Thousands protest Obama's health care plan at the U.S. Capitol

zing!

Wonder where Obama got all those campaign money. Surely not just from citizens.

We know who didn't pay for those roads....Democrats. Seems like all the tax cheats in the government are on the left. Surprise!!!

oh shit impissing myself laughing, thanx for that

Looks like you've been guzzling down that Obama KoolAde- now you're becoming delusional!

Listening to that speech was not anything but the same.

NO I'm right and you're wrong...but let me elaborate for 45 minutes.

Sigh and yawn.

whitty whitty lol

Exactly why I made that thread asking people what is ok to complain about Obama and how...to do it.

Because people like you claim it's ok but when it's done you justify stating how stupid they are with NOTHING but speculation. You're no better than who you're complaining about because you got your information from a bias source that is willing to make them look stupid just to make Obama look better.

It is speculation.

How is it not? You talked to millions?

Corporate shills telling them to be angry? Think, man! That line of BS has been used to dismiss these protesters ad nauseum. These are middle class folks excercising their free speech rights. Why is that viewed as a threat? It's not "agreeing to disagree"- it's trying to silence and dismiss the opposition- marginalizing these protesters as "corporate shills" shows the left has absolutely no interest in a free exchange of ideas. "I believe in tolerance and diversity- but disagree with me, you're a bigot/homophobe........"

Tell me why if they don't want Obama is offering that they don't want to alter health care to make it better?

ooh...wait...you didn't think of that?

More incoherence from the j_stammer... hooray...

Mark, another poll... a nationally run one, like an election would be very nice right about now...

It is interesting how it has been forgotten that both serious contestants in the national elections last year felt it necessary to include health care reform in their policies to even be able to compete with each other... Obama set the precedence, and McCain nearly lost his shirt because he was so slow in developing a plan as well...

It is also interesting that the voters were so upset about McCain not having a plan at the time, and now are upset that someone is actually trying to implement a plan... which has borrowed huge amounts of policy from McCain's plan because it made sense I might add.

This is all incredibly crazy... just really really really crazy.

Many, no matter what you state, did not like McCain and were not happy he was picked.

HOWEVER, they are at fault for not voting. They did not come out in "droves" like those that voted for Obama.

Now they feel as if they should speak out.

So stating that it has a stamp of approval by an old republican doesn't mean that it should be liked by others. That's like stating a shouter of "YOU LIE" speaks for all.

Your one for all attitude as if it is truly a great concept to apply to everything is really just Bravo smart.

Once again, you make no sense, 61.6 percent of the nation voted, it is the largest turn out in forty years by percentage, and the largest number of voters ever

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/15/politics/main4670319.shtml

Not 90 or 95%?

Don't really care.

well that bout sums it up for you doesn't it Jammer? You "Dont realy Care" do you? Least of all about any kind of truth other than your own.

The fact that 65% is considered good for an election is pretty darn sad.

The fact that that leaves 35% (not including the illegals that voted illegally---didn't they?) who did not vote and those that did vote voting AGAINST the other so that Obama or McCain wouldn't become President....there's a lot of factors that just worked into this.

You're assuming we can trust Obama to do what he says he will do, a pretty big assumption if you ask me.

Really JohnA... you can read the bill, it states very clearly what will happen, the only thing Obama can do is sign what is passed by congress.

JJ, the clown and you provide so many face to palm moments it is unreal.

So clearly that Obama has difficulty explaining it in a 45 minute speech that was suppose to help.

You are as bright as your avatar.

It's so unreal.

You mean I think his speech was crapy, boring and stupid and that doesn't agree with someone you hate?

Oh...pity me.

I love how your arguments always disintegrate and you completely abandon your original statements, but stick out the attack... its ummm... special, and not in a precious way...

You just used someone who you don't like or never back as proof that you are right.

There is a joke in there somewhere...isn't there? Why yes...you will go to any means to be right and think that I think Bill is some sort of smart person that I'd just agree with him.

The speech sucked. It didn't explain much. No matter who says it did. I can say it didn't.

Doh... even the people I hate have come around to agree with me, my argument is doomed and is invalid now... WTF...

/palm to forehead

Now you're all the sudden wrong.

