Atheists in America are the most widely mistrusted group
source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/200908/atheists-are-the-most-mistruste...
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To the question, "I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group," [...] Again, the least desired group were the atheists.
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How do you feel about these findings? Do they seem accurate to you or do you think it's an exaggeration? Have you or someone you know is an atheist suffered discrimination or mistrust due to their lack of religious faith?
As an atheist myself, I can definitely see where this would be a fairly accurate finding, as many people I've disclosed my atheism to seem much more wary of me than they did before learning of it. I feel that the writer of this particular article dramatizes it more than I would have, but the core message is the same. Why are so many Americans so vehemently opposed to atheism?
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keabler
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This is acutate, well atleast the core message is. Most Americans cannot even imagine life without religon because it has been such a crutch In their life. Furthermore most rligous people cannot stomach the idea that the idea that they have based their entire lif off of is false. I do agree that athirsm is probably at it's highest acceptance rate in recent history, I do believe that this does not concen the aricle.
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keabler
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keabler
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This is acutate, well atleast the core message is. Most Americans cannot even imagine life without religon because it has been such a crutch In their life. Furthermore most rligous people cannot stomach the idea that the idea that they have based their entire lif off of is false. I do agree that athirsm is probably at it's highest acceptance rate in recent history, I do believe that this does not concen the aricle.
- 2 years ago
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keabler
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keabler
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This is acutate, well atleast the core message is. Most Americans cannot even imagine life without religon because it has been such a crutch In their life. Furthermore most rligous people cannot stomach the idea that the idea that they have based their entire lif off of is false. I do agree that athirsm is probably at it's highest acceptance rate in recent history, I do believe that this does not concen the aricle.
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keabler
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Jjjjason7
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Anything to get rid of the Christians! % ) ( no disrespect to the christians ) ( but yea they gotta go ) ( but no disrespect ) ( but they gotta leave us alone ) ( but no disrespect ) % (...................
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Jjjjason7
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kjoknoswazzup
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Jjjjason7:
Don't worry. We won't always be around. You will have your 3.5 years of absolute terror w/o us. :)
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kjoknoswazzup
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Ragan
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Having read that the conentional religions Protestant, Catholic and Jewish have fallen on hard times. Money isn't flowing like a never ending river. Religious schools are suffering. But no worry for the Atheiist since he has no Church or megachurch with a fantastic overhead and no bills to pay.
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Ragan
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kjoknoswazzup
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It's also pretty cliche to be an atheist right now. Just an FYI.
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kjoknoswazzup
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dusty_red_rivet_head
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kjoknoswazzup:
It's pretty rude to call someone's beliefs "cliche" One could say that it's pretty hateful and extremist to be christian right now, but I know that isn't how all people of faith conduct themselves. Just FYI.
While I would agree with you that many claimed atheists are probably agnostic, the point is they're not of faith. So what does it matter really?
I don't expect science to have all the answers, that's what living life is for, discovering answers. And who says nature is unintelligent? Who says there is no hope without a higher power? Looks like someone needs to not be so closed minded in their views of other's beliefs or lack thereof.
Please, for the benefit of having an intelligent conversation, research atheism before you go giving opinions on it. I could at least say that I've done that with christianity. Aronson has a pretty good book on the subject that does not work so much of the religious bashing angle called Living Without God, maybe you should check that out.
Otherwise, you aren't doing unto others as they would do unto you.
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dusty_red_rivet_head
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kjoknoswazzup
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kjoknoswazzup:
Dusty, don't assume that I haven't researched atheism based on one comment I made that I went out of my freaking way to make lame, b/c that's the only kind of comments the current police don't come after me about or that I haven't already left on this site a hundred times before.
My opinion is that it's cliche to be an atheist right now. And you failed to recall that I did say "I don't want to offend anyone, but I think I'm going to, so I'm sorry." Why did I think I was going to? B/c of my opinion. How would I know this? B/c I am a regular on here and an avid anti-atheism poster.
You said "Otherwise, you aren't doing unto others as they would do unto you."
Okay, so now you want to bring up the blatant reality of sin and the blatant need for salvation? Because that's ultimately what you're doing when you gear the conversation towards right vs. wrong. You're just setting yourself up to have me move in and pull the rug from under your feet. Hopefully I said that nice enough so as to not have broken the sacred current rules.
You said "Who says there is no hope without a higher power?" I can't help it that I'm smart enough to comprehend that something cannot come from nothing, therefore, without God, no, there is no hope. Nothing would exist. Sounds pretty "without hope" to me. I can't teach you how to get what I'm saying. But seriously, do try.
It would be pretty "rude" to follow a God who teaches humanity is going to hell without salvation from Jesus Christ, and NOT tell people about it. Please forgive me for not just standing around when I believe without a doubt, that a person is going to suffer in hell for eternity, without Christ.
