Israel has nuked itself?

Lie with dogs, wake up with fleas.

Israel deserves credit for its progressive ideals. Recognizing the human rights of women and gays is a tremendous step in the right direction.

OHHH Yeah everyone should be free to blow themselves up over a real estate dispute!!!! You make no fucking sense there. Everything can be taken to the extreme. With "Arab" attacks on Jews in the ME dating back to Islams founder's time until now we should make sure they are free to carry on like the middle ages! Also they should be free to kill and rape their women, stop educating them altogether, and hang all of the homosexuals.
Freedom, that is what you are fighting for when you side with Arabisms like that that rail against Israel which has killed far less than any neighbor. FACT. Israelis have the highest number of Nobels, one more just today. What's more is that we have collaboratively helped Palestinians win Nobels. It is not Jewish racism or genocide that should be the focus, it is the other way around. It is a famous distraction frm the corruption, hatred, sexism and homphobia of the Muslim world. Not to mention pollution from their stinky black tar which they market like crack! Israelis lead in renewable research. Israelis lead in weapons that save civilians. The freedom you are asking for is only available in Israel, for women at least.
Just know, without Israelli technology, formerly a blitz like that would have wiped Gaza off the map. You try to do better after three years of rockets.
You explain why two Palestinian girls were the last to die from a Qassam before the war?
You explain why Hamas will never be berated for war crimes even though Goldstone clearly said they should, and should have, for years now..
You explain how 600 Fatah men and their families were slaughtered by Hamas just months before this war, and why Abbas tacitly approved Israel's use of deterrent war because he wanted his own revenge.

The Palestinian movement can no longer hide behind the lie of Jewish dominance and racism. It is just a pretense and it is not true on any level other than any other people who talk shit about each other. Jewish refugees cannot be blamed for the entire disgusting mess of the Arab world. Especially when most of us left the rest of the Arab world because of discrimination, theft, and murder due to hatred.
The Arab chicken laid that egg first.

As for the biblical passage about genocide, you will be more honest to tell the whole story, that the people CHOSE not to do it. Supposedly it predicted we would fight forever because of that choice. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Israel's God and hero is the author of genocide. He even called it "cleansing" if I remember the horrible book correctly. Their god is a god of Vengeance, War, Curses, Forbidden knowledge, Injustice (punishment of children for father's sins) ritualistic animal sacrifice etc etc. You can use what the bible says to test things on God, and you find that the fruits of this tree are all bad.

Few people realize that Jesus and "god" are opposites. You see where the term "synagogue of satan" is correct.

I see where people are using the products of Israeli Racism against Palestinians are using it as reason to promote more racism. Just like a pig saying "look at all the crime drugs cause" when in fact drugs don't cause crime, drug laws cause all that crime. Remove the controlled substances act and remove most all crime. Remove other restrictions on freedom and stop most of the rest of the crime. Freedom is key to having a nice place to live. There is no freedom in the USA any more and it sucks to live here.

for someone desiring thier time not be wasted you sure cant get enough of futal bickering.read the posts on here and compare the level of personal attacks you feel you need to dole out compared to everyone else. im interested in an exchange of ideas not pissing contests. but ill indulge you for aslong as you desire
i disgrace my history? you have no idea what that is
even if you did know, you believe you have an understanding of it to state what is right by it and what is wrong. really?
ignorant of defenition and poor speller.
i know what secular is as i am. being an athiest makes choosing a faith a tad rough. you assume i practice judaism based on my opinions. i defend gay rights and fight racism too. i love vagina and am as white as the day is long like gary busey white. my spelling sux and.... the fuck do i care i mean of all the areas in my life to focus my efforts in arguing with you i should spell check? i give readers the benefit of the doubt in figuring out typos.
its typing on a website. what is there to be scared of ?i stand behind what i say my posts are still there not abridged unchanged i just dont argue minimal concepts like you callin me chicken(what are you marty mcfly?)
why would i argue that it isnt ethnic cleansing with you who state it is a fact. i dont believe oits a fact but i know im not going to change your mind so why waste time arguing you personaly. when you post falsehoods and im inspired to counter them or if i feel it serves a purpose to do so i will.
your approach to posting here reminds me of the gym teacher in beavis and butthead ya know with the vien in the forehead and the bugged out eye just on the verge of a stroke.
be civil its easier on the soul

Is that word gibberish for deranged? Whatever, the person who thinks religious societies cannot be democratic or egalitarian has about 22 Islamofascist countries to rail against with a far greater population of people under fasciist religious rule than in Israel. At least in Israel they are not lynched for being female alone or gay. They have a vote, and have better education than any of those 22 totalitarian Muslim nations.
It is quite racist not to recognise that with a statement like yours about Israel.

@freecrack;
From a person whom chooses the name of "freecrack" A person who also insults his own history and the work of Raphael Lemkin.

A person who needs to really take look to see what the definition of the word "secular" means and, how to spell the word "intelectual" (one of many)

Now, lets talk about character... You aren't even man enough to stand behind your own words that come from your own mouth. You are scared to use your "real name" because, you're scared about when this all turns around... that you could be charged with inciting "crimes against humanity".

Maybe... you should be scared!

And you still, you don't have the capacity or, the back-bone to admit it and stand behind what you are doing? That this is in fact "ethnic cleansing".

Everyone can see through all of this... So be a real man for once, and admit it !

