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Anti-abortion activist shot and killed outside a high school

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A 33-year-old man fatally shot an anti-abortion activist Friday outside a high school as horrified parents and students watched, authorities said. When police arrested him, the gunman said he was involved in the killing of a gravel pit owner earlier that day.

Officials found the body of Mike Fuoss, 61, in the office of his gravel production company, Sheriff George Braidwood said. Fuoss and the gunman knew each other.

Owosso Police Chief Michael Compeau said authorities did not know whether the suspect knew anti-abortion activist Jim Pouillon, 63, who was shot while protesting in the town about 70 miles northwest of Detroit.

Police declined to release the gunman's identity and no other injuries were reported. No motive was given for the shootings, but Compeau said he believed Pouillon appeared to be a target.

"I would speculate it was ... intended," Compeau said. "He was out protesting right across the street from the high school ... and there (were) multiple people around there and that person was targeted."

Students said Pouillon was a fixture outside the high school and regularly held graphic signs of aborted fetuses.

"I can see someone spitting on him or punching him, but shooting him is pretty stupid. It's not something you expect in Owosso," said 16-year-old Curtis Wisterman.

"There ain't no use in being in school when you can't concentrate," he said.

After the shooting all schools in the district were locked down, but opened up again after the suspect was arrested, said Julie Omer, business manager for Owosso Public Schools.

Troy Newman, president of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, said he wept when he received word that Pouillon, his friend and colleague, had been killed.

"He was just a kind, gentle man who loved life and endeavored to save other people's lives," Newman said...
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  • Cuddlebones
  • GoodGodGuy
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      GoodGodGuy  

    • Awesome Slarabee, someone brings some facts to life. Forgive the pun. But says it all. I still wish the media would be more responsible for what it reports instead of trying to goad people into more separatist arguments. Why are they not held responsible for reporting incorrect information?
      Hold the media's feet to the fire and keep things honest!!!!

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  

    • Very interesting situation there. Random or planned it is sad too see our civil society become not so civil. Hell we don't even know if the shooter was a liberal and hated the score that has been run up from the other side.

    • 2 years ago
  • evilliberalbastard
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      evilliberalbastard  
    • kennymotown:

      yeah but we need to think ahead violence is in our blood we try to stop "were all hitler inside were all christ inside"but we cant help it the best thing is to push the human race where both jihadist and soldier can lay down there weapons and say what the hell are we doing and focusing on peace

    • 2 years ago
  • evilliberalbastard
  • katiekrafka
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      katiekrafka  

    • why can't everyone just let everyone else live their lives?! why impose your beliefs on everyone? no one should die over things like this.

    • 2 years ago
  • kstein
  • AswegoAsdego
  • kstein
  • AswegoAsdego
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  

    • "i see someone spitting on him or punching him"

      really. REALLY? you think that's acceptable form of disagreement between freaking adults?

      sad story.

    • 2 years ago
  • EtVoila
  • kryssi51
  • kstein
  • Wordsmith
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      Wordsmith  

    • liberty:

      I don't cite Wikipedia as a source for anything simply because anyone can edit. Nothing personal.

      You said: "It should be hard to kill a baby. They should feel shame over the decision for the rest of their life."

      Say what you will. It's about control, retribution, and punishment for one party only. And I'm not interested in going around and around and around about this.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • Wordsmith:

      Wordsmith,

      Wikipedia isn't a good source for in depth reserach papers. It is a great source for a general overview on certain topics.

      Simply Google the Unborn Victims of Violence Act and you find plenty of references to US law. This seems to be a straw man you are building to deflect the true point which is you are wrong.

      Say what you will. It's not about control or retribution for one party. Especially since I'm not a member of that one party.

      You aren't interested in going round and round because your argument has been thoroughly dismantled and I provided United States laws that prove your theory wrong. I would want to stop going round and round also.

      The basic point: abortion is infanticide. I have no problems with you supporting the murder of babies. Just admit it for what it is rather than trying to dress it up behind some clever catch words.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wordsmith
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      Wordsmith  
    • Wordsmith:

      I'm not interested in going around & around because I have no intention of changing my mind on anything - regardless of what YOU say, and I doubt you'll change yours. Nor do I want to spend hour after hour on the computer.

      It matters little that you are not a member of "that one party" as I phrased. As far as I'm concerned it IS ALL about control.

    • 2 years ago
  • plusaf
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • plusaf:

      plusaf,

      It appears you have failed to comprehend or grasp the extremely simple logic behind my argument. Yes, natural complications must be taken into account. I could have a heart attack and die. That is a natural complication. A heart attack is not the same thing as you running me down with your car. Just like natural complications aren't the same thing as sucking a baby out of the womb with a vacuum. See the difference now?

