it again... i rest my case.

Stating you read it front to back doesn't do much for your argument...since you can't really back it up. It's just another statement...another opinion.

And after you got finish talking about arrogance you make a post like that? Talk about a bulb going out....

you gotta put more effort into thinking before you go out and make yourself less than smart.

There are many things in this world that people see and still deny. Your "reading" of the bible cannot be any different.

Ever heard the story about the tourist and the volcano? The park rangers fly around in the helicopter telling people to get out of the way because the volcano had erupted and the slow moving lava was encroaching on their very spot. They warned everyone they could because they could see it.

But even that didn't make people move. People stayed (ie. Katrina victims and the LA fire victims). When the authorities went back over the damage and found people with cameras in their hands and how they were still waiting and not running....

it just goes to show you that just because someone knows something doesn't mean they'll do the right thin no matter HOW MUCH EVIDENCE they are shown. Spare me your pandering. It's not worth it.

Good thing it's not that either.

Please inform me when you have stopped regurgitating and actually read to give an opinion.

For someone that gets all hypersensitive over Moore's terrible movies and people not viewing them (which I have) you sure do like to do that with things you have not read. Oh and I'm not talking about pieces of it you read off a website criticizing it. That's just like thinking you saw a movie after reading a review.

I happen to have read much more than my share of the book in question, as it turns out.

It's why It makes me view it as a dubious and superstitious collection of documents by some fools in the desert who thought the earth was built on pillars with a dome over the top and who believed they were possessed by Beelzebub when they puked after drinking too much wine.

"reading more than my share"

means nothing to me.

All it translates to is that you could have read two pages and got sick of it. Making you worse than I had first stated.

RFI, thank you for that statement of reason. I couldn't have stated it better myself.

Jammie
Yes, and it took me 16 years of church to get through those 'two pages', plus the +/-1000 sermons and 300 sunday school lessons, not to mention the bible BS that public schools got away with back in the day, before it was so sensibly banned, since religious dogma in a public school environment is unacceptable and tantamount to child abuse.

Evolution teaching is child abuse as well. It's far too ridiculous to pull a one trick pony on poor unexpected children.

I did not ask if you were indoctrinated. I asked if you read the bible.

But it does explain why you are not so extreme in your anger.

Beautiful! We now have J_Jammer on the record. Allow me to re-post, if you would.

"Evolution teaching is child abuse as well. It's far too ridiculous to pull a one trick pony on poor unexpected children."

You heard it here, folks.
'I did not ask if you were indoctrinated. I asked if you read the bible. '
And I answered. Shall I draw a diagram?

'But it does explain why you are not so extreme in your anger.'

Anger? I am delighted.

No you did not.

You said everything BUT, "Yes I have read the Bible and by the Bible I mean the ENTIRE 66 books."

You said a bunch of elusive things.

And yes that is much better for you, because everyone can see you would rather talk about anything other than what you have NOT read. Gave you every out to focus on something other than how you did not read the bible and you took every single one.

A simple no works.

Justifying why you have not by stating what i have not read doesn't take the fact you haven't read it all disappear.

None of those books date back to the time of Ancient Egypt.

You know that.....because you carbon dated those books?

Yes, they have been carbon dated. The oldest known manuscripts come from about 200 B.C. This is hardly Ancient Egypt.

Those are hardly the originals.

Hebrews had scribes for a reason.

So you have the originals then?

A scribe is someone that copied the works so that they would survive...and/or so copies can be given. The dead sea scrolls aren't even the originals.

That's the weak argument of many that men wrote it. But what they fail to take into consideration is that being a scribe was a serious job. It was like being a court reporter except a scribe was far more serious. They took painstaking efforts that ensured they were copying word for word the document they had to scribe.

I'm sorry they didn't write on walls like Egyptians so that it could last....

and was it not Egyptians that invented paper? That they did.

its called the "Dead Sea Scrolls". look them up. That would be the only surviving manuscripts of biblical texts and only dating as far back as 100 BCE. The beautiful thing about a scientific, critical thinking and reasoning mind, i am interested in being proven wrong, because then i would have gain knowledge that i did not hold before... so please share with me the backings to your claims of the bible being from the days of ancient egypt.

but then again, i realize im talking to somone that believes the planet is about 8,000 years old, and when judgement day comes the whole universe (with all other galaxies, planets, etc) will end its existence, because our god told us so.

Good thing God didn't state that at all.

So then JJammer, the answer is NO, you do not have an original copy?

Oh you're looking for a straight answer not an I don't know answer.

You'll have to be more clear next time. I do not have the originals. No one does.

This question has an objective answer and you gave it, no. So there is no Hebrew book that dates back to the time of Ancient Egypt.

Funny, speaking of carbon-dating.... the peer-review-free, pseudo-scientists from the flat-earth community claim carbon-dating is a actually a sham.
In fact, the carbon dating process has undergone much refinement in recent years and is considered to be more reliable and accurate than ever.

But, 'the lord works in mysterious ways' usually covers for those thousands of inconsistencies, mistakes, and other idiosyncrasies that the bible overfloweth with.