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lol and the palastinians are the picture of mental health.(drugs including weed proliferate in israeli society because police are a tad busy with more pressing issues than stoners
i have responded to the issues at hand wich you obnoxiously lacked the intelectual depth to understand. if you really lack the self control to avert your eyes from my posts lemme help you out.
click on my profile(dont worry you wont burst into flames from doing so) and click on the block user option.
if you cant handle that you can continue to debate with me if you can muster the basic levels of respect for me as i do you if not sorry you are destine to suffer me

Some Jews (oh excuse me, "jewish israelians") need to smoke some weed. They have psycho-anger issues. Yeah that's what the doctor ordered - a lot of weed.

@freecrack

Look, this is the third time you've avoided the main topics here. Either address the main issues or, you are wasting everyone's time with your side-show non-issue theatrics.

do what?

oh my bad i didnt know the current discussion forum was geared for you to tell us stuff. im so sorry i have wasted your time. if i had only known how much more valuable your time is compared to the rest of us i surely wouldnt have dared to waste it.
i apologize for typing in a manor that forces you to log on to current and post. it must be terrible to lack the self control to not post. i am so sorry that i have magicly forced your hand.
do you need help a support group maybe to ween you of the uncontrolable impulse that forces you to allow your time to be wasted by me?

FIRST: I was responding to your own misstatement below...
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@Freecrack says: "israel is jewish as america is christian as italy is catholic as turkey is muslum. "
[end quote] these are your words... not mine.

Sounds more like you are "swerving yourself".

[SECOND:]
It easy to cherry pick the easy cute answers... and stupid things about selling alcohol on Sundays in Utah covering your very own inaccuracies in an obvious attempt to avoid the real substance here. Don't waste my time playing word games like a child. That is not why I am here.

[THIRD:]
If you can't see the parallel in what is happening today by bulldozing of homes and the building settlements. And you still don't have the capacity to see what "Raphael Lemkin" outlined in his fine work below or, the back-bone to admit that this is in fact "ethnic cleansing".

Then you have no reason to continue this conversation.

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[G]enocide means "ANY" of the following: acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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Those who choose not to learn from history....
are doomed to repeat it.

The Rule, still applies to You and to Everyone!

Do on to others.... as you would like done on to yourself.

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and thier are one million muslums who freely practice thier religion with no restrictions as well as christians and catholics.
israel is at least as secular as us if not more so.
no stores are forbodem from selling alcohol on sundays.(religious mandate)
nowhere in israel (unlike utah) is there a dry town by law.(religious mandate)
nowhere in the israeli public school systems is creationism taught instead of evolution.(religious mandate).
maybe your fringe group is swerving you

@Freecrack says: "israel is jewish as america is christian as italy is catholic as turkey is muslum. "

WRONG= Maybe that is what "You and other Fringe Groups" Would like to believe... But that in fact is only more of your fantasy thinking.

There is a "Separation of Church and State: written into The United States Constitution: Its importance it self-evident because it is the "FIRST AMENDMENT"

In the United States the "Separation of Church and State" is generally discussed as a political and legal principle derived from the "First Amendment" of the United States Constitution, which reads,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . ." The concept of separation is commonly credited to the combination of the two clauses: the establishment clause, generally interpreted as preventing the government from establishing a national religion, providing tax money in support of religion, or otherwise favoring any single religion or religion generally; and the free exercise clause, ensuring that private religious practices are not restricted by the government. The effect of prohibiting direct connections between religious and governmental institutions while protecting private religious freedom and autonomy has been termed the "separation of church and state."

The United States also has their own version of religious lunatic fringe groups they continually try to blur that line to create a non-secular government.

But, in order to stop Genocide.... Our First Amendment states: That all Religion must remain in the Churches Mosques and Temples and hearts and beliefs of its people and out of Government system completely.

Only then... we honor all Flavors of Religion and all people... Equally and Fairly.

The First Amendment is a result of learning from the past.

The First Amendment is the "First Step" in evolution and living together as a Global Family and being good neighbors.

The First Amendment is the frame work for "Doing on to others {equally and fairly}... as you would want done on to yourself.

Regardless of your belief or religion.... " we are all connected" together as a Global Family and we all need to concentrate on being good neighbors.

We can start individually by each of us setting good examples first to our children and then to our neighbors and then to our global family...

We are all connected....

This is where we all can begin.

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Any and all divine doctrines government structures based on any non-secular beliefs is discriminatory to all people that don't believe in your flavor of religion.

Your land of milk and honey is fine as a religious fantasy. But, in the land of reality... your Plan of ethnic cleansing to create settlements and ultra religious government structure is no different from any of the other governments who planned to ethnically cleanse and are now guilty of genocide.

History shows us: Those who choose not to learn from history... are doomed to repeat it.

HERE IS A LIST...