Your point is? What may have been thought applicable in Irag is somehow relevant here i.e. - you think one shoe fits all?

Thanks--that is wild!

what debates? the ones on current or.....??

hmm good point, I posted this in response to the rhetoric that was floating around current, and the media.

I do not remember hearing Bush called a fascist... but if he was, that/those person(s) was/were equally as ignorant.

They were or are you trying to save face for what is called repeat in political history just to seem even handed?

You could have just stated that anyone who said that was wrong...instead of subtly denying it and calling the person who said it a liar at the same time.

"I don't remember that" is unnecessary in the reply if it truly was wrong to state. Whether or not it's true that there were people that did it...the statement can be judged by itself as wrong or right.

Hmm, a quick Google search returned only 183,000 results for "Bush Fascist" and the only prominent name that appeared is Bill Mahr... whom is not well respected... I mean, the man dated Ann Coulter for crying out loud... makes me quiver in disgust... the equally as ignorant remark I made definitely stands for Bill Mahr.

Google search for "Obama fascist" ... 3,510,00

Hmm, so who is trying to save face? I never heard anyone call Bush a fascist... it is pretty evident that I do not remember it because I did not hear it... the comparison makes as much sense for Bush as it does for Obama... which is absolutely none.

Keep up with the mindless accusations and belly aching j_stammer... I would have figured you noticed that I do not make baseless remarks by now... but you do continually amaze me soooo..... I guess I am not surprised.

ONOSE

who is the internet President? Who is the technologically awesome President?

The news stated Obama.

And so of course he'd have more---plus he is, after all, current.

News organizations leave all articles online... and the news has nothing to do with which politician is more proficient with technology, especially when it has to do with them being slandered...

you always fail to say anything relevant, why is that?

The average undereducated American does not know that Democracy is a system of goverening and capitalism is an economic system. They think that capitalism can not exist without Democracy. And they do not realize that some of the most Socialistic countries like the Scandanavian ones are more democratic that the USA.

They do not know the definition of Fascism, Communism, or Socialism.

Oh yes that's a great defense....PEOPLE DON'T know.....lame.

I deny the internet search as proof because it doesn't mean much who has more numbers on google. The fact of the matter is he was called that as well as Obama was.

The fact that Obama is called it more should be scary for many reasons....maybe not that it might be factual, though.

carma,

I figure so. I had so many convos with different people, and while this isn't enough to say americans can't define those words, I still suspect that americans have no idea between the 3 ideologies and how they are applied in the real world.

I should ask people to define capitalism while we're at it.

Go get a job and you can have all that stuff too.

What happened, G-man? You're starting to sound like a hippy peacenik who feels threatened by people excercising their free speech rights! This is what is called Patriotism- and the highest form of patriotism is dissent. Perhaps these folks don't want Socialism. Perhaps these folks don't want their money used to promote policies they find morally reprehensible. Perhaps these folks believe that standing up for what they believe is acceptable.

A little too long and rather cheesy with the original "candy man" background vocals so easily heard. It's also several months out of date. On the plus side, it's somewhat clever and the guy has a nice singing voice!

At times we need to take a deep breath, have a good laugh...even if it is at ourselves.

There certainly isn't enough liberal's bashing Republicans. Must have more.

wonder if your presidents audience was vetted prior to his speech

Clownpuncher: Did you mean to say: I wonder if your president's audience was vetted prior to his speech?" Notice the punctuation.

To answer your question, no, the event was open to any and all who cared to attend.

Thanks for linking us to the Liberal Lynch Mob media.

wow, right wing repubs are so mean..

You are welcome JJ. However, if you want to be egalitarian, see what wiki has to say about the tea party patriots and about TR Reid who wrote about US Healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_party_protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.R._Reid

The moment someone wants to blame someone else....it's not as if they are out to share the truth.

huffington post is nothing more than acorn on steroids

And just what would we expect to see at the huffingPAINTpost. More DNC propaganda

I know- nothing strikes more fear into a leftist's heart than people excercising their right to free speech! Sickening!

Obama also said he wouldn't sign legislation loaded with earmarks. He also said that if the stimulus bill was passed immediately that unemployment wouldn't rise above 8%. He also said that if you want to understand his policies, look at who he surrounds himself with in the White House. And you still trust this guy?