Say, for example "pi=3" or God instructs us how to manage our slaves properly and advises what their market value should be or how one should kill their own children if they stray from God's way.

However, as they say in Sarah Palin's church:

We come against that python spirit. We come against that spirit of witchcraft as the body of Christ. Right now in the name of Jesus!
Ooooh-raba-saka-ta-la. Come on, pray, pray! Raba-sandalalala-
bebebebekalabebe. Shanda-la-bebebeka-lelebebe

Hmmmmm.

OH nothing like using someone else's reading of the bible to dictate false things. That's as talented as Christians that spread lies about atheist that they are emotional voids in thoughtless amoral bodies.

Egyptians don't have their first "writings" either.

Nice try, though.

"Egyptians don't have their first "writings" either. " What's your point? There may be no BOOKS, but there are certainly Hieorglyphics from that period.

But those were not the first.

Anyways you cannot be so sure that they are the first.

Meaning...you don't know which one was written first. Evidence isn't conclusive.

@hammywill, i think you should not bother. JJammer seems to me like a lost cause. he is stubborn and does not appreciate fact over fiction.

In other words you need to start speaking to people that will automatically agree with you.....because opposition hurts your feelings.

JJammer, i dont think feelings have been hurt, at least it doesnt seem that way with hammywill. Actually, i think he is kind of enjoying himself, though slightly frustrated by your arrogance. I cant actually speak for him, but i know that i definitely am entertained by your postings, in a sad way.

Ditto for the both of you.

It's not a one way street. You talk about arrogance and then you make that comment.

That's funny.

Much like mental illness, it's closest cousin.

@LPfmAAF,

I'm pretty sure the comparative religions education is all around in the U.S. But, as a student in a Texas public high school, I have never had a comparative religions class, recalling all the way back to Pre-Kindergarden. Which is quite a shame. I suppose one of the main reasons that I responded to this article is because it effects my education.

Please show me a Hebrew book going back that far.

As far as book I don't have one, where I found it was at the link I posted above, and here,

http://www.touregypt.net/amen.htm ;

"Amen (Amon) and Amen-Ra, King of the Gods, and the Triad of Thebes

Among the gods who were known to the Egyptians in very early times were Amen and his consort Ament, and their names are found in the Pyramid Texts, e.g., Unas, line 558, where they are mentioned immediately after the pair of gods Nau and Nen, and in connection with the twin Lion-gods Shu and Tefnut, who are described as the two gods who made their own bodies, and with the goddess Temt, the female counterpart of Tem. It is evident that even in the remote period of the Vth Dynasty Amen and Ament were numbered among the primeval gods, if not as gods in chief certainly as subsidiary forms of some of them, and from the fact that they are mentioned immediately after the deities of primeval matter, Nau and Nen, who we may consider to be the equivalents of the watery abyss from which all things sprang, and immediately before Temt and Shu and Tefnut, it would seem that the writers or editors of the Pyramid Texts assigned great antiquity to their existence. Of the attributes ascribed to Amen in the Ancient Empire nothing is known, but, if we accept the meaning "hidden" which is usually given to his name, we must conclude that he was the personification of the hidden and unknown creative power which was associated with the primeval abyss, gods in the creation of the world, and all that is in it. The word or root amen, certainly means "what is hidden," "what is not seen," "what cannot be seen," and the like, and this fact is proved by scores of examples which may be collected from texts of all periods. In hymns to Amen we often read that he is "hidden to his children, "and "hidden to gods and men," and it has been stated that these expressions only refer to the "hiding," i.e., "setting" of the sun each evening, and that they are only to be understood in a physical sense, and to mean nothing more than the disappearance of the god Amen from the sight of men at the close of day. Now, not only is the god himself said to be "hidden," but his name also is "hidden," and his form, or similitude, is said to be "unknown;" these statements show that "hidden," when applied to Amen, the great god, has reference to something more than the "sun which has disappeared below the horizon," and that it indicates the god who cannot be seen with the mortal eyes, and who is invisible, as well as inscrutable, to gods as well as men. In the times approaching the Ptolemaic period the name Amen appears to have been connected with the root men, "to abide, to be permanent;" and one of the attributes which were applied to him was that of eternal. Amen is represented in five forms: 1. As a man, when he is seen seated on a throne, and holding in one hand the scepter, and in the other the symbol of "life." In this form he is one of the nine deities who compose the company of the gods of Amen-Ra, the other eight being Ament, Nu, Nut, Hehui, Hehet, Kekui, Keket, and Hathor. 2. As a man with the head of a frog, whilst his female counterpart Ament has the head of a uraeus. 3. As a man with the head of a uraeus, whilst his female counterpart has the head of a cat. 4. As an ape. 5. As a lion couching upon a pedestal."

Now you can search that site and most likely a few more, and find out more. I have a low speed connection and haven't bothered.