2.1 Before 1490
2.2 1490 to 1914
2.2.1 Americas
2.2.1.1 United States of America
2.2.1.2 Argentina
2.2.2 Australia
2.2.3 France
2.2.4 Philippines
2.2.5 German South-West Africa
2.2.6 Ireland
2.2.6.1 War of the Three Kingdoms
2.2.6.2 Great Irish Famine
2.2.7 Russian Empire
2.2.8 Chinese dynasties
2.3 1915 to 1950
2.3.1 Ottoman Empire
2.3.1.1 Armenian
2.3.1.2 Assyrian
2.3.1.3 Greek
2.3.1.4 Turkish Denial
2.3.2 Soviet Union
2.3.3 Croatia
2.3.4 Nazi Germany and occupied Europe
2.4 1951 to 2000
2.4.1 Australia 1900-1969
2.4.2 Zanzibar
2.4.3 Guatemala 1968-1996
2.4.4 Bangladesh War of 1971
2.4.5 Burundi 1972 and 1993
2.4.6 Equatorial Guinea
2.4.7 Cambodia
2.4.8 East Timor under Indonesian occupation
2.4.9 Dirty War in Argentina
2.4.10 Sabra-Shatila, Lebanon
2.4.11 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan
2.4.12 Ethiopia
2.4.13 Iraqi Kurds
2.4.14 Tibet
2.4.15 Brazil
2.4.16 Democratic Republic of Congo
2.4.17 Azerbaijan
2.4.18 West New Guinea / West Papua
2.4.19 Sri Lanka
3 International prosecution of genocide
3.1 Ad hoc tribunals
3.1.1 Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995
3.1.2 Rwanda
3.2 International Criminal Court
3.2.1 Darfur, Sudan

WHAT IS GENOCIDE?

The term "genocide" did not exist before 1944. It is a very specific term, referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group. Human rights, as laid out in the U.S. Bill of Rights or the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, concern the rights of individuals.

In 1944, a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin (1900-1959) sought to describe Nazi policies of systematic murder, including the destruction of the European Jews. He formed the word "genocide" by combining geno-, from the Greek word for race or tribe, with -cide, from the Latin word for killing. In proposing this new term, Lemkin had in mind "a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves." The next year, the International Military Tribunal held at Nuremberg, Germany, charged top Nazis with "crimes against humanity." The word “genocide” was included in the indictment, but as a descriptive, not legal, term.

On December 9, 1948, in the shadow of the Holocaust and in no small part due to the tireless efforts of Lemkin himself, the United Nations approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This convention establishes "genocide” as an international crime, which signatory nations “undertake to prevent and punish.” It defines genocide as:

[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Link Below:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007043
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Those who choose not to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The Rule, still applies to everyone!

Do on to others.... as you would do on to yourself.

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people ruling land by divine doctrine is a travesty.
but a secular democracy ruling a land is not.
israel is jewish as america is christian as italy is catholic as turkey is muslum.
the real nightmare is a terrorist orginization(hamas) ruling anything

Israel is able to conquer all the countries around it within few days.

you cant tell someone they need therapy as you talk down to them.it makes it seem as though you are the small minded one.
the day of the conquerer is over? really ? i didnt get the memo
niether did iraq i mean if kuwait knew the day of the conquerer was over we could have avoided sending our troops to stop saddams attemps at not conquering them.
what was it hitler was doing again in 1940s europe?
aggresively spreading germanic culture?
how did russia get so big? where all those territories donated? lord knows they didnt conquer

I had an interesting encounter with the guardian of Al Aqsa recently on the Temple Mount. He was the embodiment of Arab mendacity and deceit and a compulsive and vicious liar. The mosque and the Dome are both closed to non-Muslims....another example of Arab apartheid. This moron, who was in contact with hundreds of tourists every day, told me they were closed to non-Arabs because Sharon in 2000 came to the mount with 3000 soldiers and killed 50 children. This is the hateful despicable bullshit this neanderthal tells the ignorant tourists every day. The truth is Sharon visited the mount with a few guards and because this upset the Muslims they rioted and in the ensuing conflict 7 adults were killed.
The custodian of Al Aqsa exemplies the profound dishonesty and corruption of the palestinian Arabs which is busy brainwashing and lying to the Western dhimmis who suck it all up willingly feeding their latent Jew hatred.

" @freecrack says: not israels land? "
" @bielski says: therapy'?"

YES... it is not the Israelis land. The days of the conquer ended way back with the dinosaur. What you are doing is wrong! And Bielski... Your correct Yes.... you both do need therapy!!!

I am sure you both are very lucky to have great Israeli healthcare plans!!! Please do call and make an appointment right away!!! Tell them it is an emergency!!! That you have both lost touch with reality and you and your friends all need urgent help!!!

I agree... Yes, this is a very good place to begin!

Please get back to me after your first appointment and we will move on to the next phase of your recovery.

Till then...

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not israels land?
israel didnt conquer it just as every country has done before them?
should the us stop building schools and hospitals until native americans give the ok?
stick with the "its not thier land" argument insuring absolutely no progress will be made

'therapy'?

Sure thing....my weekly Friday evening visit to the Western Wall in Jerusalem.....the centre of the world...to pray with my fellow respecters and lovers of life. Of course, I should be visiting the Third Temple on the mount but your Islamofascist brothers are illegally occupying it....and have been for 1400 years, when they invaded , sacked and plundered Jerusalem..... and preventing any non Muslim from praying there.....even if it's a whisper. The Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa are monuments to Arab imperialism and are illegal. One glorious day in the future they will be flattened and the Jews will be able to reclaim what is theirs and build the Third Temple. The First Temple was there 1500 years before the mass murdering and Jewhating warlord Mohammed was born. He didn't go to Jerusalem and it is not mentioned once in the Koran......the silly dumb story about him flying there on a winged horse to ascend to heaven and have a cup of tea with God , Moses and Jesus......a completely laughable piece of bullshit fantasy and propaganda that was invented by an Ommayad Caliph 300 years after Mohammed's death to justify the illegal Arab presence in Jerusalem. The original fairy tale only called it 'the farthest mosque' and did not name Jerusalem.. All lies and propaganda. The rock on the mount is holy only to the Jews. Moshe Dayan made a huge mistake when he handed it over to Muslim control in 1967 after kicking Arab butt and liberating Jerusalem. He should have banished them completely from the Mount and initiated the building of the Third Temple.
But don't worry, it will come about and truth and justice will reign.