So see, it's all a matter of what you define as "rude."
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kjoknoswazzup
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dusty_red_rivet_head
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kjoknoswazzup:
Thank you for seeing that what you said could be seen as rude. I'm sorry you feel you've been subjugated by current's moderating. I didn't know about that and it would be too much to get into a discussion about that here. I can now see that you do offer a fair argument for your viewpoint.
As far as the "doing unto others as they would do unto you" comment, I was just trying to get you to practice what you preach. I wasn't trying to bring up the sin and salvation issues that you face as a believer. Just trying to get you to be consistent (from my point of view) with what you believe. Maybe you see it as already being in line with your beliefs. I'm just trying to get you to bring down consider things from another not just your viewpoint, but from mine as well. I'm okay with you having your beliefs as long as you're okay with me having my dis-beliefs. I'm just asking for a little more mutual respect. Maybe you were just having a bad day.
From what you say now, I'd chalking all of the "hope within nature vs. higher power" and "rudeness" arguments up to difference of beliefs. You definitely do argue your points well when pressed. You just came off as angry and maybe a little short-sighted at first to me the other day, but I can see now that you do think these things through. We just don't share the same beliefs. So our reasoning is not going to align well. So I guess the best thing we could do would be to agree to disagree.
Thanks for the civility.
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dusty_red_rivet_head
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kjoknoswazzup
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Personally, when someone tells me they are "atheist," it leads me to believe they aren't as bright as one would assume. Meaning, well, I can't really explain it. I don't want to offend anyone, but I think I'm going to, so I'm sorry. But I think most atheists are actually agnostics and I think it's silly in a ridiculous sort of way, when a person tells me they are atheist, when really, they are agnostic. There is more proof in the existence of an intelligent designer than there is against this. My no. 1 fav being, DNA, you can't have an intelligent program without an intelligent Programmer.
To expect science to answer all of the mystery before believing in God is ridiculous. The whole point in the mystery is to allow us to experience hope...and this hope is what tells us there is more to come and I wouldn't want to know how it all works during my 100 years on earth. I want something to look forward to. Atheists, to me, are narcissistic in that they seriously believe it's all about us. Well, it's not. It's about God too. And He doesn't owe us a detailed explanation about anything yet he provides enough for us anyway. You just have to be looking for it with a humble heart.
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kjoknoswazzup
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Ragan
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Imagine a billion people still believe in the tooth fairy.
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Ragan:
Imagine if people believed in kissing a frog and it evolving into a prince.
ooh....hold up... - 2 years ago
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Ragan
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Imagine a billion people still believe in the tooth fairy.
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Ragan
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DJMatt2
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Old news but still good for discussion.
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curtisreed
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Consider for a moment that the Nazis were "irreligious" and anti-Christian, as were the Soviets, the Chinese communists, the Cambodians, the Vietnamese communists, Castro...
How many tens of millions died because of the brutal policies of "secular" governments?
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curtisreed
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unclecharlie
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I'm a Christian, and I would trust an atheist just as much as a theist. Atheists believe differently than I do, but so what? I don't care for their constant harping on believers in Christ, which serves no purpose, other than that....Re: atheism, I choose a "live and let live" approach.
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HathamatUSF
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I'm not atheist, but some of my best friends are. I think it's funny how people think if someone is atheist that means they have no moral and/or ethical structure.
After all, according a certain religious friend, "What do they have to live for?"
Ridiculous.
And to the people who claim to be Christian and saying things like this: you have single-handedly ruined whatever Jesus tried to do for us.
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HathamatUSF
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showsomelove
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it doesnt really matter whether atheist are the most detested or not. for anyone to call another persons belief "detested" is very judgemental and inhuman. it underminds'another human's thoughts and beliefs. i am a christian, but honestly the "christian" group has lost so much meaning and has incorporated so much personal wickedness and negativity. i sometimes dont even like to call myself a christian. atheist dont believe that God is and was and will always be. our job isnt to base human relation initiatives on that at all. our job first as human beings is to find connection reguardless of a belief. when i meet someone that is atheist, buddist, satanist, gay, mentally challeneged, from another country, whatever!!!, my first reaction isnt to throw a bible at them. i feel it is more important to relate, understand, and RESPECT them as humans. god loves everyone, anyone, everything! if you are a follower of christ, let people see that through the way you talk and walked to people. if jesus talked to people who were so called possessed, diseased, homeless. etc, with nothing but kindness in his heart. what makes anyone else special? christ was a huge hhhhuuuggeee humanitarian, thats what i believe it is about first. yes believers are supposed to lead people to christ, but how do you expect someone to respect your belief if you are coming at them with full-force spirituality and at the same time being prejudice and calling them detested?