All I'm really saying is the origin is subject to debate. Nothing against God, men are imperfect, translations get changed. And Christianity has intentionally chosen to observe holidays at the same time pagan holidays are taking place. So a lot of the man made religion of "Christianity" is up for debate. I'm not saying I have no faith in God, just little to no faith in man. The bible does warn to be cautious of those trying to lead you astray, I'm not saying that's the case with that word but I wonder. I realize the intent isn't evil.

Anyway, just food for thought... and I'm not following this anymore...

You crack me up. I love reading your posts!

I think the churches have it more than covered.
Do you support teaching historical context of the Koran, Talmud, Dharma Bum, LDS scriptures and Dianetics in school? If not, why not?

What does religion have to do with learning?

You should be concerned that it wasn't just right wings....duh.

Will they teach the Bible as MYTHOLOGY? If that is the case, I might agree with you.

The words origins could very well have been from Egypt, and therefore inherently pagan or evil. Um... the Hebrews really were slaves to Egyptian Pharaohs, and were indoctrinated into those beliefs as much as possible. There is no way to determine if the word was around before then, but it was first documented in Egyptian culture.... My point stands...

@spacemikey, please tell me an Egyptian book going back that far? I would like to know, I have a passion for learning history. Also, yes you are right, the Jews were slaves to the Egyptian but they had their own language, and food and fabrics. They did not speak Arabic,as the Egyptians, Amen is from the Hebrew language.

How would one present the bible in an UNbiased manner?

Chain the students to their desks and tape there eyelids open a la Clockwork Orange? Or maybe play tapes while they sleep starting at birth.

spacemikey
Much paganism in Christianity.
Moreover, much of the myth, virgin births, trinities, ascension, divine miracles, great floods, etc., are borrowed from half a dozen eastern religions that preceded Christianity.

Clockwork Orange.... I love that movie..... Yes Christianity has "ripped off" paganism on so many issues and holidays, I don't buy any of that organized religion. Still I hope there's a God b/c we'll never get all this shit sorted out alone....

Over dramatic....just like A Clockwork Orange.

What were all those democrats thinking?

JJ, WHAT Democrat?
The bill was sponsored by a republican in Pampa TX (Rep. Warren Chisum (R-Pampa), an ardent advocate of Religious Right causes)(src: http://www.au.org/)

BTW: Some Democrats (BlueDOG) can also be rightwing.

Oh yes....

see you coincided right there.

So it wasn't all right wing crazies. Democrats, no matter if they are blue dogs, can be right wing crazies.

Nice try.

Actually on the political scale right wing, left wing, centrist; Democrats fall on the left or left of center side, while Republicans fall on the right or right of center side. So in theory Democrats are not right wing nut jobs, they would be leftists or left wing nut jobs, but for the most part Democrats don't push a religious agenda. The religious fundamentalist who support such an agenda are not a constituency of the Democratic part. Hint: they all vote Republican. And so called Blue Dog Democrats are not right wing they are the centrist part of the party.

Republicans are on the crazy
side.

Democrats just give money to people to trade their cars in to get better more efficient cars....however the process in which they decided to do it was no even close to efficient and they have not paid the dealerships in full for what they have done. They just made up excuses.

California BURNS every year because democrats think it's wrong to do what is called a control burn. If they did that then there wouldn't be any need for the constant burns that they do get. But they are worried about the animals. The animals are not stupid like humans in LA or New Orleans. When there is a flood or fire they leave.

Democrats kill people with their fake kindness. That's what they do.

Republicans just kill people. What's your point?

That democrats are not better than ANYONE. hahahaha.......duh.

You won't get any argument from me on that point. The reverse is at least equally true.

The Federal laws and the Supreme court findings always supercede State laws. The State and the Teachers Union are taking a stance to see if there is a challenge. If you are for The Bible as a history book, the ACLJ has alot of information. Remember, the schools cant "promote" any religion, so this fine line can be the cause to ignore writing a comprehensive policy on use of it, also fears are if the Bible is used what other Books will be asked to be used in historic reference.

Equal time to the Bible, Quran and the Talmud, I guess. Don't forget the Church of Scientology and LDS.

Not so in every state, just some of the red states.

Not here: The state of Idaho has put the kibosh on a charter school that wanted to use the Bible as a textbook in their school.

The Idaho Public Charter School Commission told the Nampa Classical Academy today it can't use the Bible as a instructional text.

The commission released a memo stating that the Idaho Constitution "expressly" limits use of religious texts. Officials with the new Nampa charter school had planned to use the Bible and other religious texts as a primary source for instruction but not to teach religion.

Federal law and Supreme Court rulings supersede any state laws, The State {teachers Union} is taking a stance to see if it will be challenged. If you are for the history enrichments of the Bible in schools then the ACLJ is a good reference. Remember schools cant "promote" any religion. Sometimes its easier for the State to ignore than to write a comprehensive policy.

if anyone is willing to use the bible as history text or instructional book, then it should be mandatory to follow that with science involving evolution... so it really is left up to the children to decide what they will believe in. I look forward to an argument to that.

DITTO to another astute comment unimatrix0.