[bieski's own quote: ]

"And that's after we removed 100 roadblocks to make your fellow Jew hating jihadists lives easier. But are they grateful? No way.

[end quote]

Bieski... Remember, it isn't your land...

So, because of that.... You have "ZERO" Rights to put any road blocks on their land.

Have you ever tried therapy?
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Bleski.... The only one with any sign of violence, rage and bitterness... IS YOU, as you sit in your fortress in the center of bulldozed lands.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY... IT IS ALL ABOUT... WHAT YOU DO... That's how people judge you as a human being... Only, by your actions ... Because that is how we are all judged...

Remember MR. BLESKI.

I have never bulldozed my neighbors homes....
I am not the one building condos and making $$$$ on stolen property and the death and misery of my neighbors. But... YOU ARE!!!

YOU HAVE A CHOICE... Your either to be a Monster or a victim.... Those are the cards you play, as you try to play the victim... But, your actions say something else altogether. Your actions and the justifications that you make indicate that the root of your actions are planned and clearly target every man women and child who are not of your religion. These are actions show clearly an intent and design to cause hell and misery in "all" their lives.

Systematically destroying their homes, by starvation and, by destruction of municipal water-systems "intentionally" ripping up streets with bulldozers contaminating sewage lines with drinking water "with clear intent to cause disease, sickness and death". These acts are not acts of stupidity... but are acts of pure evil. Designed and committed by not all Israelis but... a group of Ultra right-wing fringe racists. These are in fact, the same group of lunatics who assassinated Israel's own democratically elected Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. This radical right-wing Ultra-Orthodox group, by their actions alone show clearly that "they" are the architects of "PURE HATE"and that "they" driving force behind what is happening in Israel today.

So Mr. Bieski it is plain for everyone to see, your actions are directed, signed by your own right-wing lunitic fringe group.

So far Mr. Bleski... you haven't convinced me that you are a victim and, and that what is going on here is... self defense... Your actions tell a different story of your and show clear intent to "Profit Monetarily" and clear plan designed to create misery and pain in your neighbors lives with intent to steal their property.

It also shows clearly your own personal involvement profiting and yes, also guilt.

I base my conclusion on concrete facts and solid observations and not on a Right Wing disingenuous (smoke screen) propaganda.

Conclusion:
"It is hard to still PLAY a victim when you are the "only one's" that are bulldozing peoples homes and causing orchestrated planned and implemented living hell in peoples lives. "

Like I said before... Mr Bleski.... It is "less about talk" and, MORE... about "Ones Own Actions and involvement".

I asked you before:

Are you a paid activist assigned to be here?

Being a Paid Activist Mr. Blesky: As you know...., activists are employed and paid to post opinions full time. Most have numerous accounts and are paid to cover other places and blogs on the internet.

Bleski you responded to that question= You have been Paid... By your own admission... You have a condo in a settlement in the center of Bulldozed lands... As you put it Mr. Bleski; " Such a Great Deal and Great Investment"!!!

The problem is Mr. Bleski, that the whole world is paying for your great deal living in your illegal condos settlements. The world is paying with all of our tax money and the blood of all "our children". Your Great deal.... Is the Cause of the problems that the world faces today. We are all paying for your "Lovely view of the Judean hills from the balcony. "

[Bieski's own Quote:]
@bleski: "I do indeed have a property in Islamic occupied Judea and Samaria. It was a great investment and cheap too. Lovely view of the Judean hills from the balcony. It's just a pity we have to deal with the illegal Arab colonialists terrorising us and trying to murder our women and children."

[End Quote]

The world as a whole... are all paying a very dear price for your own personal ill gotten gains...

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bleski:

I get it, Israel made the desert bloom and the "Palestinains" that are complaining don't have any real claim because they are all immigrants from foreign lands and never had a state to begin with.

Here's the problem with that though, they're called facts...

"Palestinians" indeed never lived in a country called Palestine, but that isn't because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. Every empire in the region stretching to the beginning of civilization had Israel/Palestine under their control. Does this mean that only Romans lived there when they controlled it? Or that only Turks lived there when the Ottomans did? Did the color palate of the region turn stark white when the British controlled it? NO!

It was the same people that had lived there for centuries... and these people on the whole, were Arabs. Arabs without a nation state, but with houses and land and businesses and families.

You may prefer to pretend like all Jewish land before 1967 was always theirs, but the history books (and my Palestinian Grandmother who WAS actually there) say otherwise. Militant gangs of zionists murdered entire villages in the wake of an independent Israel. My family fled the violence to Lebanon for several months. Upon their return the state of Israel had claimed their house, their property and anything left in their bank accounts.

This is a story that has happened to countless Palestinian families. Many of the people who had their property taken ARE EVEN STILL ALIVE TODAY. And all they want is their land back. Perhaps If I do some digging I can find some historical reason to go and kick you out of your house.

