Rep. Joe Wilson Confirmed Member Of Radical Racist Group, "Sons Of Confederate Veterans".

You my friend have an open mind, and I sincerely thank you for your remarks.

no the civil war was not about slavery but about beating a central govnment that had overstepped its enumerated powers and was preventing the states from ruling themselves which is spelled out in the constitution of the united states.
If the states were to abolish slavery, the people of those states should have done it thru their own processes -- not at the gunpoint of the central govnment which clearly stepped out of it's jurisdiction and power.
it was clearly the saddest darkest period in our history, God willing we will never take up arms against each other again.

Also, no one is saying that joe wilson is a cross burning KKK member, what were noting is that the abnormal level of hysteria caused by EVERY SINGLE ACTION obama takes (not getting into birthers and whatnot), as well as the general lack of calm caused by his many attempts at bipartisanship, and the fact that it's coming from traditionally racist parts of society (as in, white conservatives who happen to be carrying around racist signs at these rallies. sorry, that's the truth) seems to be indicative of a subconscious racism that's the real issue.

(boy, i hope that makes sense, i'm kinda blurry tonight)

ill just repost this section as i assume you missed it.

"The confederate flag does represent independence from a strong central gov, but only to continue the economic practice of slavery."

V,
Not all people who fought for the south in the Civil War supported slavery.
However, it does seem like the Confederate flag has been adopted by contemporary rednecks and racists, (is "redneck" a racist term?), but why let them have it? Why not delineate between the actual historical context and more contemporary lazy assumptions?
My family fought for the north in the Civil War and, (at least reputedly, helped slaves escape northward through Ohio), but as a student of history I'd have to say that however wrong-headed it was, the south did have the legal right to succession from the Union. The war was about more than slavery, but that was it's political flash-point. I'd be hesitant to simplify that huge and tragic portion of our history in a knee-jerk response and so easily allow contemporary racists to "own" that symbol. Although I'm not particularly fond of a red cross as symbol either, don't forget that the Ku Klux Klan adopted it as its symbol as well and I assume made some mileage out of that

fuck off, jackass.

if you wanna compare apples to apples, dont bring up Van Jones WHO RESIGNED VOLUNTARILY due to any perceived discrepancies between him and the rest of his party.

stephen, im astonished that you believe that, do you really think the administration would go on with a communist czar while the heat is on from all sides.
They admired the crazy shit from van jones, but they thought they could bring in the radicals under the hush of the complicit media, but the people will not have communists making our life decisions. We didn't vote for this.

stephen...

So "perceived discrepencies" is now the same as videos and statements of him repeatedly and openly parading his ties to communism, making numerous radical statements, stating his belief 9/11 was an inside job and showing his strong hatred for whites, among other things? Take of the political blinders and follow the truth.

And to think this guy "voluntarily resigned" is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read on this site...and that's saying something. You actually think Obama was going to associate himself with this man and get dragged through the mud with him? Hell no, it's a lot easier to throw a disposable being under the bus at the first opportunity. Obama isn't even loyal to his closest colleagues. How do trust him as honest when it comes to the American people?

ampersand,

Robert E. Lee led and defended an institutionalized mentally that responsible for far more brutal deaths than the 6 million deaths than we read about that took place during the Holocaust. A moderate count for Blacks that died during the middle passage from Africa and slavery combined is well over 100,000,000 (i hundred million).
Get your facts straight, please.

im laughing at your numbers, because their weren't even that many people in the unites states until the 20th century

One slave is one slave too many. I'm proud of my Scottish ancestors to have had the moxie, and the foundation in law, to say, in 1774, when an escaped black slave appealed to the Scottish court to recognize his freedom, confirmed it by saying:
"No man is a slave in Scotland."
In any case, facts are still better than imaginings in any discussion. The population of the fifteen slave states in the United States was just over 8 million before the civil war. In those states, no greater than 4.8 percent of the population owned slaves.
The number of slaves brought to America from the 16th to 19th century is cited as 645,000.

and I'm chuckling at the ignorance of both of you.At least 2/3 of the slaves brought here from Africa died in the Middle Passage. That doesn't include the Washitaw Muurs (Blacks from Morocco), who were made slaves that were here already before the Mayflower arrived

1st, slaves were not counted in any census polls back then,
and 2nd) I said the middle passage included. That includes the journey from Africa to the Americas, from 1555 to the late 1800's. Check with the United States library of Congress.

No wonder this doesn't bother you. Sounds likes a Supremest to me.

YOU ONLY KNOW ONE SIDE OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

BTW, you didn't discover shit. Indigenous people from Africa and South America were here already. All that you did is what you're still doing today. You stole land and you stole people.That's what the SCV represents today. A history of theft.

ampersand,

you brag about nothing. They might have acknowledge their freedom, but they never acknowledged slaves being equal to them.

BTW, you didn't discover shit. Indigenous people from Africa and South America were here already. All that you did is what you're still doing today. You stole land and you stole people.That's what the SCV represents today. A history of theft.

I never said i discovered anything. And you don't know my knowledge of history.
The indigenous peoples conquered other indigenous people and took the land, yes thats right they "stole" it as you say. fact is they conquered and took the land but i wouldn't describe it as stealing i would call it war -- its been going on as long as people.

keithpounder,
Your point about slaves dying en route is a very good one.
However, even if no slaves were included in the census (and I'm not sure that's true, given that slaves were counted as 2/3's a person in Congressional apportionment) if less than 5% of the people in slave states owned slaves (according to the records less than a maximum of 10 each and typically much less) there is still no way mathematically "a hundred million" slaves died in the US between the 16th and the 19th century.
This is in no way ameliorates the wrong and the horror of slavery, but confirms it, and, I hope, with more accuracy. It doesn't help the discussion or the understanding of slavery and its historical and contemporary effects to wildly exaggerate the facts or to broadly paint the entire world with the brush of indifference or racism.

that's not exactly an ace up your sleeve there bud.

I don't admire Washington or Jefferson.

Joe has defenders. Stand tall and show your name.

Sons of Confederates is not a hate group, they just defend slavery, and secession from the United States of America.

I got it now.

hey i thought the civil war was over, the guy cant help it if is ancestors wanted to succeed from an opressive central govnment.
His state was involved in that fight and in these days are wishing the most that they had been successful.
States have little rights today under this strongarmed central govnment. give the guy a break as he is representing common folk.

montesooma,

Give the guy a break because he represents common folk ? What common folk are you talking about ?

He represents a racist mindset that supports the notion that slavery was justified ? Is that what common folk believe ?

You obviously do.Nothing wrong with being honest. I don't appreciate your comments, but I do respect your honesty.

No. The group just openly ,obviously as you do to,defends slavery and the rebel flag.

My bad for the miseducation. I guess those views have finally become acceptable standards in today's world.

Keith,

Show me anywhere where I have done what you accuse me of. That is ridiculous.

I'm not accusing you of anything. But it does sound like you're condoning this group.

Yeah because the Rebel flag is about history!
THE HISTORY OF BIGOTS AND RACISTS

Keith,

Actually you accused me of defending slavery which I did not do. I would put my civil rights activist and voting record against yours any day with pride.

All I did is point out that there is a difference between the SCV and the KKK. If we are going to have intellectual discussion, then perhaps we need to take that difference into account when assessing blame or assigning cause to people's actions. To pretend that there is no difference does not lend itself to reality. Fight the simulacra!

samethesixth,

There is no difference in the KKK and SCV in a lot of ways. They both defend and justify slavery as a necessary means.