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showsomelove
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remanns
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J_Jammer------I did not mean to imply that the condition [bullying/brow beating/forcing your will and world view on others] was in the least bit unique to any group in particular. I just have a "prepare to resist and hold fast" universal bias. Change should be consensual and come from reasoned argument. The "smaller" faction of any larger group simply needs to take the "resist"mode more to heart.
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remanns
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Atheists,...."the most Hated,,,,,,FEARED and RESPECTED group in America" sounds O.K.to me. Just don't let those Christian bullies kick crucifixes and rosaries in your face. MAN UP! Take a "this is my godless rocket-launcher" approach.
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remanns:
There are bullies on both sides of this thin fence.
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dusty_red_rivet_head
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I think in many ways it's all a big misunderstanding. Atheism is more widespread than society would have you believe. It isn't widely talked about because it makes people uncomfortable.
From an atheist's point of view, I've been uncomfortable talking about it in the past because I've been treated by books, TV, and popular culture as "the other" and because I try to avoid possible annoyances such as "conversion" attempts. I'm sure religious people are also uncomfortable talking about it because not enough of us are proud and vocal about our Atheism as religious people are about their beliefs.
Without more information, the believing world is left to assume that we just believe in nothing, when Atheism is so much more than that.
I could go into the whole negative aspect of it with the religious fanatics on one side and the angry nonbelievers on the other but that part is just way overplayed. A little more openness and understanding on both sides would go a long way.
P.S. Brad Pitt is an Atheist. Take that swooning religious girls!
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dusty_red_rivet_head
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kjoknoswazzup
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dusty_red_rivet_head:
Well perhaps it makes sense then, why he felt little remorse for what he did to his former wife, Jen.
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kjoknoswazzup
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SamuraiDave
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beat the the war drums and preach to the choir, everybody wants to feel special.
And I'm not paying $26 bucks to read a survey. 90% of surveys have inaccurate statistics anyway (and if you take that comment seriously I will kill and your whole family)
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SamuraiDave
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MirrorLake
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Yes, I'm an atheist. Yes, I want to eat your baby.
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MirrorLake
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mindcontrol
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Who cares, what a vapid topic. If you don't want people to discriminate you because you're an atheist... don't call yourself an Atheist. People LOVE their labels though, so go on playing the game... Christian, Jew, Buddhist or Atheist you're all the same, confused people who subscribe to rediculous "ideals" and waste energy defending LABELS.
Love one another and always speak the truth its that simple. You don't need to put a label or name on that, and theres nothing to defend. You're, your own worst enemy!
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mindcontrol
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mindcontrol:
Sure blame atheists. blame the victim.
What you said is intellectually equivalent to if someone said (which I also disagree with very strongly):
"If you do not wish people to discriminate against you for being black... stop calling yourself black."
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"If you do not wish people to discriminate you for being gay... stop calling yourself gay"
Atheism is merely a lack in belief in god. It is a word with a definition, just like the word "black". If one does not believe in god, then he/she is an atheist. Should we stop using words properly to appease bigots? These are words. If we stop using them, we lose t he ability to communicate effectively. I am atheist because I fit the definition of an atheist. It means not one tiny shred of anything beyond not believing that a god exists. So should we abolish all nouns because you can construe them all as labels? Your logic is fatally flawed.
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mindcontrol:
It is a matter of perception how someone takes an insult or a slight or a bad situation. Those that see the good make the bad into good and they actually facilitate change in people's minds. Snide remarks to Christians about the Bible and how they don't follow it don't necessarily bode well for better relations and certainly doesn't prove that Atheist have moral decency without religion.
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JanforGore
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Trustworthiness isn't based on religion or non religion, it is based on character. I wish people would stop using it to pump up or degrade other beliefs or non beliefs. For anyone to assert that any one group is entirely trustworthy based on their being part of that group alone is illogical and false.
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ronnierage
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Maybe it's that alot of humans naturally feel as though they are not self sustaining.?
As if they naturally believe or know that there is something greater than themselves.?
Whatever each individual of that mindsett thinks (be it whatever "religion") they might be upset by the thought of someone not feeling there is a creator or major energy that has the power to help them.
The most important question (in my life so far) has not been weather there is a god, but weather I need a god or not.
I try to be as open minded as possible.
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ronnierage
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BKsaysAction
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As the Agnostic I'll say we'll never know and now lets get on with our lives. Theres better things to do these days than dwindle on this god issue and for the athiests, when you make it that much of an issue you are just as bad as the other team.
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LowShred
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I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where there's a huge integration of different religions. Everyone gets along and no one forces each other's beliefs on another. I'm an Atheist and people don't judge me based on what I believe, but what I do/say. It's a pretty good feeling.
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PureEm
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It's a very 2 sided problem. On one hand, members of organized religions have a tendency to force their beliefs upon others. From personal experience, nothing is quite as annoying as a person rambling on and on about their god and how wonderful he is without having met the guy(s) and quoting scripture to back up their claims.
