Wny the 911 Truth Movement 'Cannot be Stopped'

Re: "All I know is it wasn't nearly big enough."

Absolutely !! Several simple facts UTTERLY DISPROVE the official theory.

1) As you say, NOT BIG ENOUGH. An airliner weighs about 80 tons, as I recall. Unless the laws of the conservation and matter and energy has been repealed, an airliner weighing 80 tons will leave behind 80 tons of debris unless it was NUKED.

2) Bush patisans try to explain away the fact that NO FUESELAGE was found. It 'vaporized' they say. I have checked hundreds of scientific and university sources. Aluminum vaporizes at 11000 degrees F. According to NASA that is 1000 degrees hotter than the surface of the sun.

3) It is said that victims were DNA identified (IDd) But --the US Dept of Energy itself is the source for the fact that DNA literally 'MELTS' at temperatures --as I recall --about 400 degrees F, certainly WELL UNDER 1000 degrees F and about 10000 degrees short of the heat required to VAPORIZE the fuselage.

So --which is it? Did the fuselage vaporize OR were the victims IDd?

Which is it?

4) The OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT was released to Dr. Olmsted in to his FOIA request. There are no arab names on the list; no ARABS were autopsied.

5) AA (confirmed with a WHOIS look-up of the IP address) stated in a change it made to a Wikipedia article that AA flights said to have been involved in 911 were, in fact, not scheduled to fly that day. Nor is there any record that they were put back into service in time to crash into the buildings that they were said to have crashed into.

These are just a few of MANY FATAL flaws that utterly disprove Bush's official conspiracy theiry.

It did not help Bush's case that he ordered the destruction of material evidence. Innocent people are not 'motivated' to destroy evidence; in fact, one is nuts if he/she should destroy evidence that might exonerate one of charges. ONLY the guilty are motivated to destroy evidence or, in any way, suppress it.

While his order may or may not be probable cause to indict in and of itself, it is not difficult to imagine a FEDERAL PROSECUTER summing up his case to a jury considering whether or not Bush should hang for his role in 911. Such a prosecutor may ask rhetorically: "Why would an INNOCENT man order the destruction of evidence that would PROVE his innocence? Only those who are guilty have a stake, indeed, are MOTIVATED to destroy the very evidence that would convict them."

i think the aluminum was so hot that it fragmented and then was swept into dustpans and thrown in the trash can. That is where the plane is!
This plane was not traveling at the speed of sound it was traveling faster than that-- it cruises at mach 1

Nonsense and idiotic. 757s weigh some 80 tons! Your assignment: look up the 'conservation of matter and energy'! Jet fuel is kerosene. Kerosene does NOT, cannot, vaporize Aluminum. A 757 crash anywhere leaves behind some 80 tons of wreckage. The only debris left behind at the Pentagon was carried off on a wooden platform held aloft by about four or five skinny geeks! Four or five skinny geeks could not lift 80 tons of anything.

You are going to bring back "duh" !
The gov't investigate itself? It's your job actually the videos are on youtube. When you already know the truth, you don't ask for a re-opened investigation, you know better.
That's like asking the burglar to help you figure out who robbed your house.

Most of 911 was damage control after their plan failed miserably. I have learned not to connect the dots, but I lay out the dots. Connect them and they will call you crazy. Sometimes reality is indeed stranger than fiction.

When (if) you say building 7, a concrete and steel structure collapsed after a few hours of some office furniture burning, I gotta admit you sound stupid. These three wtc buildings are the ONLY concrete and steel structures in all of history to collapse due to fire. Does your bbq collapse after a few hours? it doesn't even have concrete and it's made of cheap metal. Their plan included a plane that was supposed to hit building 7. This is key. If it was a plan (which was to invade the middle east) then they would have had complete info and knowledge of passengers etc. They whispered to Bush in the classroom about the missing building 7 impact plane. That explains the "I'm busted" look on the pig GWB's face.

Wait... They're claiming a missile? If it was a missile it would have the same problem as a plane, they are made out of aluminum too. Also There just aren't any missiles with that kind of force. Even anti-ship missiles don't have this kind of juice. The united states doesn't really even build conventional tactical rockets. The closest rocket based thing we have that might to this kind of damage is an MLRS, and that doesn't fire one rocket if fires several dozen, and they're cluster bombs, which would have produced something completely different in character. The Russians do but even their big big daddies like the various Scuds don't have warheads that would do nearly the level of damage shown here. There is ample examples available from Saddam's attacks on Israel and it's a whole other quantum level of damage.

The absence of evidence if not evidence. The official autopsy report was released to Dr Olmstead as the result of an FOIA request! Guess what --there were NO Arab names on the list! If there is no evidence that there were Arab hijackers, there is, then, no evidence that they were ever on the flight. If they were never on the flight, Bush lied!

In fact, the Washington Post reported than Hani Hanjour --said to have piloted Fl 77 --was not on board because he did NOT have a ticket!

