Community | September 15, 2009 | 47 comments

The DEA is in Afghanistan !

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Thats right, the War on Drugs just went Global !
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  • jubal
  • jswiz
  • swa11ow
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      swa11ow  
    • We old timers from the '80s remember when we got bricks of Afghani hash stamped with the symbol of two crossed AK-47s and the legend "Smoke the Soviets Out." It was truly ironic propaganda. The hash had been processed/imported to the states by any number of US intelligence agencies (CIA, NSA, etc, etc.). The proceeds of which were used to support the Mujahidin. Those were the days.

    • 2 years ago
  • DreSandoval
  • Jjjjason7
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      Jjjjason7  
    • and why is none of that hash around here? I have made my own and it is expensive! I dont see the problem for america here? I CANT FIND ANY HASH ; )

    • 2 years ago
  • Jjjjason7
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      Jjjjason7  
    • If im not mistaken opium production in Afghanistan has gone up drastically since we have been there. Any I like the Turkish pods better.

    • 2 years ago
  • sffsmessiah
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      sffsmessiah  
    • that sucks. the only thing better than weed is hash. except lsd. and ecstasy. and coke. damn you paternalistic global mentality!

      i guess now we just have to be slaves without any fun breaks. :(

      DEA SUCKS

    • 2 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  
    • yet another thing we SHOULD be protesting rather than wasting our time screaming about reforming healthcare insurance to protect people.

    • 2 years ago
  • hollyMiamiFla
  • MilchMann
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      MilchMann  
    • "Thats right, the War on Drugs just went Global !"

      Voted down for that really stupid assertion. The DEA has been in Mexico and South America for at least the last two decades... last time I checked we did not own either.

    • 2 years ago
  • DreSandoval
  • spacemikey
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      spacemikey [removed]  
    • Yep, and they've been in central and south America for years... And although I haven't seen any documentation or articles, I have every other reason to believe they were in Vietnam....

    • 2 years ago
  • extblues
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      extblues  
    • spacemikey:

      It's not like it was a closely guarded secret. Most DEA agents (...like their cousins at the FBI) mostly operated out of their respective embassies in purely advisory capacities teaching local law-enforcement in modern drug eradication/interdiction techniques.

      Of course, this came with a bonus supply of helicopters, small-arms, and paramilitary small-unit tactics/CQB training as well.

    • 2 years ago
  • jon_foshee
  • hunzedog
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      hunzedog  
    • jon_foshee:

      i thought that Bayer synthesized opium to begin with, to create Heroin so they could pattent it. its quite possible that they are doing this to finally corner the market.
      no competition for bayer makes government mandated opiods very lucrative. they want to be the only dealer on the block.

    • 2 years ago
  • NeutronActivation
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      NeutronActivation  
    • This is just a dog and pony show for congress it isn't going to be as effective as the Taliban was at controlling the drug problem in 2000. While they did tolerate and profit from the drug trade for 6 years when they called for a ban they got 91% compliance in one year! Keep in mind neither Clinton or Bush could reduce demand in any meaningful way during their 8 years in office. (apparently execution is a potent form of rehab)

      Like I said the funny part is drug trade was brought under controlled by the Taliban. Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar declared that growing poppies was un-Islamic (on July 2000) resulting in one of the world's most successful anti-drug campaigns. As a result of this ban, opium poppy cultivation was reduced by 91% from the previous year's estimate of 82,172 hectares. The ban was so effective that Helmand Province, which had accounted for more than half of this area, recorded no poppy cultivation during the 2001 season.

      When the Taliban fell it lead to the collapse of the economy. The scarcity of other sources of revenue forced many of the country's farmers to resort back to growing opium for export.

      There have been assertions that opium production is protected by the government of Hamid Karzai as well as by the Taliban as it is the only export crop they have of value.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/magazine/27AFGHAN-t.html?_r=1&hp

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • transfire
  • fatmonkey85
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      fatmonkey85  
    • So what are these people going to do for money now then? Somehow I dont think that the afghan government are going to fork out enough dole money to feed all those familys!

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • delas78
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      delas78  
    • It blows my mind that people are driven to violence over government spending (ie healthcare). Yet how many billions of dollars are being wasted on programs like this?

      I'm all for less taxes/government/spending. And these teabaggers claim the same, but it seems all most of them do is complain about Obama. If they were ACTUALLY protesting goverment spending, programs like this would be front and center.