That is what you are arguing right? That thousand year old land claims are more valid than demographic reality? That its perfectly acceptable for Israel to deny the rights and legitimate property claims for an entire group of people simply because Jews controlled (parts) of the territory thousands of years ago?

Also, regarding the whole rise in Cancer rates; Dirty weapons leave dirty messes. I'm a survivor of Hodgkins Lymphoma (the cancer mentioned). It occurs when the immune system is compromised. If everyone in a region is seeing a greater spike in Hodgkin's, its because something is affecting a collective resource. Maybe its time for Israel to evaluate whats more important; punishing their neighbors or protecting their own citizens (and no, plowing through Gaza or Beirut and killing civilians is not protecting Israel.)

"Antisemitic hysteria. Flagged for hate speech and racism but I'm not holding my breath for action from current."

I thought you supported freedom of speech. You criticized me before for flagging some of your statements.

wow funnicus spreading anger and hate all without the use of full sentences

Fuck Israel.

Perhaps the Israeli people will stand up and say to their leaders "Enough!"
For I am sure that the general population tires of the politics and posturing.

What about ProSemitic Hysteria?

@bielski, you put way too much importance on your history while ignoring the present and the future. You use your past as a justification to engage in the behaviors that are garnering the condemnation of many, many nations.

You cannot defend your current actions with the actions of unrelated parties of the past.

I do indeed have a property in Islamic occupied Judea and Samaria. It was a great investment and cheap too. Lovely view of the Judean hills from the balcony. It's just a pity we have to deal with the illegal Arab colonialists terrorising us and trying to murder our women and children.

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No end to your BS. Hey, it pays the bills... Right?

Maybe you bleski and your buddy "freecrack" both have nice NEW houses in the settlements?

So then, you need all that hog wash to justify the theft and development of the Palestinian lands.

But Regardless... it is still all BS.

The answer is simple.

No children should die and... No families should have their homes bulldozed.

Realize....
If my neighbor bulldozed my home I would be more than upset. "Even you" would be more than upset if your homes were bulldozed.

But, that is what has been going on here. Realize... If you were in their shoes.... and your family home was bulldozed... how would you like that?

THINK....

Because that is the reality here.... NO ONE WANTS THEIR HOME DESTROYED! There is no justification that you or, anyone can give that changes that simple basic fact.

That is easy for all of us to understand...

UPDATE: =============================

Mr. bleski's "New admission"... [ quote]:

"I do indeed have a property in Islamic occupied Judea and Samaria. It was a great investment and cheap too. Lovely view of the Judean hills from the balcony. It's just a pity we have to deal with the illegal Arab colonialists terrorising us and trying to murder our women and children.

[end quote]
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Mr.Bleski clearly is personally benefiting from the thefts and misery and deaths from the ongoing planned acts of Apartheid.

As Mr.Bleski enjoys his fine view of the Judean hills from his balcony on the bulldozed lands typing away on his computer to Current.com his own justifications of his wind fall and great deal and investment as we see clearly the price other people have paid and are paying for his biased luxury....

His admission only re-confirms that clearly biased content of all his posts: Being.... that you are not part of the solution... then you are clearly a part of the problem.

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The Ongoing Acts Of Apartheid Today:

There is forced segregation between Israeli settlers and Palestine's citizens, with a complex pass system required for Arabs to traverse Israel's multiple checkpoints. An enormous wall snakes through populated areas of what is left of the West Bank, constructed on wide swaths of bulldozed trees and property of Arab families, obviously designed to acquire more territory and to protect the Israeli colonies already built.

Combined with this wall, Israeli control of the Jordan River Valley will completely enclose Palestinians in their shrunken and divided territory.

Gaza is surrounded by a similar barrier with only two openings, still controlled by Israel. The crowded citizens have no free access to the outside world by air, sea, or land.

The Palestinian people are now being deprived of the necessities of life by economic restrictions imposed on them by Israel.

The UN has reported food supplies in Gaza equivalent to those among the poorest families in sub-Sahara Africa, with half the families surviving on one meal a day.

IT ALL GETS DOWN TO THIS...

"Self-defense" is not... stealing property and re-developing it for profit.

Real simple and easy for everyone to understand.

it all comes down to... A very simple question of "Right & Wrong"

"Do on to others as you would like done on to yourself."
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The word Palestine was coined by the Romans to mock the indigenous people of the area. After the end of Roman rule the term disappeared until resurrected by the British after the surrender of the Ottoman Empire in World War I. The British Mandate of Palestine was created at that time. There were no Palestinians then- just Jews, Arabs and other ex-subjects of the Ottoman Empire.

The Ottomans were foreign Islamic conquerors and before them there was a succession of foreign rulers in the region going back to Roman times. Until the establishment of the modern State of Israel, there had been no locally based sovereign state in the area; the previous such state was also known as Israel, which was disestablished by the Romans.

No Islamic state; not a single one, regarded Jerusalem as its capital. It is now the capital of the Jewish State of Israel and the last sovereign state (other than the Crusader kings)to have it as its capital was the Kingdom of Israel.

So it was never Palestinian land. There was never, ever a sovereign state called Palestine. No such state exists even now.