Agnostics and atheists simply do not believe in your god. This therefore renders the bible an invalid source to pull from.On the other hand, some atheists don't carry themselves in a professional and intelligent manner when confronted about their beliefs and resort to berating and criticizing another person's religion. Although this applies to both sides (especially religous literalists and extremists), Atheists generally receive more attention on this matter.
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royulery
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i religion but i believe in god because i've had spiritual experiences. religions teach one to follow not to advance spiritually. let go of religion and atheism and just say i don't know. the endless and eternal universe can work with an open mind.
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royulery
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Religions are biased largely on moral codes.
So the absence of a religion must mean the absence of morality.Not true, but I can see how this would appear to be pretty solid logic to base a perception on.
Also, phonies who use Atheism to seem cool, rebellious and edgy also tend to lie, cheat, steal and do drugs for similar reasons. Thus, they cannot be trusted.
(Head out to any grindcore show if you need evidence.)Comments?
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EtVoila
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Many Americans must be awfully frightened at the thought of...evolution, science, and reason, OH MY!
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zras
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down with atheism
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zras
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how could you trust a atheist whose heart is filled with hate? at least with a christian there morals and standards set in place.
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zras:
Oh, yeah, Christians definitely have better morals than those heartless Atheists.
Indeed, completely disregard...
The former reverend Ted Haggard who preached vehemently against homosexuals, when he had frequent rendevous with a male prostitute in a hotel room. That's not hypocrisy at all.
Or, don't forget those morally sound Christians setting pipebombs next to abortion clinics. And, don't even consider the KKK.
All Christians are better than all Atheists. That makes perfect sense and isn't a huge fallacy of logic/crude generalization at all.
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zras:
Wtf? Atheists' hearts are filled with hate? Since when man? All the atheists I know, myself included, are more open-minded and accepting of people than any Christian I know, whose "morals and standards set in place" tell them what isn't right. We have our own personal morals, and we don't need a fucking book to tell us what they are. I'd like to guess that you don't know any atheist personally. Shut the fuck up.
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zras:
They're will always be good and bad people, no matter what's they're religion, belief, nationality, race or sex.
Religion is everything but an insurance to goodness.
It's in fact very appealling to some bad one who can get they're way disguise in sheep clothing..
And I salute the Atheist good one, who it hasn't even been force into them, they simply are.. - 2 years ago
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zras
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how could you trust a atheist whose heart is filled with hate? at least with a christian there morals and standards set in place.
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Sam_the_Wizer
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RACIST!
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Evan_B
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as an atheist that was born and raised in Georgia these findings make complete sense.
y'all should hear the gasps of awe and confusion whenever i mention that i don't believe in doG. and the mortified stares i get whenever i say i don't believe in ghosts either.
its really quite depressing.
and mostly based on misconceptions. the most common question i get is "so you don't believe in anything?!".....they seem to think that atheists and nihilists are somehow related.
faith.
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: firm belief in something for which there is no proofcan somebody tell how is that POSSIBLY a good thing?
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Evan_B:
I'd gasp at your disrespect.
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Wessagusset_Oracle
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atheist vs. monotheist what's the difference? a vs. mono...we all know people with mono are asleep at the wheel, lol.
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Manatee_man
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atleast haft of my friends are atheist and i can trust all of them with my life
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And it's not even about indoctrination anymore, who better to mistrust than someone you don't or won't understand? Many people grow up assuming that there is some form of creator, and when they meet someone who doesn't believe then it becomes an issue of "optimism".
There's a stigma attached to atheism. One that says, "they don't believe in anything!" Granted, this was perpetuated by most fear mongers, but the worst is that many people assume atheism is a form of nihilism without any real dose of indoctrination.
It's a sad, sad (and ignorant) story.
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Lets look at atheism from two points. I am an atheist. Yesterday I watched a TV program that was showing a documentary from The Great Danny Thomas's gift to a large group of Cancer stricken Children. I know that Danny Thomas was a christian Lebanese Arab. I am addressing him as an Arab to prove a point. Danny had spent a considerable amount of his own money to start the St Judes organization for handicapped and sick children. They have a motto hat they will never turn a sick child away. A great number and perhaps most of the Children have some form of cancer. At $19.00 per month I can support one of these unfortunate children. Now There are many of these Mega Church's all over America and more under construction. All of you Christians are feeding these megachurch empires. You are making these fire and brimstone preachers filthy rich in theior dens of iniquity. All of you Christians are feeding the tills and pockets of these christian mega church empires and what good are these mega church's doing for humanity? Where is all of their wealth and rich's going? Not to Danny Thomas's St Jude hospital for the dieing youth of America. Yes all of you good christians think you are going to heaven just because you go to church and support a religious empire. The Bible tells you the give up 10% of your hard earned labor for the church. Now since the days of christ who has benefited from these tithes? Well in early Europe a priest or minister would travel through the villages selling forgiveness for their sins. Now there is nothing phony about St Judes. But if all of you christians were so hell bent on getting to heaven then why not put you Tithing to good use by skipping church and putting your donation to St Judes or if you can find a research organization that is serious in finding childhood cures for these many children, why not give them a helping hand rather than a bunch of tele conmen. That is my atheism talking, and just between us it is the megachurch's that is destroying Christianity by turning religion into a religio-politico mafia empire. Look at the sex abuse being exposed in the christian church's as well and more prevalent in the Catholic church's. Use your brains and common sense. It doesn't take a religion to make a good person, it takes a pair of caring parents and a good homespun schooled education.
