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Woman who killed her children with rat poison has been found not guilty of murder

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A Sydney woman who killed her children with rat poison has been found not guilty of murder, but guilty of manslaughter.

The woman pleaded not guilty to murdering her children by reason of mental illness.
She gave her three-year-old daughter and four-year-old son rat poison before smothering them in February last year.

In letters written at the time she blamed her husband's affair for her actions and claimed to be protecting her children by taking their lives.

At her judge-only trial the prosecutor dismissed arguments by the woman's lawyers that her depression was so severe that it made her incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
But in finding her guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter, the judge ruled her actions were impaired by an abnormality of the mind.
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  • echoz
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      echoz  
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    • Who among you fears the Lord and obeys...? That person may walk in the dark and have no light...let him trust in the Lord and depend on his God. But instead some of you want to light your own fires and make your own light to guide you. But this is what you will receive from me: You will lie down in a place of pain...

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      Fairness has gone far away;
      goodness is nowhere to be found.
      We wait for the light, but there is only darkness now.
      We hope for a bright light, but all we have is darkness.
      We are like the blind feeling our way along a wall.
      We feel our way as if we had no eyes.
      In the brightness of day we trip as if it were night.
      We are like dead men among the strong.
      All of us growl like the bears.
      We call out sadly like the doves.
      We look for justice, but there isn't any.
      We want to be saved, but salvation is far away....

      We know we have turned against God...sinning and rejecting the Lord, turning away from our God, planning to hurt others and speaking lies.
      So we have driven away justice, and we have kept away from what is right.
      Truth is not spoken in the streets;
      what is honest is not allowed to enter the city.
      Truth cannot be found anywhere,
      and people who refuse to do evil are attacked.

      The Lord looked and could find not any justice,
      and He was displeased...

      –the ∞ of †®µ†h from Isaiah

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • echoz
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      echoz  
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    • incredible. where do you find all this stuff? and that was some great info too, Abe, thank you too! Men still the cake it seems, or is it as I thought I heard Mom' say, perhaps women just aren't getting their just due found "not guilty" because women are deliberately crazy when they intend to be. This takes effort. It takes concerted effort. Perhaps it was made easier by the possibility that her children's hearts were quite close to their father, as well. But don't we see these kinds of things in the wild too? Animals? Doing these very kinds of things? Like chimps??? ;) And don't the homosexuals always go back to justify their own (ahem) "behaviors" by similar natural incidence??? ;P lol Perhaps she used this as a defense!!! ;)~ lmao And voilà! It worked!!!

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • The facts are, a woman who researched the ways to kill her a 3 year old and a 4 year old children, and she decided to use rat poisoning to make her children bleed internally to death following by smothering them. We also know this woman killed her children because she believed that her husband has been unfaithful to her. This woman claims she was severe depressed to the point that she was incapable of distinguishing right from wrong. She in fact was capable to decide that her life was still worth living. I do not like to make a conclusion based only on a newspaper article. If the facts are as stated, I believe this these murders were premeditated and based purely on revenge. Why should anyone feel sorry for this cold-blooded murderer? I am sorry for the loss of two young children and I am sorry their father has to live with this horrible loss.

    • 2 years ago
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • MotherForTruth:

      Right on! She's still breathing, her children are not.
      Why would her life be worth more than her two children. It isn't she killed them without remorse and should pay for it by a life of institutionalization.

    • 2 years ago
  • Steward2
  • Abraham99
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      Abraham99  
    • I do not feel a drop of sorrow for her. I feel great sorrow for the lives those children could have lived.

      This "mother" should calm down and go to a resort to sip mango juice by the sea. She should have to write ten times on the board, "I will not kill my next two daughters," and then she should get it signed by her friends. After, she should drink some more juice, go to bed and go back home.
      Perhaps I am too mean and right wing.
      That is terrible punishment for her slip-up, but after the vacation to repair her mental illness, she should return home to a "Welcome Back" party.
      This woman has suffered enough. Time for her to go home, clean the blood and watch TV.