Two states were created out of the British Mandate of Palestine. One is Arab and the other is Jewish. The Arab state has the bigger slice of the Mandate of Palestine and is now called the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is ruled by foreigners imported by the British. After the defeat of the Hashemite king of Hejaz by the Saudi clan of Nejd, the British gave them the Arab state created out of the Mandate of Palestine.

The Saudi clan conquered Hejaz and annexed it to Nejd to create the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

The Hashemite rulers brought with them their bureaucrats and army from Hejaz. The local population, mainly Arab-speaking Christians, were marginalised.

So the Palestinians already have a sovereign state. It is called Jordan

bleski,

Are you a paid activist assigned to be here?

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So It is... all about "B.S."

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Again much too much BS.

I have spent a little time in the court room and know very well the tactics of confusing the issues. That is a game....

I also know the difference between "the game" and true honest answers...

Bleski, I am sorry to say: You are... "All Game" and NO BALL !

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Ah well. Pearls before swine. Hopefully, somebody with a mind, heart and a soul will read the above and LEARN. But obviously not you. Bye bye and have a nice evening.

Many Arabs moved to Palestine on the back of the prosperity brought by the returning Jews during the first half of the 20th century. Between 1922 and 1947, the Arab population in Palestine rose by 120 per cent. And they regarded themselves as mainly Syrian. In 1937, the Peel Commission found that the Palestinian Arabs and their kinsmen in Syria ‘clung to the principle that Palestine was part of Syria and should never have been cut off from it’.
The idea that the Jews kicked out the indigenous Arabs was also a myth. The Jews bought most of the land from the Arabs —mainly absentee Arab landlords — as many Arab sources have testified, such as King Abdullah of Transjordan, who wrote that the Arabs were ‘as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping’.
The second great myth of injustice is that the Jews drove out the Arabs when Israel was created in 1948. But the evidence is that most of them fled because they were told to do so by the Arab world. Various Arab newspapers excoriated those who were abandoning their houses and businesses. Syria’s Prime Minister after 1948, Khaled al Azm, wrote in his memoirs: ‘Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees. while it was we who made them leave…We brought disaster upon the refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave…We have rendered them dispossessed…’ The Economist, never a friend of Israel, reported that the most potent factors for the Arabs’ flight were ‘the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive urging the Arabs to quit…It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades’.
Only very recently a columnist in the Palestinian Authority’s official paper, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, acknowledged the same thing. The columnist, Mahmud Al-Habbash, wrote that in 1948, Palestinian Arabs left their homes willingly under the instruction of their own Arab leaders and their false promises of a prompt return. And if we’re talking refugees, there were more Jewish refugees from Arab lands than Arabs who fled Israel. Far from being a European imposition, half of Israel’s population came from the Arab world where an estimated 800,000 were forced out during that period alone, almost double the number of 472,000 Arabs who fled Palestine, according to figures from the UN Mediator on Palestine.

The fact is that there never was an independent state of Palestine. Judea was renamed Palestine when the Romans conquered it to erase its Jewish history. And the period of Arab rule was actually very short, lasting less than one century. During the following centuries Palestine was under protracted periods of Islamic rule, largely through the Turkish or Byzantine empire which was brought to an end when the Turks were defeated in the First World War. But from the time the Jews of Judea were conquered and exiled, apart from the Jews who remained in Palestine the non-Jews who lived there — who we are told were the ancestors of the Palestinian Arabs who were displaced in 1948 after 1000 years of rule — were actually descended from Latins, Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Algerians, Tartars, Danes, Russians, Nubians. Oh, and Arabs. The only nation for which Palestine was the historic national home was actually the Jews.
Even under the Mandate, the Arabs in Palestine did not regard themselves as a people seeking nationhood at all. Very few were there before the Jews arrived. The Palestine Royal Commission reported in 1913 that on the road from Gaza to the north, ‘no orange groves orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached Yabna [a Jewish village]… the western part towards the sea was almost a desert… The villages in this area were few and thinly populated’. Sherif Hussein, the guardian of holy places in Arabia, wrote: ‘The resources if the country are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants’.

The animus against Israel’s occupation of this territory after the 1967 war is therefore not really about the behaviour or attitudes of the settlers or the Israeli military. It is based on the perception of gross injustice – of a land that has been stolen from its rightful owners. It is not surprising therefore that people with perfectly decent instincts are enraged by the continued ‘occupation’ of the West Bank. But they have been led to believe something that is not true.
For a start, Israel’s occupation of this territory is perfectly legal and legitimate as an act of self defence, after a war of aggression against it in 1967, against an enemy that refused to abandon its aggression. But at a deeper level still, the idea that Israel had no locus in this territory until 1967 is simply false. This West Bank land was never owned by the Palestinians. It was part of the post-Ottoman Empire Mandate administered by Britain until Israel’s creation in 1948. Following the war of extermination waged by the Arabs against the fledgling Israel at its creation, Judea and Samaria – as they then were – were illegally occupied by Jordan, and became ‘the West Bank’ as a result.
Furthermore, and even more significant, Judea and Samaria were part of Mandatory Palestine, within which Britain was enjoined to re-establish a Jewish national home. That’s right – the ‘West Bank’ was part of the territory to which the Jews had such a strong historical claim that Britain and the League of Nations decided they should be restored to it. It might astonish you to learn that Hebron, for example, is actually one of the four most sacred Jewish cities. Jews lived there continuously for some 38 centuries — Abraham settled there some 1800 years before Christ – until they were driven out by an Arab pogrom. In 1929, Palestinian Arabs committed a massacre in Hebron in which more than 60 Jews were murdered. Babies were beheaded, rabbis were castrated and there were incidents of rape, torture and mutilation with hands and fingers torn off apparently to rob the bodies of jewellery. The atrocity was so severe that the surviving Jews were evacuated, although some later returned and lived there until the Arab riots in 1936 finally ethnically cleansed this sacred place of its Jews.
To be told that Hebron is a place where Jews have no claim is therefore nauseating beyond belief.

