Staggering $636.3 billion Approved for the Department of Defense FY 2010
source: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/108006/senate-panel-kills-f136-engine,...
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If you want to see the complete summary, there is a link at the bottom of this page:
http://www.appropriations.senate.gov/news.cfm?method=news.view&id=e69371e7-c...
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Meanwhile...
SUPREME COURT ABOUT TO DO THE UNTHINKABLE!
http://current.com/items/90935605_supreme-court-about-to-do-the-unthinkable.htm...cut to deafening silence...
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Daniel Ellsberg....What a true hero of humanity indeed !
He just refused to be treated as an INSECT ;)
We all could learn a thing or two from his rebellious attitude....
ARE WE TREATED AS INSECTS ?
http://current.com/items/90030349_are-we-treated-as-insects.htm"A time comes when silence is betrayal; we are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for the victims of our nation, for those it calls 'enemy." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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jubal
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I have a taped lecture that I filmed myself of Daniel Ellsberg doing a lecture at our local community college, just before the 2000 election. He came to warn us that Bush was going to become the president and that the same bunch of people he went up against during the Vietnam war, are back to take the Whitehouse again. He wasn't talking about GWB, he was talking about Cheney, Rumsfeld, and a few others.
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FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION LACK OF EMPATHY ;)
NIXON & KISSINGER ADMIRABLY SHOWED THE WAY TO OUR PRESENT WAR LORDS...
"The Most Dangerous Man in America"
New Documentary Chronicles Story of Daniel Ellsberg, Whose Leak of the Pentagon Papers Helped End Vietnam War
Daniel Ellsberg once faced espionage charges and possibly life in prison after leaking what became known as the Pentagon Papers, a 7,000-page classified history outlining the true extent of US involvement in Vietnam. Daniel Ellsbergs actions directly contributed to the end of Nixon presidency and the Vietnam War.
DN! Story of Daniel Ellsberg (1\3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xspkphIyQW0
DN! Story of Daniel Ellsberg (2\3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg1xhSek6bE&feature=related
DN! Story of Daniel Ellsberg (3\3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3cNERtf8fo&feature=relatedPS : HISTORY HAS A NASTY HABIT OF REPEATING ITSELF WHEN IGNORED
EXECUTIVE RESUME
"We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog , interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
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Carmelite, you made great points there! Manuel, I am recommending two articles for you;
1. What Makes a Psychopath?
http://current.com/items/90831658_what-makes-a-psychopath.htm2. Is lack of empathy a costly epidemic?
http://current.com/items/90866956_is-lack-of-empathy-a-costly-epidemic.htm - 2 years ago
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carmalite
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Manuel, much of the defense spending is wasteful and blantant give aways for political patronage (Halliburton and others come to mind.) Much of it has nothing to do with defense.
Why do we have troops in peaceful countries like Germany? Why not spend on making our country itself very very safe? - 2 years ago
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carmalite:
It is showing solidarity. We will not allow others to trample innocent democracies. Is that wrong? If we allowed this, it would only be a matter of time before we be the ones trampled.
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carmalite:
Exactly, why do we have to rule over anything else but ourselves?
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jubal
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bailey78
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Hey I own some guns can I get a little bit of that money for defending my home.
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Progresshiv
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"Take their cash, blame it on the OTHER, and watch them chase their tails until they drop dead."
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http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy10/pdf/fy10-newera.pdf
if you want projected budgets pg 53 is where the defense funds start.
in my opinion the DOD needs to stop contracting out. use the guys we have in the armed forces they know what they're doing. besides haliburton is a debacle of shoty work there have been many reports them doing shoty work in soliders bases in iraq and afganistan. and if you need proof let me know ill dig up for any panzies here that dont believe.
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Cochiese
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Those numbers are sad to see reported. if you gave 230 million citizens 200 grand only if they created a business that compliments obama green stimulus package plan. Just an idea.......
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I am just wondering here if the children that lost their parents to social conflicts and AIDs in Africa would hate me because I am helping them. Humm, what is the sentence I am looking for here...Oh yeah! "Plant war and you will harvest destruction!" Plant kindness and you will harvest Love!" Do you think that makes any sense? Maybe not! War is more fun right? You get to kill and destroy other people lives and habitats. You get to invade their Country! That's fun, right?
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stopnoise:
war has always been a part of man since the begining. even our holy books have writings of war.
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stopnoise:
Holy Shmoly, that doesn't make it right. War is always for profit, greed, selfishness, and avarice.
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Manuel,
there you go again...
It is not defense, it is empire building !
About your darling RED MENACE !