    • 2 years ago
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • It's ok, honey, we know you didn't mean to hurt your children. It was something chemically or hormonally wrong with you, not you. We'll get you treatment and help and then you can go back out into society and do as you please. Just promise you we'll continue your medications and psychiatric visits, ok?
      As for the babies your ex-husbands family buried them. And they are in a better place. You won't have to worry about them any more.
      And so she's free on a month worth of medication, an appointment with a psychiatrist and a promise to stay on her meds and see the doctor.............
      Murderers kill. Mentally ill people hurt themselves unless they have the pre-inclination to kill without the mental illness.
      This woman knew she'd live but her husband would be hurt for life if she killed his kids and not herself.
      Women that kill their kids and not themselves are murderers.
      I feel sorry for them but the facts remained she ended the life of two other Innocent people. She must be held accountable. She might be defective so what we give her the chance to repeat the said murders again? How do you know she's just not a deceptive liar?

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • QuestionGeek
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      QuestionGeek  
    • Uhh, next time try birth control or abortion???? Why kill your children with rat poison?

      And what kind of country is this? Kill your children, go free.

    • 2 years ago
  • Abraham99
  • Abraham99
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      Abraham99  
    • One day, when Congress decides to put in a few days of real work, they can brush away the dust and cobwebs from man yof the archaic no-longer-applicable- laws.
      Until then, people will do desperate things to skirt the law.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • Thanks to our judicial system and feminism that make public believe that women became so unstable and even infidelity of her husband can push a woman over the edge to brutally kill her baby.

    • 2 years ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • One would think that the husband would have picked up on signs of post partum psychosis after three years if that had been a problem. I'm not convinced that PPP had anything to do with this. I think perhaps the infidelity of the husband pushed this woman over the edge. I don't doubt her mental state but she should have been found guilty but mentally ill and locked up.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • As painful as it is the truth is mothers commit horrific crimes. I am sickened by the news of mother killing her newborn eating the baby's brain, or stabbing her children multiple times while they are asleep, or mother who killed her 20-month-old son by doping him to make him sleep, or the mother who gives her infant alcohol so baby sleeps and does not interfere with her day, or the mother drowns her children pushing them off the bridge, or the mother who dragged her child through a store on leash. All these are current crimes that are frequently suppressed by the media unlike the crimes committed by men. Highly publicized story of man and his wife who kidnapped 11 year old girl does not compare to any of the above stories.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • How many times has a man been murdered by his wife and it has been ruled a suicide based on only her testimony??

      Most men who do kill or abuse their children are not their biological fathers.

      How often are there multiple people involved in a murder, but one is let go because they blamed the other?? Often this happens when it is a male-female partnership the woman gets let off with a lighter sentence.

      This bibliography examines 246 scholarly investigations: 187 empirical studies and 59 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 237,750.
      http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

      Numbers vary based on who does the study and how it is carried out, but overall women are the majority of perpetrators in child abuse. The lowest number was just over 56%, but that was from child welfare statistics and there are many people who get accused of neglect/abuse without criminal prosecution and little to no evidence supporting the allegations.

    • 2 years ago
  • Abraham99
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      Abraham99  
    • Regjoeschmo...
      Here are the facts as recorded and reported by the FBI in 2005.
      Newer data is pending.
      According to the FBI Supplementary homicide reports 2005 these are the facts when it comes to murder in the U.S.:
      Male offenders for all homicides are 88.8%. Women: 11.2%.
      In instances where one intimate partner murders another, males commit 65.5% of these homicides, women: 29.2%.
      When children are the victims, it's men who murdered them 61.8% of the time, women: 38.2%.
      When elderly victims are killed, men commit 93.5% of these crimes- women: 6.5%. In cases of serial killing (multiple victims): men are the offenders 93.5% of the time, women: 6.5%. In instances where two or more offenders work together to commit a homicide men are the offenders 91.6% of the time, women: 8.4%.