No Bleski, That is Just more BS...

Here's some information. I hope it's not too much for you:

For the rights in such land, whether or not it is registered, are in no way equivalent to what would be commonly called private property. Rather, it is more a form of feudal tenancy:
‘The land tenures of Ottoman law consist of various modes of user the features of which are set out in the Ottoman Land Code… Most of the land [in Palestine] is held under two distinct tenures commonly referred to as mulk and miri. Mulk means “property.” The tenure called mulk is a private ownership tenure. Land so owned may be called “allodial” land. It is held in absolute ownership. The holder has almost unfettered freedom in regard to its use and disposition. Miri is a conditional usufruct tenure of land held by grant from the state. The holder or possessor is a usufructury whose tenure resembles a leasehold, subject to certain limitations on the use and disposition of the land and to the payment of certain fees.’ (p225-226)
That is, what Peace Now is calling ‘private Palestine land’ is under the Ottoman Code at best miri land, and it is therefore not privately owned. It is rather land in which a person is granted by the state a limited right of use (whence the term usufruct). And contrary to Peace Now, the land remains the property of the state, and therefore in no way does it revert to the state only if there is a failure to cultivate. Miri land – the land of the Emir, or equivalently, of the sovereign – is state land, period. In addition, regarding the West Bank, there is under the Ottoman Code another very important category of land known as mewat, or ‘dead land,’ which was deceptively unmentioned by Peace Now. Mewat land, according to the Survey is:
‘… unallocated or waste areas situated beyond the confines of inhabited regions which can only be rendered cultivable by special effort… Nowadays, the development of “waste” land without prior leave from the State is legally a trespass. The conclusion is that mewat should have no significance and should be deemed undeveloped “vacant land” proper which cannot be possessed except by allocation from the State.’ (p 233)
This category is important, since, as pointed out by a different British Mandate source:
‘Practically all the unoccupied land of Palestine is mewat and cannot be occupied without the permission of the Government.’ (Palestine and Transjordan, p 210; Great Britain, Naval Intelligence Division, 1943). The same source offers a further definition of mewat land:
‘Mewat is ownerless land, at a minimum distance of a mile and a half from the nearest inhabited town or village. Another system of measurement is, sufficiently distant from such a town of village that the voice of a man shouting there cannot be heard.’ (p 210)
That is, much of what Peace Now is terming ‘private Palestinian land’ is in fact state land because it is mewat, and has been considered so for generations. The land on which Ma’ale Adumim was built, for example, was more than a mile and a half from the built up area of the closest Arab village, Al ‘Ayzariyah; the land was also rocky and on a ridge, and had therefore never been inhabited or cultivated. It was therefore clearly mewat land which belonged to the state and not to any private owners.

I Like Bob.... But Mr. Dylan is not the answer to = ("Self-defense" is not... stealing property and re-developing it for profit.)

No bleski, that still is even more BS.

Your still avoiding.

One more time.... This time.... Keep it simple!

"Self-defense" is not... stealing property and re-developing it for profit.

Real simple and easy to understand.

it all comes down to... A very simple: "Right & Wrong"

Okay, Lets try this again.... But this time... without all the extra BS.

Then write him a personal deluded narcissist note to him directly...

And not avoid or confuse the real ongoing thread on the message.

"Self-defense" is not... stealing property and re-developing it for profit.

Real simple and easy to understand.

it all comes down to... Right & Wrong

No more BS...

"Self-defense" IS NOT... stealing property and re-developing it for profit.

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@gerardange: Words fail me. Well not quite. This obnoxious prick Gilley is a deluded narcissist who is incapable and unwilling to perceive the reality of evil and to understand its nature. He's worse than a moron, he's a menace. A truly nauseating individual and a product of a country that is experiencing collective brain death. His documentary posted here is quite excruciating to watch as he canoodles with fascists and dictators, kidding his soft brained ego into thinking he can change them. WTF!

What don't you understand... ?

The reality is simple.... ALL Killing and ALL bulldozing family homes are ALL crimes...

"Self-defense" is not... stealing property and re-developing it for profit.

To have any peace or any respect at all... all crimes must stop!

No more BS please....

So now we can see how Richard Goldstone thinks he has preserved his judicial reputation while perpetrating a blood libel against Israel. He has produced a report which, as anticipated, finds that Israel committed all the ‘war crimes’ during Operation Cast Lead of which his Mission members had decided it was guilty before even starting their deliberations, along with the NGOs whose unremitting hostility and malice towards Israel and history of peddling Palestinian propaganda as fact did not deter the Mission from uncritically accepting their evidence as the truth, thus finding Hamas guilty of no crimes at all -- except one. That was, by an amazing coincidence, the one set of crimes it committed which the world was forced to acknowledge actually happened – the firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel with the sole intention of killing Israeli civilians. By referring to this en passant, devoting minimal attention to it in the course of his 570- page report the vast majority of which is devoted to allegations against Israel, he engineered the ‘even-handed’ headline he needed to maintain his credibility:

There is evidence that both Israeli and Palestinian forces committed war crimes in the recent Gaza conflict, the official UN report says.