    • 2 years ago
  • OnlyCheryl
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      OnlyCheryl  

    • Anti-abortionists are not pro-life. They care nothing about a baby after it's born. They are the first to snipe about teenage or single mothers. They do nothing to help once the unwanted child is born. Just a bunch of religious nutjobs.

    • 2 years ago
  • kstein
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      kstein  
    • OnlyCheryl:

      the leading adoption agencies and charities are the churches and if YOU cant do it alone then dont get preg! You dont want people to follow the teachings but then you want help later.

    • 2 years ago
  • mjseydel
  • nodonjuan
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      nodonjuan  

    • I really hate to say it but, I'm going to say it. We have lost enough Doctors and had enough clinics bombed that it's about time. Maybe they will understand what it's like to have a target on your ass. I have lost my compassion for these reproductive right terrorists.

    • 2 years ago
  • kstein
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      kstein  
    • nodonjuan:

      This man did not kill because of the abortion issue, he killed because of a mental defect, and to kill because of killing, what do want a war, we lost sooo many babies, lives, potential Drs. What the hell, to abort is one of the most selfish killings there is. Late term abortions are the most totureous murders. time to get the truth straight. Were did you even learn that nonsense your parents, public schools, public opinion? Shame on you, killing because of killing because of killing

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
  • libertyforall
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • maof4brats:

      Liberty- Embryos are cell bundles- at early stages of pregnancy, when most abortions are done, those cells are not specifically human or anything else, really. They could develop into anything (which is why embryonic stem cells are harvested.)

      You are certainly entitled to your opinion that embryos and fetuses constitute human life, but it is not a scientific fact nor everyone else's opinion. Furthermore the issue isn't just about when human life begins, it's about women's rights. Should embryos, who's personhood is legally debatable, have more rights than fully grown women have? Should the government force women to carry children to term against their will?

      I think many people dismiss the gravity of making that choice. No one should feel "shame for the rest of their life" about things in their past. Everyone is entitled to grow, forgive and love themselves no matter what they have done.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • maof4brats:

      #
      Delia,

      You are naming exceptions rather than the norm.

      When life scientifically begins is irrelevant. They could not develop into anything. It will develop into a human. The fact that fetus is 100% guaranteed to develop into a human makes it a human.

      Nobody has the right to commit murder. If you want to hide behind the "womens' rights" argument then be my guest. It is not legitimate one to make though.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • maof4brats:

      Also, it is worth mentioning that courts have charged people who kill pregnant mothers with double homicide. That means the courts consider the fetus to have legal rights. Which means it is a human.

    • 2 years ago
  • DeliaTheArtist
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      DeliaTheArtist  
    • maof4brats:

      I'm not "hiding behind" anything. I don't understand when you say I'm "naming exceptions and not the norm"- I don't think I gave any specific examples.

      "When life scientifically begins is irrelevant. They could not develop into anything. It will develop into a human."

      Yes, those cells can develop into anything. That's why there is so much controversy over embryonic stem cells. It seems to me you are saying that because it could develop into a human, it is human. But in most stem cell cases, the scientists were creating embryos with no intention of bringing them to full term- they will never develop into a human at all. No fetus is guaranteed 100% , there are a lot of things that can happen during pregnancy. I want to mention that I'm not trying to pursuade you away from your main opinion- you obviously think that embryos are human life and that's your choice to make.

      When it comes to the cases that you are talking about with double homicide, the woman was usually beyond the developmental embryonic stage. We legally and societally do consider a fetus a human at some point in development, which is why "late term" or "partial birth abortions" are usually illegal.

      You say the women's rights argument isn't "legitimate", but didn't explain why or answer my questions. Should women be legally forced by the government to carry a pregnancy to term against their will?

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • maof4brats:

      Delia,

      The legal precedent is charging everyone who murders a pregnant woman with double murder. That gives legal rights to the unborn human.

      Again, the cells would develop into a human. This is 100% guaranteed. It isn't going to develop into a monkey or cow or donkey. It will be a human.

      Yes, women should not be allowed to kill their unborn baby. If you don't want the baby then give it up for abortion. Simply because the fetus is an inconvenience to you, that doesn't mean it deserves to be murdered.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wordsmith
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      Wordsmith  
    • maof4brats:

      It should be hard to kill a baby. They should feel shame over the decision for the rest of their life.

      See - right there - it's about punishment; it's about retribution. I would consider this sick.

      As for charging someone with murder (double murder if a fetus) - it is NOT double murder if the fetus is unable to survive outside of the womb. Thus, a woman 4-6 months into a pregnancy wouldn't have this "option" available criminally. Viability is tricky depending, of course, the development of the fetus ..... 24 weeks and beyond, and of course - the longer in the womb, the greater the likelihood of viability.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • maof4brats:

      You consider it sick that I should want punishment for people who knowingly and willingly kill a baby? Seems to be twisted logic to me.