    • 2 years ago
  • Abraham99
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      Abraham99  
    • Murder is not typical.
      A woman who kills is even more of a shock because most women would not do that; they have more compassion because the act of giving birth brings a woman to deeper emotions and connection to compassion than most men.
      HOWEVER< it is very rare indeed for a woman to murder her children.
      Nevertheless, when she does that she is a murderer.
      Society must punish her severely.
      PPP?
      Bipolar?
      Paranoid?
      Let's go to the physical. If she was blind in one eye, or if she once had her leg amputated, that is no excuse for her to commit murder.
      If she has PPP or if she is bipolar or if she is paranoid, those are also no excuse for her to commit murder.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • Abraham99:

      I believe this comment to be gender biased. Evidence shows women to be just as aggressive or more so than their male counterparts. Most child abuse comes from women, but yet it still is relative to the fact that more women have sole custody when parents are split. Even still child abuse by women is even more than child abuse by step-fathers or b/f's. Even with this being factual people still act as if the evidence was to the contrary......

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • PPP affects 1.5-2% of all women, and it encompasses a list of symptoms (almost 400). There is always major warning signs that precede a diagnosis of a psychosis, and in every case I have found there was self infliction before any of them turned it on their children.

      As I stated before there is plenty of warning signs and medical professionals are very tuned in to looking for them. Many severe cases come from less educated or more strict social environments. For example a third world country with minimal health care for new mothers or a society such as China's which tends to look on such issues as a matter of shame rather than a medical issue.

      Any medical professional will not even consider a psychosis diagnosis without ample supporting evidence. There are specific criteria for even forming a suggestion. None of this cannot be found within the article, or even a basic search for more information on this case.

      Why is there a sudden portrayal of shock when a mother does these types of things?? Is it so easy to ignore that women are the main perpetrators of abuse towards their own children?? Still when a father does something like this it is a call to arms to condemn the man...... IMHO the punishment should fit the crime regardless of gender.

    • 2 years ago
  • Abraham99
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      Abraham99  
    • Bipolar is no tricky way out to explain or excuse murder. Millions, not thousands, but, MILLIONS of Americans have bipolar issues and they do not feed their children or any one else rat poison.
      Don't give me this bipolar crap.
      She murdered her children.
      Wake up!
      She's a murderer.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • Vierotchka, here in US no family member can force a person to get treatment. This is especially disturbing when family member has mental illness. The only exception is immediate danger. Even then violent person may not be hospitalized.
      Many women are diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, Bi-Polar and many seek treatment.
      Women almost always avoid long prison sentence even for murder.
      Why should the violent women be excused for their crimes?

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • J_Jammer
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    • Vierotchka:

      No it does not.

      It leads people to suicide. But it does not lead to killing anyone. Murder is really a vile thing and if one allows themselves to murder someone for any reason the are guilty of murder. How they should be treated, though, is a totally different matter.

      I don't think that the punishment should ignore the problem, but the title should exist. She MURDERED her children.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I agree with Vierotchka on this, people need to become more informed about mental illness. As tragic as this case is, you gotta be crazy to kill your kids.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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    • jubal:

      protect those that kill children with mental illness as a justification...but get all pissy if the government does something and then justify it with crack pot conspiracy theory.

      You two make big deals of far more trivial matters....and yet this is something you defend.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jubal:

      I didn't say to protect people who do these heinous crimes. I find them repulsive and sadistic.

      If the woman had had a long history of torturing and beating her kids and demonstrated years of malice that culminated in a rat poisoning, then I would say lock her away for life. But there is nothing to suggest that she behaved this way.

      She obviously is crazy. Who but someone who is crazy would kill their kids that they love?

      If she is crazy then she needs to get help. But she shouldn't be allowed to be a mother anymore. I don't know, its a tough call. None of us will ever know the real truth unless we have walked in her shoes for even just one day and were privy to her private thoughts.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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    • jubal:

      Even those who do have bipolar do not understand what she goes through. Just because one shares something similar as this...doesn't mean they get what she's going through. What she should do is take medication and if she didn't take them then she is responsible for what she has done no matter how insane she was/is will be.....