With this cynical veneer, Goldstone does worse even than establish a moral equivalence between the instigators of genocidal violence and those who were attempting to defend themselves against it. He presents Israel, the victims of such aggression, as war criminals and the Palestinians, the actual instigators of terror, as its victims. This is not moral equivalence but moral inversion.

He acknowledges no such crimes by Hamas within Gaza itself -- not least against other Palestinians -- such as turning the entire population of Gaza into hostages by siting its rockets and terrorist infrastructure amongst that population and additionally using them as human shields.

(To clarify, this is quite different from the intra-Palestinian violations of human rights he found took place as a result of the violence between Fatah and Hamas).

Even worse, he presents the Palestinian aggressors as victims of Israel, requiring Israel to make reparation to those from whose houses and streets it was being attacked. No reparations to Israel are required from any Palestinians, even though Goldstone accepts that Hamas committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing thousands of missiles at its civilians.

right like there arent any scarred up disfigured jews as a result of hammas endorsed terrorism?
it only goes one way?
btw im fairly certain thats a pic of a harlequin victim not white phosferous
i would hate to distort your propaganda but ohwell

you know what he has to say about this.
3rd graders can figure out what his take on this would be.
dont confuse an expected recourse as a right recourse gerardange.
if human beings are falibable by our nature, then thier system of judgement is falible asweel making what seems reasonable(beheading people who think the earth is round)the status quo but not necessarily the right thing to do.
leaving the options to effect situations or let them happen as they may.
the palastinian govt and the israeli govt chose to effect situations to satisfy thier people thus giving them power.
taking land comes with the result of anger on the part of the people whos land you took
and suicide bombers cause nations to clamp down on thier borders
the people of gaza support hamas enough to let them keep power(check out iran or myanmar if you think they dont) and choose to not prevent katusha rocket fire and suicide bombers knowing full well what we all know by ten will happen as a result.
it doesnt make it right
tragic more than anything else but a fact none the less.
its the genesis of hate
happening in front of our eyes as a specticle all because of the choices made

hmm... where's highroller? i wonder what he has to say about this?

@cynker

woah! Biblical understanding, we are in the last episode of the truth about Israelites true identity..

@mjseydel

thanks..at least i know who i am you are talking about...

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silly...nobody ever noticed why Israel needs to fight against their own country..because of many evil deeds...

OH the irony of this whole thing, its absolutely delicious.

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I am not offended, This is your position, not mine... If all you want to do is try to do is equate every act that has been done as a justification all Justifies of the on-going acts of Apartheid? Well, that is what goes on in your head my friend, But, not mine.

I have no axe to grind here... I see both sides clearly. I have very good friends who are on both sides of the ugly mess. Your position.... is not what all Jews feel... just some. There are many groups on both sides; Just as Hamas does not represent all of the Palestinian people. Nor does Jewish fundamentalism and the Likud represent all the jews. Thank God that there are moderates on both sides of this issue.

Now, for you to take a position of justification then... accept the Profiteering of the Theft of the Land of the people of Palestine... By doing that.... all your credibility is lost.

I find it rather amusing for you to totally "AVOID" any mention of the obvious and be so distracted with the importance of "justification process" you have lost site of the realities of that acts of being an occupier... And see that the whole world is watching these on-going acts of Apartheid. Yet you choose not mention any these on going acts and the development of the stolen Palestinian people's lands... but only the justification.

But, to be so blind not to see the immorality of these ongoing acts.... While you and I and the world see the thefts seeing the vast amounts of profits being made of the development of the stolen Palestinian people's lands... And in your mind...because of your self justification. That you conclude: That what is happening it is not a crime and, that all the Palestinian people all collectively deserve to have their homes bulldozed and re-developed as Jewish super settlements? Your rationale... is absurd!

You have no Argument. Any Justification you claim to have... is "only your mind" and not minds of others.

And in reality: Those acts are clear violations International Law. ( No Justification needed.)

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As I said before: It has changed from a story of self defense to a story of control, occupation, profit and apartheid.

yes thier choices.
i know you are offended at that because you read my intent as to be an israeli justifier. i accept israel has done aggregious wrongs not only to muslum arabs but jewish arabs aswell.
but strictly speaking of facts yes the palastinians find them selves suffering as a result of thier choices.
1-electing a govt who denies the option of peace with israel in its charter means when they cry for help alot of people feel less sympathy than they deserve feeling like well you voted for the war mongers, wich is part of why they are stuck where they are
2-when the haganah, the irgun, and other revolutionaries rose up against the british the arabs took the british side and despite israel earning the regions freedom the palastinians refused that freedom to the jewish populas. they refused to live together or as two states. they insisted on war over reconsiliation.
3-if they didnt use suicide bombers in the name of god the israeli wall wouldnt have any viable reason to exist.
4-gaza shares a border with egypt that the egyptians wont open. either the egyptians want to destroy them or the palastinians pissed them off royaly aswell

They used depleted uranium? I guess thats their long term plan on dealing with the Palestinians?