      You are also completely wrong. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act species that "a "child in utero" as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

      So once again, the law recognizes the fetus as a legal human.

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  

    • So I guess the man that was praised for killing Dr.Tiller is a HIPPOCRAT! Pro-LIFE my ass. The Pro-life zombies are the ones that shove religion down your stinking throats. I have been in clinics and help girls through the freaking gang of Pro Life creaps. Do you really think women do this on a wim. You are crazy. I have held girls and cried with them. I myself never was involved in a abortion but I did volunteer to help the girls that have to go through this procedure. It is her RITE! Nobody f ing else.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • maof4brats:

      maof4brats,

      I see you like to use a lot of blanket statements and generalizations that don't hold true in reality. I'm pro-life and I'm an atheist.

      Yes, women kill babies on a whim. Less than 3% of abortions are due to the health of the baby or mother. 97% are out of pure convenience. Those women should be crying because they just ended the life of an innocent human who did not have a chance to live.

      Sorry, killing a baby is not a right. You have a warped sense of what constitutes a "right."

    • 2 years ago
  • nodonjuan
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      nodonjuan  
    • maof4brats:

      liberty,

      If only it was that simple. Why would you want to force a woman to bring her baby full term when many of them are alcoholics, drug addicts or teens that may have been molested. Why bring these children into the world when life is hard enough? The government does as little as possible for kids who are up for adoption or in foster homes.

    • 2 years ago
  • kstein
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      kstein  
    • maof4brats:

      It most certianly is when WE THE TAXPAYERS HAVE TO CONTINUALLY PAY FOR THEM. maof 4brats, im a ma of 4 beautiful, moral, abstaining, school orientated , boys commiting themselfs to comminity service, {vol fire and police depts} knowing to respect women and NO kids untill there ready teenager. Its hard work but its doable

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  
    • maof4brats:

      And my kids are immoral because I have shown them that they can have their own views. If your daughter bacame pregnant at age 12 you would be pleased? I think not. You would probably hide her untill she delivers and then force the poor thing to give up the kid. It would not be my choice it is and hopefully always be a choice. And to the subject that we pay its planned parenthood that gets federal funding a little, just like churches don't pay taxes what the hell is that. The millions of dollars that could be made from churches or just stopping the killing of our boys and girls in war.NOW THAT IS KILLING!

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  

    • Wouldn't surprise me if the shooter was pro-abortion. Those who are pro-baby killing do not value life an innocent child's life. So why would they value the life of an adult.

    • 2 years ago
  • maizein
  • Wordsmith
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • libertyforall:

      Did I say I supported the people who bomb clincs, etc? I'm about supporting the innocent life of a baby.

      Wordssmith,

      You can create whatever convenient excuse that makes you feel better at night. You are killing a baby. The fetus is guaranteed to develop into a human (barring natural complications) so you are ending a human life. If you have no problems with that then fine. I do have a problem with it.

    • 2 years ago
  • Wordsmith
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      Wordsmith  
    • libertyforall:

      I understand the potential for a group of cells to develop into a wondrous creature. Framing it a as 'child', etc., is meant to demonize women and the reproductive issues they face. As a woman, I take severe issue with any male who wants to limit or control women while ignoring the obvious involvement of 'the male' who impregnated said women. I've had children. I have grandchildren.

    • 2 years ago
  • libertyforall
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      libertyforall  
    • libertyforall:

      I frame it as a human because that is what the fetus will develop into. Thus, it is a human. Even though pro-murder people like to frame it in other terms to justify the infanticide doesn't make it true.

      I don't care if you are a women. You still have no right to kill the baby. The baby has rights and thus you have no right to infringe on those rights. Especially through murder.

    • 2 years ago
  • BigJoeSixPack
  • maizein
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      maizein  

    • Just to make it clear: this is a guy that killed another guy he knew. Happens everyday.

      The victim being an anti-abortion activist probably had nothing to do with this crime.

      Remember folks, anti-abortion activists are the nuts that every now and then shoots and bombs pro-choice individuals, not the other way around.

      The killer probably does not even care about abortion, and just had a beef with the victim... they knew each other...

    • 2 years ago
  • katedarling
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      katedarling  

    • He shouldn't have been shot and killed.

      But I'm hesitant to see this as a pro-choice person killing a pro-life person over beliefs. The fact that he had shot someone earlier that day, and that he was going to kill someone else later that day, suggests that he didn't have personal reasons to kill these people. The targets themselves could have been random. But I suppose the shooter will have to give more information behind his intentions.

    • 2 years ago
  • PattyRosol
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      PattyRosol  

    • "I can see someone spitting on him or punching him, but shooting him is pretty stupid. It's not something you expect in Owosso," said 16-year-old Curtis Wisterman.