Strange as it may seem, but so far it has been politicians, Christians and Catholics who are being exposed as sex predators and pedophiles and just plain wierdos. I haven't heard of any atheists of late who have been arrested for exposing themselves or who have been abusing young boys and girls. or commiting adultery. just politicians, preachers and priests. - 2 years ago
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Ragan:
ragan, can i just note that those christian groups who are doing amazing things in the world are not the ones who are going to be promoted, why? b/c ultimately they are living the lifestyle that they ought to...they living what jesus talked about. if you're looking for at least a few people to live up to what they call the standard, i would encourage you to look up say "the dream center" located in l.a. and "take it to the streets" located in charleston. just two examples.
one thing too, to remember about the media, is that "if it bleeds, it leads." so news goes after the dirt...no matter what side of the story it's on. and i say that having worked in media. for better or worse, the dirt is the most interesting...at least to put on television.
just a thought.
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ashgallagher
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More victimization.
How could anyone misunderstand a group that shoves info down people's throat like religious people......
For the record I wouldn't answer this with Atheist. I would tell you the real answer, but that would almost please some of you and I sure the hell don't post to please any of you.
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shakamaster2012
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remember when you were young, and there was that one kid in your third grade class that didn't believe in Santa Clause, so everybody hated him?
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ashgallagher
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acedia~
i don't think it's as much what athiests believe (or don't) as it is about presentation. in the judeo-christian society we live in groups of athiests who seemingly seek to take away their rights in the public eye appear threatening. of course the opposite is true as well. many of the commenter's here, it seems would rather give sarcastic answers and bash "non-athiests" than calculate a reason for the behavior in america. extremists from either side often don't have rational explinations for why they belive what they do: each are just passionate to get their point across. many athiests distrust christians and religious people just the same.
but the stereotype doesn't have to be if you present yourself as approachable and trustworthy. for those that abandon simply b/c of what you believe- then i'm sorry for you and them. my thoughts ultimately- go against the status quo of society...on either side of the coin.
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ashgallagher
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NickLip
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religion shouldn't be trusted.
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RaceBannon
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Religion will die in time, its in line with our social evolution.
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RaceBannon:
true that. evolution will rid us of religion.
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RaceBannon:
I have to disagree. Religion is a huge part of culture.
There are always going to be religious nuts and there are always going to be atheists.
There are always going to be people who want to believe that there is a higher power and greater meaning of life, and there are always going to be people who defy that. - 2 years ago
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RaceBannon:
Amanda said, "Religion is a huge part of culture."
Yes, anyone living in America is essentially operating day-to-day by a Judeo-Christian universal moral standard. Every American has bits and pieces of Jesus Christ in their worldview, whether they acknowledge this or not. And how could they when they don't even know what he taught? Or they take what they hear through the grapevine, and go to town with it. Religion is responsible in playing a role in creating social systems that work. We probably would not be here if Judaism had not come around when it did, b/c Judaism gave us laws that required us to not sacrifice our children to the gods, to practice self-control sexually and thereby putting off STD's for years to come, Law applied via a judicial system by judges, so that we can experience justice and life can be as fair as possible.
The fact is, most atheists would agree with me that we have, for the most part, a kick-ass country. Which is why I lose some respect for those atheists who rant and rave about Christianity. Especially the ones who say "Rid of Christianity! Rid of religion! Die God Die!" This makes no sense when you say it AND live in America.
The type of secular person I respect is Robert Wright. I saw an interview with him on Charlie Rose, about his book "The Evolution of God."
Wright doesn't proclaim to be any religion yet he knows about the main religions and I mean, really knows them. So, he knows about Jesus Christ and he's heard his message of Salvation so as to be saved from hell. Yet, he remains calm, clear headed, and has an obvious respect for all three of the worlds great religions (one of which I don't think is so great).