      I don't think she deserves punishment like other people....for her illness should be taken into account, but she shouldn't get off easily for being crazy.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • J_Jammer
  • maof4brats
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • maof4brats:

      Postpartum Psychosis can last that long. As I stated before, most women who suffer from Postpartum Psychosis also suffer from bipolar disorder which is one of the most severe forms of mental illness and frequently involves violence and even killing. I am amazed by how many people posting here are so ignorant about mental illnesses.

    • 2 years ago
  • medinasoul
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      medinasoul  
    • no.. harming or killing children is one of the lowest human responses... or justifying someone who not only kills children but kills THEIR OWN children... fuck that.. admit she is wrong.. quit making excuses for her!!

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  
    • Rat poison is in alot of medications like the main one is Coumadin or it's called Wafrin it is a blood thinner they give it to people with blood clots and heart problems. What this baby went through was he bled to death internaly. Poor baby.

    • 2 years ago
  • medinasoul
  • medinasoul
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      medinasoul  
    • i agree except in the case of killing or harming or raping children.. then i think all bets are off and those children deserve some AVENGING on their part...

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Abraham99
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      Abraham99  
    • I wonder if the "judge" considered how the stomach aches of those 3 and 4 year old children felt, until they were completely murdered.
      Now she can go to jail for a few years, get out, move to a new city, change her name, move to a new country and meet a great guy, have children, buy rat poison and get back to work on her new children.
      Coming soon to a court near you.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • The sentence should be Guilty of first degree murder, guilty on all counts; and insane. Put her away with no chance of parole. or as someone else mentioned stick a needle in her arm.
      Mothers and fathers that can do something heinous like this to their child(ren) are not worthy of life. Children trust their parents. How awful for children with parents like this.

    • 2 years ago
  • medinasoul
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      medinasoul  
    • nursediesel:

      totally in agreement nurse... like i said i oppose the death penalty across the board... but when it comes to crimes against children.. rape murder whatever... i think the death penalty is the only option... those poor kids.. my heart breaks every time i hear that stuff... i like cant even imagine what goes through those poor kids heads... damn...

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • nursediesel:

      Vierotchka, It does not mention PPP or PPD in the article. Her children were preschoolers so she may have been 'stuck' at home with them.
      It is her lawyer that mentions the depression and nowhere in the article does it verify it as a diagnosis.
      Having suffered PPD I could never have imagined ever harming my baby. I think it has to do with a lot of factors and we don't have the whole story.
      Never the less she killed her children and for what ever reason should be held accountable for their deaths.
      She should be treated with meds and therapy but should spend her life in an institution. She's a killer.
      She should have not have taken her anger for her husband out her sweet innocent children.
      If you have little ones look at them and try to imagine even thinking about hurting them. No matter how bad my deppression got I could NOT hurt anyone let alone my baby.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • nursediesel:

      Just because the article doesn't mention it doesn't mean that she doesn't suffer of it. Postpartum depression is one thing, Postpartum Psychosis is a totally different and extremely serious thing.

    • 2 years ago
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • nursediesel:

      And bipolar does not cause one to commit murder. Some bipolar patients can have schizoid episodes but still does not cause one to kill...There has to be other mental problems to indicate murder.
      When someone kills and they get off for 'mental'reasons how an earth are you going to keep them on meds to not do it again? Even if you give a pill to someone, watch them take it and swallow with water I can tell you patients can pocket the pill and hide it, and that's in the facility. So how can you be sure they won't do it again. and again...
      Why can you feel sorry for these murderers and no sorrow for their vicims and allow them to have more victims.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • Vierotchka
  • J_Jammer
  • nursediesel
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      nursediesel  
    • nursediesel:

      Vierotcka, If you know anything about psychiatry you know it is fluid and dynamic. None of the diagnosis are distinct. Patients often defy their 'diagnosis. And it is hard to determine when some one is truthful and when they are just a pathological liar.
      Even psychologists, psychiatrists and psych care teams argue about diagnosis and know it is hard to put an exact label on someone and know it covers that patient's condition.
      It is not a definitive science, it's not tangible nor is it palpable. So you can site multiple articles and texts and I can site others dispelling yours.
      Your sites mentioned are on cases the legal system found the perpetrator to be such and such. They are ruling and can be used a reference in similar trials but it still does not make it the truth.
      No one except the killer knows what was going on in his/her head and even then he/she could have convinced him/herself he/she was doing something because of an illness to relive him/her of his/her guilt, how can you prove otherwise.
      All the debating we are doing is not going to bring back her poisoned and suffocated children, nor change the fact that her eventual freedom will not see her do it again.