Moreover, official flight data released via an FOIA by the Bureau of Transportation Safety (BTS) indicates that the cockpit door on Flt 77 was NEVER opened after the pilot and co-pilot had settled in! So --are you expecting us to believe that Hani Hanjour (however talented he may be) managed to walk through a closed door? Get real!

At last --only ONE engine rotor was recovered among Pentagon debris. It is about 1/3 the size of each of TWO much, much larger rotors that would have been found had a 757 crashed into the Pentagon. They were NOT found simply because a 757 (which AA says was not scheduled to fly) did not fly, was not hijacked and DID NOT crashed into the Pentagon.

Had a 757 crashed into the Pentagon, it could have been reassembled as was the wreckage of the craft that exploded in flight above Lockerbie Scotland! Debris was scattered over the township and much of the countryside. Guess what!!!! All of it was recovered and the aircraft re-assembled.

Live with it --Bush and his entire administration LIED about 911 and they lied in order to cover their guilty asses, obstruct justice, hoax the American people into support various oil wars in the Middle East! In all of the history of jurisprudence, no innocent person has EVER destroyed the very evidence that would have exonerated him/her! Bush, by contrast, ordered the DESTRUCTION of evidence that had it not been destroyed would have hanged his sorry, treasonous, lying ass!

Re: "Does he have the mad scientist genius IQ it would take to pull off a conspiracy on this level? "

Bullsh_t !!

If Bush were in any way smart, he would not have left so many clues and dead give aways.

If he were smart, no one would have suspected him.

If he were smart, he would not have COOKED UP kooky cover stories that only MORONS believe!

Only MORONS believe other MORONS!

Bush's official conspiracy theory of 911 is hardly the work of genius and had it been no one would have been the wiser.

Bush had only raw power on his side as the result of a FRAUDULENT ELECTION in which Robert Novak said: "The Democrats are trying to steal this election by counting votes'. Later, Antonin Scalia would TOP even that by ruling that the recount shoud stop while Bush was still ahead.

Genius ?? Only when compared to utter MORONS who fell for it !!!

No facts in your response, just speculation. Raw power alone would not be enough to pull off something of this magnitude.

Re: "No facts in your response, just speculation. "

You didn't cite any facts. I merely pointed out the fallacies in your post. Moreover, I am NOT the one pushing a theory. That's the the job of Bush-heads. Those who assert must prove or, at least, support what they assert.

Re: "Raw power alone would not be enough to pull off something of this magnitude."

Now --THAT is raw, sheer speculation.

If you BELIEVE Bush's theory --then PROVE it.

If you BELIEVE a 757 crashed the Pent, show me the wreckage and prove it.

IF you believe a 757 was hijacked, show me an OFFICIAL AUTOPSY report with names of the 'alleged' hijackers on it. (you cannot because it had been released and there are NO hijacker, no ARAB names, on the list.

[BTW --a mere 'passenger list' is NOT evidence admissible in court. An AUTOPSY report, certified by a coroner, IS admissible in court. It is bona fide evidence]

If you BELIEVE that a 757 crashed into the Pent, show me TWO titanium/steel alloy rotors of almost ten feet diameter. Only ONE rotor was recovered. It's about ONE THIRD that size.

If you believe a 757 crashed the Pent, show me the wreckage. How about a fuselage???? Show me a fuselage.

Bush kiss ups have actually stated that the fires were so intense the fuselage VAPORIZED. That's crap! What is the source of such mysterious head? Secondly, AL, according to any scientific paper, any University or think tank vaporizes at 11000 degrees F. According to NASA that is 1000 degrees hotter than the surface of the sun! If Bush kiss ups persist, then they must explain the source of such intense, astronomical heat !!

Undeterred, Bush morons insist that Arabs were DNA IDd !! But if the fuselage vaporized --as they also believe --then the DNA would have literally 'melted' .So ---WHICH IS IT? Were bodies IDd via DNA OR did the fuselage vaporize?

Which is it? I cannot be both ways.

"MELT" is the very word used used in numerous scientific papers to describe what happens to DNA when subjected to heat. See: US Energy Department, Molecular Biology Archive, DNA Decomposition

Then there is the case of Flight 93. Saeed Alghamdi has been protesting his innocence of 911 since the event.

If Saeed were guilty, he would be dead!

The official theory is bunkum and BS .

If you believe it, PROVE IT..

I've lost patience with the idiotic persistence in this pernicious and evil 'fairy tale'. It proves just how EDUCATION has deteriorated since the rise of Ronald Reagan and the GOP

The dictum in both LAW and debate is: those who assert must prove. You are, obviously, asserting by proxy Bush's official conspiracy theory. If so --PROVE IT. Cite a SINGLE VERIFIABLE FACT TO SUPPORT IT.

The ONLY shred of evidence (surviving the wholesale) destruction of evidence following 911) was the OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT that was released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA request.

Guess what: there is NOT A SINGLE ARAB NAME on the list.

Simply, there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support Bush's conspiracy theory.