He acknowledges that he can see there is a purpose to the universe in that it's obvious to him the planet is evolving from one point (start) and moving forward (end?). He claims that this is not being revealed to him through any supernatural means, but rather, through nature. In other words, through obvious means. And he says this perspective he holds, doesn't necessarily contradict science. Whatever it is or who it is that set this planet in forward motion, leads him to believe there is a purpose to it, which implies there is something or someone behind this action. It might be an intelligent designer and it might not be. But the point is, there could be a God b/c there is obviously something. And IMO, acknowledging this possibility is more intelligent than to deny God's existence altogether.
Robert Wright is an intelligent person in that he at least acknowledges when he is agreeing with what Christianity acknowledges too. And by doing so, he acknowledges that there are intelligent aspects to this religion which he points out came way before scientific theories. In fact, religion, he claims, was often used pragmatically. Religion has always been around. Wright acknowledges that we do not know yet, what the world would be like, without religion. Nobody can say for sure that the world would be better, w/o religion, especially when you consider all of the good things religion has brought us in terms of helping us figure out our world. Of course, I am not talking about "religion" as defined by cliche atheists.
Wright explains that religion has often played a very important part of society and it really wasn't until after 9-11, that everyday, regular, non-elite American people began to want a "religious free" world. He points out that it's dangerous to say religion is the cause of all evil. Religion has always and still can play a constructive role in society. What most current day atheists are reacting to is the after affect of radical Islam. But doing away with God altogether, b/c of this, is not the answer. It could be the biggest mistake actually.
I attached the interview if anyone's interested. For the record, I don't agree with most of what Wright has to specifically say about Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but I do respect his sincere search for truth.
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kjoknoswazzup
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oden
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because anyone believing in any traditional deity has the archaic views of a 10th century peasant during the crusades. fear and comfort. get a back bone and take a damn philosophy coarse. most people think that when you dont believe in something, you believe in nothing.
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oden:
...And wouldn't you just love to have this guy telling you that about yourself every thanksgiving for the next thirty years? Such fun!
- 2 years ago
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kennymotown
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I would trust an average atheist over a religious nut any day!
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kennymotown:
That's why your run-of-the-mill American with religious beliefs hates atheists.
I love agnostics, at least you can have an intelligent conversation about religion with them. They're simply skeptical and open to logic from both sides of the fence. When I talk to an atheist about religion, it always turns into them reverting to their smarmy confidence that I am just a "delusional religious crazy." It's that self-righteousness that makes me hate so many atheists. You're not better than me, please stop acting like it.
- 2 years ago
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kennymotown:
If I had more time, I would love to engage you in intelligent debate.
I have had intelligent debate problems with people on both sides.
I think there is a big problem with definitions, here, too.
I have called myself an atheist and I'm actually agnostic. Agnostic, however, doesn't mean that you are "on the fence" about anything.
In my (biased, yet logical) opinion, Agnostics are the MOST correct of all of the groups. People on here have even said "You can't prove god exists, or that he doesn't." THATS AGNOSTICISM! Uncertainty of claims of higher knowledge.
The ultimate irony is that no one can be certain of either side. You cannot be certain unless you are delusional. Therefore EVERYONE is agnostic unless they are delusional.
That means both Atheists and Theists of all types.
- 2 years ago
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kennymotown:
I concur with CreditF when they said "...Agnostics are the MOST correct of all of the groups. People on here have even said 'You can't prove god exists, or that he doesn't.' THAT'S AGNOSTICISM! Uncertainty of claims of higher knowledge."
That's what I meant to say when I said that my first thought about someone who tells me that they are an atheist, is that they aren't very intellectual. Not that they aren't booksmart, or bright, etc. But that they aren't intellectual. And there is a difference. It's like some people can do arts & crafts and some people are artists and designers. I don't know how else to explain it.
- 2 years ago
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kjoknoswazzup
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Those who responded with hate against Christians or those who spoke out against those Jesus lovin places. It is not about Jesus lovin, its about your feelings, and in general all these replies have listed brainwashing and anti-open attitudes as reasons to dislike Christians and as one blogger responded to "turn the poster around", by doing so you are in fact making yourself appear uneducated and shooting from the hip as many of you bash Christians for doing. If you don't like what foolish Christians do, please don't do it yourself. If you want to have an "open" conversation, part of that conversation is their thoughts and not simply your hate. Also, you are generalizing and thrusting assumptions onto Christians, you may have a bad run in but why generalize, yet again doing to them what you say you do not like. You have become someone who does not have a holistic life and have made your voice mute...think about things before you say them...
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clintshamblin40:
"part of that conversation is their thoughts and not simply your hate" - sorry my friend, but the Christians (and all other religious people) are the ones who hate who doesn't follow their religion.
Atheists simply do not care about what you choose to believe in. But it's not true the other way around.
Religious people want you to believe in "God", and then more specifically their God.
Even Christians have 2 Gods: the Catholic God and the Protestant God. I see Catholics making fun of Protestants, and Protestants making fun of Catholics. In the U.K., they even kill each other!