    • 2 years ago
  • pakazak
  • fun_size
  • krush_productions
  • hollyMiamiFla
  • AMPiper
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      AMPiper  
    • As in the USA, the drug warriors use opium ("hard" drugs) as a pretext, and end up mostly busting cannabis farmers/users. To a great degree because cannabis folks tend to not be as hard core, and easier in general to bust. So the drug wars actual effects throughout time have been to limit our societies access to the least harmful of the illegals, while increasing profits for the "pushers".
      Cannabis has so many food fiber and fuel benefits for indigenous based agricultural societies that to be disrupting their lives in this way for hash is truly criminal.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • I doubt it. Afghan's want the poppy trade out of their country almost as bad as the DEA does. They know that it brings violence and poverty.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • extblues
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      extblues  
    • Ares:

      This is the same rationale that fuels the drug trade in South and Central America. Why, the farmers ask themselves, should they grow soybeans, corn, or coffee with the knowledge that markets are notoriously volatile as opposed to a crop that almost guarantees a strong profit margin when harvest time comes around?

      Sure, there are risks, but at the end of the day it's really all about business and the bottom line. The real key to eradicating the so-called "drug problem" is to either effect demand (...which isn't likely anytime soon), or give the farmers a more profitable alternative and a means to sell them at fair and competitive prices.

    • 2 years ago
  • pakazak
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      pakazak  
    • Ares:

      it would be the same as telling mcdonalds to stop selling their crap-burgers and start selling health food because it's better for all of us. burgers = large profit, health food = bankruptcy.

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • pakazak
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      pakazak  
    • "that country needs to move away from the drug trade and start making useful products."
      any suggestions?
      maybe a volvo plant somewhere, a couple of factory farms?
      just because big brother comes in and says 'stop' doesn't mean we'll stop. we'll just get more clever and you'll spend tons of cash trying to keep up.
      meanwhile, market prices go up and it turns into a cycle that the american taxpayer pays out the butt for.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • pakazak:

      Would you rather live with the alternative of apathy? Where we let the poppy trade slowly but systematically takes over and destroys any infrastructure the country has? Would you have money from dangerous and deadly drugs like opium pay for education systems? Who's going to teach in these schools, drug lord's wives?

    • 2 years ago
  • pakazak
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      pakazak  
    • pakazak:

      then you have to be able to provide the means to make the transition, not merely sending DEA troops in to eliminate the drug culture. leave a void and something worse will take its place.
      do they even allow women in schools?

    • 2 years ago
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • pakazak:

      I don't think so, just making a sarcastic reference.

      That's the catch though, innit? What's the medium, diplomacy? Because that hasn't been working very well, anywhere, ever.

    • 2 years ago
  • pakazak
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      pakazak  
    • pakazak:

      someone wise once told me that the only way to get people to change is to make them see the need to change, that is, to make it so desirable that there is no question.
      that's the key.
      as to how to do it? the question of the ages.
      what can you offer people, who are otherwise mired in poverty and violence, that makes them want a different way?

    • 2 years ago
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • pakazak:

      Exactly. There is no feasible option at this time in history. Therefore, we have two and only two options: do nothing, or take violent action to depose senseless violence. This is the premise of every war our country has entered.

      It is unfortunate, perhaps, that we are forced to combat violence with more violence, but know that the aggression we put forth on our targets will be swifter, more accurate, and hold more positive consequences for the people we are seeking to protect.

      For example, remember when Bush Sr. pulled out after Desert Storm, and told the Iraqi people that if they really wanted Saddam out of power (they did) that they needed to rise up for themselves? How did that work out?

      I'm not saying that violence is the answer to all problems, but it's foolish to suggest that it doesn't have its place.

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • hunzedog
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      hunzedog  
    • look at all that hash, did you hear the one guy say he wanted a sample out of every bag? hehe me too !
      this is some scary shit. i thought it was just about opium.
      hash is from cannabis isnt it.....you think people get pissed when you kill there family ? now your taking their drugs.......we just started ww3

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • Good, that country needs to move away from the drug trade and start making useful products. If it takes the DEA to do that then hell yeah, roll on brothers.

    • 2 years ago
  • oh_dear
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      oh_dear  
    • Ares:

      well maybe if they were given grains and silo's to store their crops, that would be a good start. poppies are the easiest and cheapest to harvest.

    • 2 years ago
  • jon_foshee
  • hollyMiamiFla
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Ares:

      The soil there is too poor to profitably produce anything but opium poppies. Furthermore, the water shortage in that region makes growing any other crop a lose-lose proposition. Better to cut out the middle-men and have pharmaceutical companies buy the opium at a reasonable price from the growers, so as to make morphine and other opium-based medicines.

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
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      hunzedog  
    • they could spend all the money they want chasing the golden triad forever.....now maybe they will leave the american cannabis lovers alone...doubt it though !

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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