How the Soviet Menace Was Hyped
To understand what happened to the United States over the past three decades, a good place to start is by examining the battles fought within the CIA's analytical division over evidence of Soviet capabilities and intentions, which were systematically hyped by Cold War hardliners.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23522.htmif reading demands to much of an effort please watch this 101 of understanding politics documentary ;)
The Power of Nightmares, (Part 1/3), "Baby it's Cold Outside"
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727&q=The+Power+of+N...The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876&q=The+Power+of+N...The Power of Nightmares Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254&q=The+Power+of+N...Watch it my man, your commie fears could take a wither shade of pale ;)
Please don't turn into a Barney Frank coffee table on me ;)
"The trouble with most folks isn't so much their ignorance, as knowing so many things that ain't so." : Josh Billings - [Henry Wheeler Shaw] (1818-1885) American humorist and lecturer
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WhiteNoise:
Still can't answer a few simple questions?
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WhiteNoise:
ALSO: How about an actual response to what I am saying, and actual answer to some questions. Don't flood the page with propaganda made in someone's bedroom.
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WhiteNoise:
EXECUTIVE RESUME
"We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog , interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
PS : HISTORY HAS A NASTY HABIT OF REPEATING ITSELF WHEN IGNORED
"The Most Dangerous Man in America"
DN! Story of Daniel Ellsberg (1\3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xspkphIyQW0
DN! Story of Daniel Ellsberg (2\3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg1xhSek6bE&feature=related
DN! Story of Daniel Ellsberg (3\3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3cNERtf8fo&feature=relatedPROOF OF CONCEPT
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." – Plato
ALTERNATIVE
http://www.antiwar.com/LEARN & CRINGE ;)
http://www.mtwsfh.blogspot.com/ - 2 years ago
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WhiteNoise:
Manuel--sometimes when we actually do some reading on our own we don't need someone to answer our misinformed questions.
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I remember hearing about this guy who was going to stop all this. What was his name....? BO guess he changed his mind about everything he promised. i just cant believe how many others cant remember that either.
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Manuel_Trujillo
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WhiteNoise: Your response in no way answers any of the questions that I asked. Do you suggest we just quit defense spending, and sit back while other countries conquer and rule everything?
If we sit, and do not continue to build our defense, there will be a day that the conquerers will use the mighty military that they have built, and use the dirty americans as slaves, rape and pillage our cities, and eliminate the what is the Greatest country on this earth.
Yes, we have our flaws. But we live the most lavish, and sheltered lives in the world. We have anything at our fingertips.
Tell me, what country would you rather live in? If not here, I am sure it will be a country that the US backs and defends.
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jubal
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Manuel_Trujillo:
Why do we need to rule anything but ourselves?
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jubal
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Dear Manuel,
you seem to be totally unaware of the inner workings of the american empire...
May I suggest a little reading ?
This one reads like a spy novel ;)
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_ManEver heard of Howard Zinn or Chomsky ?
Uncle Sam may not be the victim of mean dirty commies as he's prop up to be ;)
"I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own -- and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans. ": -- General David M. Shoup - Commandant of the Marine Corps 1960-63, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor - Source: May 14, 1966
"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." : Samuel P. Huntington
Meanwhile in our backyard...
Cost of War in Iraq
$683,380,305,888
Cost of War in Afghanistan
$227,016,709,458The cost in your community
www.nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182 - 2 years ago
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WhiteNoise:
Your response in no way answers any of the questions that I asked. Do you suggest we just quit defense spending, and sit back while other countries conquer and rule everything?
If we sit, and do not continue to build our defense, there will be a day that the conquerers will use the mighty military that they have built, and use the dirty americans as slaves, rape and pillage our cities, and eliminate the what is the Greatest country on this earth.
Yes, we have our flaws. But we live the most lavish, and sheltered lives in the world. We have anything at our fingertips.
I guess that would be your solution?
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Better question: Would you stand by and let other world powers simply overthrow our friends and allies, and build bigger armies, while we sit by and enjoy ourselves with the money we save?
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Manuel_Trujillo:
Of course not. If a situation like Hitler came up, we would all band together and fight.
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Manuel_Trujillo:
Sadly we aren't all fighting with tanks, and planes anymore. Not only major world powers have nuclear weapons these days, but many smaller and unstable countries have joined the nuke race... and many other COMPLETELY unstable countries are working on acquiring them now.
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Manuel_Trujillo:
"If a situation like Hitler came up, we would all band together and fight."
I don't think so as we cannot agree on what modern rulers most represent Hitler's qualities.
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Who will defend us from all of Commies? Doesn't anybody read about the power push of China?
There are a lot of countries who would like to take the place as the most powerful country on this earth. I believe that we all live a much more luxurious life then most in the world, and I am willing to defend that!
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Manuel_Trujillo:
I think we have to worry more about the Jihadists than the Communists.