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clintshamblin40:
If we are going to have a civil debate about this subject, let's at least get our facts straight:
Catholic and Protestant Christians do not have separate gods. The are united in their belief that Jesus Christ is God and the savior of mankind. However, they differ in that the Protestants don't believe in the Pope's political and spiritual authority. In the past, governments in Europe were more theocratic, and the Pope had the end-all opinion on both political and spiritual matters. He told the masses what the Bible meant, and if you disagreed you were a heretic, basically. Protestants fought for a more personalized interpretation of the Bible and translated it into languages more accessible to the masses, like English. Before this, the Bible was just in Latin, a dead language only known by the learned people like the clergy.
With all of that said, I have met atheist and agnostic people who were just as rude and forceful with their beliefs as you're characterizing Christians and other religious people to be. There are guilty people in both camps.
What we really need to do is just be respectful of each other's beliefs or the lack thereof. I know it's harder to execute this than it is to say it, but I believe it to be all we can do on this issue. Just remember what Jesus Christ said and "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you." The Golden Rule.
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clintshamblin40:
Just FYI the golden rule is not in the bible and Jesus did not utter those words. he did say that whatever you do unto the least of these you due onto me (he was talking about the hungry, homeless and down trodden) but that's not really the same thing.
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clintshamblin40:
It should just be expected that any talk about Jesus Christ to atheists, is going to activate a negative response.
I would think we were crazy lunatics too. In fact, there was a day when Christians freaked me out and I ran away from them when I saw them coming. It's a natural reaction for a natural body stuck in bondage.
You sound like a Christian so allow me to speak in our "cliches" that we get made fun of for - They aren't plugged in. They simply cannot see the light. They are spiritually blind. Haters of God. Lovers of sin. Of the world. When they reject God, they choose his Arch Enemy.
*******If anyone has a problem with what I just wrote, please talk to Jesus Christ about it. I am just repeating what he says in the Holy Bible. So, it's either I say it like this or I quote Bible verses. I am trying to be nice and spare you from that. *******
What I just said was highly offensive because it's supposed to be. Truth is meant to offend your natural man so as to arouse your spiritual one.
It is a loving thing for a Christian to speak directly to non-Christians with truth. Please try to see that and try to understand our ways are typically opposite of your ways, b/c that is how the Christian God works.
We obey the Lord, not people. And that is going to cause us to be accepted by Christ, but rejected by people. That's pretty much Christianity in a nutshell and choosing to love and thus serve and follow Jesus Christ is probably one of the loneliest paths to take in life. But the trade off is that it leads to eternal life.
We all get to choose what we want to do.
Free-will is a gift from the Creator, whether or not you acknowledge His existence.
- 2 years ago
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bc_f:
This makes me smile :-)
- 2 years ago
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hardknockxpert
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fryods
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Oh crap I'm athiest.
I haven't done any devilish deeds either, I didn't know it was a requirement!! I'm way behind!
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maizein
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The problem is, people are so ignorant that when you say you're an atheist they think you're associated to or believe in Satan (you know, Hell's CEO).
They can't realize that, if you don't believe in God, you also don't believe in the devil (the idea of Satan is even more absurd than having a God).
They think atheists are like Satan's secret agents...
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Um, not where I live in America...
In my neck of the woods, people actually respect other people's beliefs, whether they involve "the lord" or not.
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Huh? Atheists are the most mistrusted group? Wow thats funny... i fear the extremists the most. They tend to be the most likely to perform hate crimes or kill/die for their distorted beliefs.
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yeah atheists are such a threat... they're the ones forcing their beliefs on everyone, they're the ones touching alter boys, they're the ones that in technical terms violate the declaration of independence on a daily basis.... yeah... atheists are sooo scary......... wake up people.
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kgun30:
you can't think of how atheists push their beliefs on others?
I guess you don't pay attention to current events, or recent history
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curtisreed
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>"Let us assume that this person is a great orator; a righteous person with great personal integrity..."<
And how would we assume that? it's not part of the survey. The use of the word righteous is interesting. different religious groups have different preferred systems of wording. I have a deep suspicion here that the writer was raise Jewish and still follows those ethical standards to some degree. I now look at the guy's name "Gad Saad" and do a bit of googling. What do you know: Gad is a very traditional Jewish name.Just to throw it up in the air I think the problem is that religions are not only religious systems they are also ethical ones. People are not used to someone following an ethical system but not a religious one. Therefore someone who is seen not seen to follow a religious system is seen as someone without ethics. Confucianism for example is an ethical system free of religion. One can simultaneously be an atheist and a Confucian at the same time. How did the Confucians do in the survey?