      "There ain't no use in being in school when you can't concentrate," he said.

      There "ain't no use being in school" if you haven't learned to speak properly by 16 either.

    • 2 years ago
  • carmalite
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      carmalite  

    • That poor crazy obsessive relgious nut did not deserve what happened to him. Everyone should chill out over the pro and the anti.

    • 2 years ago
  • slarabee
  • Wordsmith
  • slarabee
  • jubal
  • metalcookiesxy70
  • TheEmpireGuy
  • NeutronActivation
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      NeutronActivation  

    • "I can see someone spitting on him or punching him, but shooting him is pretty stupid. It's not something you expect in Owosso," said 16-year-old Curtis Wisterman.

      WOW! I sure like that kid's thinking.

      So if this was a pro-abortion based hit that makes it like 1 against the 9 reported anti-abortion based murders. This math shows that the Pro-abortion advocates need nine time more crazy nuts jobs attracted to their cause if they want to keep up.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Murders

    • 2 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  

    • the dude in front of a school with pictures of aborted fetus' is just crazy.

      Sounds like his shooting was not about abortion though.

    • 2 years ago
  • chuygarsia2
  • DougChristian
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      DougChristian  

    • Until the guy comes out an says he did it because of the abortion issue, this is just a story about someone snapping and going on a killing spree. Thankfully he didn't kill more people.

      If he did do it for abortion, it should be considered a hate crime. But stop trying to rile up anti-abortionists with BS stories unless you know they're true.

    • 2 years ago
  • biggranny
  • imp_print
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      imp_print  

    • How kind of a soul pickets a school holding up fetuses?
      Sounds like someone got him before he went nuts and murdered an abortion doctor.
      Hate breeds hate, sorry if your the one bitten by your spawn.

    • 2 years ago
  • kstein
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      kstein  
    • imp_print:

      kids are taught a hell of alot more than that in a public school. and now the United Nations wants 5 year old taught about masterbation and other sexual adult issues for the spreading of AIDS to stop, so a picture of a baby in the womb is nothing new or bad. They see killings and amputees and all kinds of sin

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
  • dondonyen
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      dondonyen  

    • wow first let me say that this is horrible and i do condemn the shooters actions.

      Secondly, it is hilarious to imagine all the dramatic one liners you could say to an anti abortion activist before you shoot him

    • 2 years ago
  • kstein
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      kstein  

    • Only God give us life in his timing and God takes it away, in his timing,for reasons unknown to us. the prolifers should understand this as much as it sucks.

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  

    • This story sounds familar. But just the oppisite as Dr. Tiller. Somebody beleives in "eye for an eye".WOW
      No body should be shot for what they believe but.Unless the person is trying to shove things down your throat.

    • 2 years ago
  • masterzip
  • PajamaDan
  • ocanada
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      ocanada  

    • Its sad, but this doesn't appear politically motivated. If it is, Its as I've said in the past, violence begats violence and crazies begat crazies. All of this ginned up hysteria on the right doesn't just increase the potential for violence from the right but from the fringes of the political left as well and that is the real reason why its dangerous because a cycle of violence especially politically motivated is the type that becomes an egregous and painfull open wound to our society. In the 1960's it claimed countless lives.

    • 2 years ago
  • rebelution07
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      rebelution07  

    • That's so sad. Usually, you hear about pro-choice activists being killed, no pro-life. Anyways, people need to be more tolerant these days.

    • 2 years ago
  • PajamaDan
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      PajamaDan  

    • Man,... Michigan, with all its problems,... is turning into a very scary place.
      Tensions run high,... and that translates into vicious behavior.

    • 2 years ago
  • kissyface
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      kissyface  

    • loud uninformed headlines make me sick. try investigating a little before you run off. The shooter had already shot a person, and probably went for the large easy target this guy provided by being out there. stop doing this stuff in front of school, anyway!

    • 2 years ago
  • CreditFigaro
  • blue_blooded
  • slarabee
  • kissyface
  • blue_blooded
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      blue_blooded  
    • slarabee:

      your right. the man has admitted that there none of this had anything to do with abortion. i guess he had other grudges against the 2 men he killed and the 3rd he was planning on killing later that same day.

    • 2 years ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  

    • Isn't it usually the other way around? Has there been any media hysteria on this killing of a person who is against abortion?

    • 2 years ago
  • carmalite
  • kstein
  • ashcatash
  • hcice
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      hcice  

    • jac1992, you seem to have it a bit backwards (at least the way I read your comment). It was the PRO-LIFER who got shot by the other man.

      This is a horrible way to decide to disagree with someones viewpoint.

    • 2 years ago
  • jac1992
  • jac1992
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      jac1992  

    • Taking the Pro life debate a bit far with this one. It is good to stay by your beliefs, but not if it means ending another person life

    • 2 years ago
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