China our banker, is now a weird form of capitalistic quasi-totalitarian communism fascism and is going to bury us economically because our corporations were so greedy that they decided to outsource all our industries and decent factory jobs
.China is a threat, but unless we rebuild our industrial base, we have already lost there. I think our luxurious life will slowely become less and less unless some changes are made. If you are in the right career, you will survive. - 2 years ago
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Manuel_Trujillo:
The really is no reason to worry, I guess it just depends on if you want your children to speak Chineese, or if you want them to be born in the USA.
I guess it depends if you want the best side to be the dominant force on this planet someday. Things aren't as simple, and as little as they seem.
Soon, there will be a one world order. US or THEM?
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Manuel_Trujillo:
so these wars are to defend our luxurious lifestyle?
hell, thanks for clearing that up, more than I can get from the Whitehouse.
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How much is for blackwater and halaburton(sp.)?
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emarston:
A Blackwater soldier makes 4 times what an ordinary soldier makes. So privatization of the military results in vast cost increases and lack of the solid accountability and dicipline of the regular military.
Why the privatization? Because Bush's buds get to steal as much as possible. The Republican supporters get the pay back.Its a crime against the taxpayer to have these crooks. I am sick of my taxes subsidizing private corporate thieves.
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If you liked Bush, good for you. If you like Obama, good for you. If you don't believe people are trying to turn America Communist, good for you.
But where the F#CK is all this money coming from? If you don't believe any of those stories about whats happening, atleast explain to me WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM!?!?
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Revelation_Machine:
2 places. . .Us and THEM
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Revelation_Machine:
It's coming from your great grand children. China is happy to loan us all the money we can waste against our descendants future earnings.
http://chinanewswrap.com/2009/03/17/china-still-the-largest-creditor-nation-of-t...
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Revelation_Machine:
Well stated Neutron. We are deep in their pocket at this point.
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Who are we defending ourselves against? All along I actually thought that every human being was equal. If we share 1 planet how did we become divided?
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Cochiese:
I did the same thing, but had to swallow it, because I didn't have anywhere to spew it.
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I just threw up.
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INDEED...
"It is a tragic mix-up when the United States spends $500,000 for every enemy soldier killed, and only $53 annually on the victims of poverty.": Martin Luther King, Jr. - 1929-1968
...AND IT ONLY GOT WORST FROM THEN ON... - 2 years ago
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What a terrible waste! Truly sad for the people of this country, they will never have a government that invests this much in them.
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TELL ME SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ;)
HALLIBURTON / KBR STEALING US BLIND !
http://current.com/items/89801957_halliburton-kbr-stealing-us-blind.htmPENTAGON SCORES A BIGGER RIP-OFF THAN BAILOUT !
http://current.com/items/89342370_pentagon-scores-a-bigger-rip-off-than-bailout...."I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own -- and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans. ": -- General David M. Shoup - Commandant of the Marine Corps 1960-63, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor - Source: May 14, 1966
"The plutocrats believe there are some things worse than war: the confiscation of special privileges; the abolition of unearned income; the overthrow of the economic parasitism; the establishment of industrial democracy. The plutocrats would welcome a war that promised salvation from any such calamities; they would also welcome a war that promised greater foreign markets, the destruction of foreign competition, more security for property rights and a longer lease on life for plutocratic despotism." - Scott Nearing — 1917
"To initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." -Nuremberg tribunal
MAKING THE WORLD SAFE FOR HYPOCRISY AIN'T CHEAP ;)
http://www.mtwsfh.blogspot.com/ - 2 years ago
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"I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher- ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service." : General Smedley Butler. USMC (Ret.)
THE SMEDLEY BUTLER SOCIETY
http://warisaracket.org/“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty and democracy ? ” - Gandhi
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WhiteNoise:
WhiteNoise, thanks for the graph. No wonder we are broke as its all going for guns and nothing is going for butter. We are doing what the Old Soviet did that bankrupted it.
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WhiteNoise:
"hey will arrive at a solution of their own "
now that's what the GOP keeps telling us about corporations and health reform...if the government will just back off, the markets will arrive at a solution of their own...and we all know what that feels like.
not advocating US involvement anywhere, just noting the irony in their arguments
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money that is well spent on corporations weaponry and crap, which funnel money back to the government by way of bribes
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...and how much is spent promoting Peace......
.......a good defense is to not offend.....
Golden Ruler.....Johnnie Hargrave - 2 years ago
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Who will defend us from the Department of Defense?
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Progresshiv:
The ACLU, your lords and saviors.
/SARCASM
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Progresshiv:
Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. He said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." He didn't say, "Love thy WASP neighbors only." he said, "Love thy neighbor."
Go in peace, my brother.
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Progresshiv:
Just joking mate. No need to go Biblical on me. I remember confirmation class.
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