I suspect an atheist who was an announced follower of a described and known philosophy of ethics would do just as well. When I talk to atheists about ethics it usually winds up they actually either follow christian ethics or go ancient greek, which is almost the same thing. The problem lies in that by saying that a person is an atheist the are to some degree saying that their ethical system is not externally vetted. This implies that their ethical system could possibly become whatever they can talk themselves into. This potential for self serving flexibility is no less true of many evangelical religions, but they have the cover of being associated with more organized groups whereas the atheists do not.
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bombastinator
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As I pointed out the last time, those poll results were brought up that they might've been skewed by sample of people they asked or by the format of the questions.
How can that conclusion of "most detested" group be supported when it directly contradicts the FBI hate crime statistics?
Over 50% of assaults motivated towards a group are against Gays. Lebians, Bi-sexual and Transexuals.
Atheists are only less than 5% of those crimes.
If people are hating on GLBT enough to go out an physically attack them on a much wider scale then how can it be said that Atheist are "most detested?"
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Argon18:
Because self professed atheists account for only about about a fourth or fifth of those recognized as Gays, Lesbians, Bi-sexual and Transsexuals this shrinks the discrepancy in number to about a factor of two to one which is easily explained by the ease of recognition of Gays, Lesbians, Bi-sexual and Transsexuals compared to atheists. Basically its easier to find and recognize Gays, Lesbians, Bi-sexual and Transsexuals than it is to find and recognize atheists. If you can't find them and even if you did you wouldn't recognize them it would be extremely difficult to assault atheists. There is no contradiction when simple conditional probability and a little logic is used.
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Argon18:
Even if they are a lesser amount of the population and yes admittedly harder to recognize then how does that follow that they are more "detested?"
That is a massive flaw in your "logic" since both those points would make them atheists less "mistrusted" than GLBT not more.
I'm betting by using similar samples of the population and formats of questions for the polling data that you could come up with results that showed that more atheist have a "persecution complex" also.
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bullpcp
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Argon18:
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With all due respect I never stated nor implied I believed atheists to be the most detested or mistrusted groups only that the data that you presented did not contradict this premise.
"That is a massive flaw in your "logic" since both those points would make them atheists less "mistrusted" than GLBT not more."
Maybe the massive flaw isn't with my "logic". And your premise is a smaller population percentage and lack of obvious identification would make them less mistrusted? I don't see the connection.
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acontradiction:
I would argue the opposite, actually. The atheists I know seem to feel more sure of themselves without fear of some omnipotent, omnipresent deity. They also seem to be more determined to do something with their lives since they're more likely to see it as their one shot.
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acontradiction:
yeah, actually I am an atheist and I happen to be a confident, strong person and my faith lies in society. Eventually, when people open their eyes and refuse to buy into whatever the most popular belief in their region happens to be, then I believe we will start to see a slow progression towards the closet thing to a Utopian society that man is capable of. Until then, I guess I will have to continue to tolerate "the faithful" criticizing my beliefs and telling me I was sent here by Lucifer, himself. (yes, I have been called a demon before because I challenged the statement that the Earth is NOT only 2000 years old.)
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acontradiction:
You must be mistaken Atheists are very much strong wiled, we don't know who you've been messing with, but Atheist are hella strong...
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acontradiction:
says the guy named "a contradiction". ironic?
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acontradiction:
A lot of atheists even use a dictionary. We don't understand what the word "whinney" means in our secular world. Is that sort of like the sound a horse makes? So atheist = horse?
Make some sense, why dont ya. - 2 years ago
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acontradiction:
I guess you personally know every atheist on the planet to be making a comment like that.
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This seems accurate, even if the survey is a few years old. It wouldn't surprise me if atheists were still the "most detested group," though probably by a smaller margin.
But within certain communities (mostly, though probably not exclusively, more educated groups), being intensely religious is a stigma and being atheist, agnostic, deist, etc. is not only socially acceptable, but preferred.
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Claybo66
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Who cares what Christians think. We have one life, so far as we know. Don't dwell on this information.
- 2 years ago
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Claybo66:
well at least you care about things...
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Claybo66:
That's a foolish statement. It was Christian values that freed the slaves, not Islamic values, nor Hindu values, nor Buddist or even Atheist values.
MLK successfully and peacefully turned back segregation through the implementation of peaceful values that were Christian to the core, in contrast to Malcom X whose initial tendencies were to resort to violence. Same with Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela. Compare their results to those of Hamas and any group applying Muslim values, which are indisputably more violent.
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curtisreed
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This is nothing new.
30 Days Season 2 : Ep. 3 "Atheist/Christian"
Air date: August 9, 2006 - 2 years ago
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Haha. The feeling is mutual. Devotion to a particular god parable is one of the most disgusting human attributes possible. It is mental and spiritual suicide. If you don't at least question your beliefs, I can not trust you in any way.
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trut1:
or annoying either...
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trut1:
i agree with that!
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hardknockxpert
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trut1:
Some people would prefer their daughter even marry a COP over an atheist. Now that *IS* seriously fucked up.
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