You point out exactly why the fiscal conservatives have such an issue with Obama's plan. Any average, common sense American knows that you cannot possibly extend health care coverage to an additional 47 million people (or whatever the fabricated number is this week) and reduce costs. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. That's is where Obama is lying and you cannot honestly deny that. The only way to reduce costs is to reduce care (ration) or reduce wages to those employed in the system (redistribution of wealth).

Sounds a little far fetched and socialism-esque to me.

If you listen to Obama speak about how he'll revamp the current corrupt system and pay for 2/3s of the cost of the new plan with reform alone and pay for the other 1/3 with taxes to the rich, you'll see how reasonable it all sounds. Yeah I trust him way more than any wing nut who cries socialism and Hitler. You have absolutely no credibility with anyone except for a few toothless Appalachian hillbillies of no consequence.

Not only does he makes sense. but his supporters are doctors and people of intelligence around the country. Obama's only misgiving is his persistence upon compromise with Republicans, who have no plan. thinking people can see that a single payer system would be best, and has proven to be so in countries around the world.

Get educated.

"You point out exactly why the fiscal conservatives have such an issue with Obama's plan. Any average, common sense American knows that you cannot possibly extend health care coverage to an additional 47 million people (or whatever the fabricated number is this week) and reduce costs. IT CANNOT HAPPEN. That's is where Obama is lying and you cannot honestly deny that. The only way to reduce costs is to reduce care (ration) or reduce wages to those employed in the system (redistribution of wealth)."

Um, yes you can. European countries have been providing full health care coverage to their citizens at a reduced cost per person than we have here in the United States for decades. It has nothing to do with reducing needed care or reducing wages. It has to do with reducing spending on frivolous crap that people don't really need, avoiding overly expensive treatment that is no more effective that a cheaper one, and practicing preventive medicine.

jon...
There have been hundreds of plans and amendments proposed by Republicans that have been flat out swept off the table by Democrats. Sounds like someone needs to do a little homework before opening their mouth. The 2/3 portion you're talking about comes from $500 billion in cuts from Medicare. You're telling me that care won't be compromised coverage to achieve that type of savings? You're telling me that the same adminstration who screwed up the stimulus bill and cash for clunkers should be trusted to all the sudden become efficient and reduce waste? Please... Quit believing everything Obama says and be a responsible, self-informing citizen who responds on fact, not pure emotion.

Varex...
Compare the healthcare available to Americans to the healthcare available to the Europeans you're referring to, and tell me who has a better sytem. I'm not disagreeing that insurance reform is necessary, but a government take over is the last thing Americans should want after seeing how inefficiently they run everything else.

bc...
The protests are against a government take over and a radical agenda. They are against what Obama says he wants to do with healthcare and has already done with banks, autos, etc. You don't need a specific plan to protest his beliefs.

Who has the better system? I'd say that many of the countries with universal health care have a better health care system than we do. Not only do people who live in countries with universal health care pay less than we do, and yes that includes the taxes that fund it, but they don't get stuck with outrageous hospital bills because their insurance didn't mesh with the hospital they went to when they got into a car accident.

how apropo

hmmm have you considered finishing high school?

Hmmm....neocongo- why do you feel threatened by citizens excercising their rights to free speech?

Reason why I asked what one can say about him that wouldn't get that kind of comment.

Of course generic responses of "be factual" came up. But then they'd tack on a nonfactual slight against a political side they don't like.

Which just goes to show there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. They are like that one episode of the Original Star Trek Series where the black and white faced aliens were fighting against the white and black face aliens just because they did not look the same.

This, then, makes Obama no different than Bush.

So far I believe that to be true.

Our current President is not brilliant. Nor was our most recent one. People protesting in america is something called freedom. Who are you, or anyone for that matter, the judge on what reasons are stupid or worthy.

The ability to protest in the United States is a freedom. Protesting in itself is not. And protesting something because people are scared of it because they do not understand it is stupid. Many of these people have little or no clue what they truly are protesting, they are just following mindless political habit. Betsy McCaughey showed that she was an idiot and a lair about a subject that she had been against for years on a comedy talk show. Sure, it was and is her right to choose to protest it, but that doesn't make her any smarter or less of an idiot.