The irrational belief in something for which there is no evidence, let alone proof, is called either PSYCHOSIS or RELIGION. Which is it in your case? Or you religious? Or --are you just psychotic?

Indeed, Rumsfeld said that...and, as I recall, it was also stated by at least one other high official.

The fact that only one engine rotor was recovered is consistent with a much smaller craft, say, a US Global Hawk that was, prior to 911, given a shake down cruise from California to Australia completely by remote control.

the US Global Hawk is a pay load carrying craft whose SINGLE engine rotor is just about the right size based upon examination of photos.

A 757, by contrast, has TWO much, much larger rotors, almost three times as big. They are of a TITANIUM/STEEL alloy and would have survived the mere kerosene fire that would have followed.

I could go on and on and on about the glaring holes and inconsistencies in the official conspiracy theory.

Basically --there is absolutely NO verifiable evidence to support it.

Even the Washington Post said that Hani Hanjour did not have a ticket and could not have been on board. Yet --it is widely stated and widely believed that skinny Hani forced his way on board without a ticket.

BUNKUM !!

Secondly, Hanjour's name does not appear on the ONLY official document to have emerged from the Pentagon crash --the OFFICIAL AUTOPSY report of victims. It was released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA request. None of the alleged hijackers are on the list. In fact, there are NO ARAB NAMES on the list whatsoever.

Bottom line: there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to support Bush's official conspiracy theory of 911. None.

The dictum in both law and debate is this: those who assert must prove! Buscho merely asserted; there is, in fact, no evidence at all which proves, confirms or even supports the OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY of 911.

Yeah man, it's a conspiracy>

Re: "Yeah man, it's a conspiracy> "

You obviously believe it was a conspiracy of 19 Arabs!

There is as much evidence that it was ALI BABA and his forty thieves.

Rumseld --perhaps inadvertently --told the truth! It was --indeed --a missile that crashed into the Pentagon. Only ONE engine rotor was found. It is about the right size to have been the rotor from the Roll-Royce manufactured engine that is used on the U.S. Global Hawk. Engine rotors are made of Titanium-Steel alloy to withstand interior engine heat! Had a 757 crashed into the Pentagon TWO rotors (each about 3 times the size of the only rotor found) would have been found. The were not! In short --NO WRECKAGE OF ANY SORT traceable to an AIRLINER OF ANY sort was ever found at the Pentagon. Any believing the official bullshit story, it nuts and/or stupid!

The Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building

are you new to the internet?

Yeah what about it?

By modern standards the B25 just barely exceeds the standard of a small commuter aircraft, was empty of fuel, and in any case was a piston engine aircraft and used regular gasoline rather than jet fuel which is very different stuff. There is no comparison. What made the 9/11 planes dangerous were not that they were made o metal but that they were giant canisters filled with jet fuel traveling at what in the case of the pentagon aircraft could have for all we know been near super sonic speed. Even world war II prop planes can get up next to the sound barrier if they're heavy and willing to power dive from height.

If the pentagon plane for instance was able to create an FAE detonation it would be unsurprising if there wasn't any aircraft to find. In gas leak based instances when this happens there often isn't any house to find. One would think something like that would have done more damage to the structure though.

There was no plane or fuel in building 7. There's your test. Just light an office trash can on fire, and watch a steel and concrete frame building fall for the first time in history. (actually the third if you count the two towers) Scientists like me already know it was an inside job and we don't need to do any such tests. Nor do we watch mythbusters. That's for the ignorant masses.

@funnica completely inadequate. This is why i chose the conspiracy theory examples i did.

Spontaneous combustion was defended for years based on the fact that no accelerants could be found and the fire was limited in area. It just never occurred to anyone that the accelerants were coming from the already dead bodies of the combustees.

As for the stendec transmissions the refrain remained for 40 years, "where's the plane?" We knew long ago what almost certainly happened but without actual Habeas corpus there were still people who simply wouldn't shut up about it. Then on cue like clockwork the part of the glacier that held the plane finally flowed down to a point where it melted and divulged it's contents and the "mystery" went away for good.

Something happened, and it did not violate the laws of physics. That said we know very little about what happens when an object the size of a sky scraper filled to the rafters with high temperature fuel plows into a concrete building at very close to the speed of sound.

Speed has very little to do with it! Aluminum has NEVER, EVER penetrated hard, industrial steel! Check the physics sections at M.I.T. and other credible online sights.

Numerous attempts have been made and written up --attempts to melt or weaken industrial steel at Kerosene fire temps! Clue --kerosene has very little effect on it and JET FUEL is Kerosene. I have an idea --if you believe the official bullshit story, get a steel beam from your local salvage company! Create a KEROSENE fire! Throw a steel beam into the blaze! When it melts or even softens, get back with me! Lotsa luck!

thanks for the post.

Indeed, that's the way would-be tyrants have always done it.

And what is turth?

I'm a pretty bad one for typos, and this is not a stone i should be throwing, but it's hard not to notice when it's the primary noun in the headline.