    • 2 years ago
  • medinasoul
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      medinasoul  
    • so we're now making excuses for women who kill their children?! thats what this world has come to?! i dont care if she had PPD or not... SHE KILLED HER INNOCENT CHILDREN!! its her own fault for not getting it treated...

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • medinasoul:

      Nobody is making excuses, I was simply explaining the high likelihood of Postpartum Psychosis (and NOT PPD) in this particular case. If she indeed has bipolar disorder and Postpartum Psychosis, it is not her fault for not getting treated. You are obviously totally ignorant about mental illnesses.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • medinasoul:

      Psychosis can drive a person to seek and carry out violent revenge for an imagined offense. You obviously know and understand nothing about psychoses and other mental illnesses.

    • 2 years ago
  • nata0204
  • kstein
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      kstein  
    • Oh the effects of a broken relationships, I think the father is just as guilty! He didnt think how his actions would affect anyone else including his children. When I got divorced about 24 years ago, we were both court orders on moral issues concerning the children including no neg. speech or actions agianst the others. Now they dont include it in the judges orders anymore and whats in the best interest of the child has become obsolete.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • kstein:

      so its ok to kill the children because she was cheated on!?? ridiculous..... Im all for taking the high road when it comes to separation/divorce, but there are far more better options when faced with infidelity than murdering your children.....

    • 2 years ago
  • sidewaysclyde
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      sidewaysclyde  
    • kstein:

      How is the father as guilty as the mother? She gave them rat poison and smothered them with pillows...

      I understand that the father should have perhaps attempted to reconcile any horrible disagreement or situation, but I do not agree that her decision to kill the children had anything to do with her decision to kill her own kids.

      She gave her children rat poison.

      Children...rat poison...

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • Steward2
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      Steward2  
    • Very sad story and even sadder is how the children passed from this world.
      It use to Make one wonder who created the Double standard for justice and gender wars btwn woman and man,,,from this maybe it's apparent /obvious that it's the courts that perform,act on it,,as reported >At her judge-only trial

    • 2 years ago
  • maof4brats
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      maof4brats [removed]  
    • They truly unable to think rite, I have seen mostly the women come in and they usually hurt themselves before they hurt the child but in some extreme cases I have seen abuse of the child,how sad.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • The persons suffering from postpartum psychosis are the last persons able to get help for their condition, it is not their responsibility. It is a severe mental condition in which the person is incapable of seeking help, or even realizing that they need help. Might as well ask a schizophrenic person to seek help while going through a severe psychotic episode.

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • Vierotchka:

      Vierotchka,
      I haven't seen any references to post partum psychosis lasting many years. It's current clinical outline states it can be effectively treated very quickly and effectively. I imagine it's possible that untreated PPP in some may go undetected if the subject is extremely socially isolated but that doesn't seem the case in this incident. Also, the woman in this case cites her husbands infidelity, not an uncommon pattern in three recent child murders by mothers.
      Although neither of us know this case in its real particulars, since the children were three and four years old, I'd venture that narcisstic rage /personality disorder, rather than post-partum depression, would likely be closer to the mark.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Vierotchka:

      Most patients with postpartum psychosis have bipolar disorder, and the postpartum psychosis compounds the bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder lasts for years, often for life, and when untreated, the killing of one's children can easily occur.

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • Vierotchka:

      Well, I hope not "easily."
      However, having seen a self-propelled and paranoid mother with bi-polar disorder up close, I can testify to the long term continuing damage they can do.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • Vierotchka:

      is there evidence that either of these situations are contributing factors in these cases?? Its way too easy to just claim they have some underlying mental illness, but still there are plenty of people to intercede if it was the case. To say that PPD is not discernable to the people who suffer from it, then why do they inform pregnant women of it?? Comparing it to schizophrenia is like apples and oranges. schizophrenics have portions of their brains that slowly degrade with time, these are chemical imbalances.

      To argue that any crime committed could be blamed on a mental illness would give a free reign to any criminal to just claim they have "underlying issues" and should not be punished for their crimes. If there were actual penalties for these actions, it would deter people from doing this in the future. People need to be held responsible for their actions.....

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Vierotchka:

      I was not referring to Postpartum Disorder, I was referring to Postpartum Psychosis, a totally different and extremely severe condition, especially when coupled with Bipolar Disorder. Postpartum Psychosis is a psychosis, schizophrenia is also a psychosis, so my comparison is perfectly pertinent and logical.

      By definition, criminals are mentally ill.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • Vierotchka:

      This is a far cry from being a psychosis. She outright blamed her actions on her feelings based on her husband's affair. Having a reason for it pretty much derails the psychosis theory as she would not have been able to relate the two if she was actually suffering from such a disorder. The actions of poisoning the children and then smothering them would have been construed as a planned event in most criminal cases as there were steps that led to the final outcome.

      It still is a big leap to just assume that there is even a psychosis involved without proper evidence.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Vierotchka:

      I disagree. It does show psychotic tendencies and hallucinations (husband's infidelity - pathological jealousy often accompanies bipolar and psychoses). I think you have little to no knowledge and understanding of mental diseases.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • Vierotchka:

      no, it just seems like you are jumping to conclusions rather than letting her take responsibility for her actions. When it comes to psychosis, there are many factors that determine diagnosis, and you do not have the information to make any pertinent diagnosis.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • Vierotchka:

      When a woman commits violent crime she is mentally ill and put on some drugs instead of prison. A man would be deemed violent and sent to prison for life. Does mental illness affect only women?

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • vierotch says:

      Yes - the effects of untreated postpartum psychosis can last for many years

      It is imperative to understand that it is ones responsibility to get the help one needs, this is the reason for the education of PPD. To relinquish ones responsibility of their own actions based on a proposed diagnosis is only giving others a free excuse to do the same.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • seeing how there were individual responses pertaining to PPD in this thread rather than posting it as an original comment ill just post it here so everyone gets a "response"

      three and four year olds and you bring in post partum depression?? I do believe that in these few years there has been ample information for this woman to reach out and receive the help she needed if she in fact did suffer from post partum depression. Personally, it seems that after so long the chemical imbalances caused by pregnancy that would induce PPD would have been gone or in the least minimal.

    • 2 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
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    • Can someone please tell me why there is little to no punishment for these women who kill their children?? How is it not their fault?? There are plenty of other options available......

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • regjoeschmo
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      regjoeschmo  
    • regjoeschmo:

      three and four year olds and you bring in post partum depression?? I do believe that in these few years there has been ample information for this woman to reach out and receive the help she needed if she in fact did suffer from post partum depression. Personally, it seems that after so long the chemical imbalances caused by pregnancy that would induce PPD would have been gone or in the least minimal.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Vivek_Nanda
  • Vierotchka
  • pjacobs51
  • Vierotchka
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • In my opinion anyone who kills a child deserves to die for it! while I am in general opposed to the death penality in most cases stuff like this gives me pause to re-think my position!

    • 2 years ago
  • Sara_Maughan
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      Sara_Maughan  
    • Weird how that works. If that had of been the father of the children he would be getting the death sentence. Amazing how we are so free..

      HAHAHA and protecting your children... BY KILLING THEM?!?! Is that not the most oxymoron thing you have ever heard?

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • medinasoul
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      medinasoul  
    • youknow i gotta say this...i staunchly oppose the death penalty... but when it comes to children... thats the one time i think it SHOULD be implimented.. just disgusting!!

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • jubal
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