Community | September 23, 2009 | 153 comments

Filmmaker's motives for entrapping ACORN exposed

source: http://pubrecord.org/commentary/5437/entrapping-acorn/

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ACORN, an umbrella organization of community groups that serves poor people in major cities across the country through housing, legal advocacy, family services, and higher wages, has lost all federal funding, after decades of working for low-income, disadvantaged Americans.

That the House of Representatives has moved swiftly on anything is stunning in and of itself. More stunning, this is in response to a single independent report by conservative activists, with no follow-up investigation, no hearings, not even being provided a copy of the full, unedited video tapes shot by conservative activists James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles at a couple of ACORN offices.

This is serious stuff here. This is not a game of gotcha, of cheap political points, of practical jokes — not when this is money that helps in many real ways in impoverished communities around our country.

It is vital to assess how this backlash was accepted so quickly in light of videos that were from someone whose films are funded by conservative backers, videos that misrepresented ACORN through editing and not disclosing other failed attempts at their desired response, and may well have been dubbed over, if O’Keefe would dare to release the unedited tapes in their real context to prove otherwise.

A significant reason that this ACORN backlash has moved through Congress like Montezuma’s Revenge is that this particular hidden camera stunt had the ring of “child prostitution” in it, which most politicians of either party would run from rather than dispute its irrelevance. “Anyone defending ACORN is for child prostitution” is an immediate fallacious meme. It’s not like we’re talking about the Catholic Church here, which still gets federal funding.

Noteworthy is that there have not been any previous allegations between child prostitution and ACORN. In this weekend’s LA Times, O’Keefe himself asserts that this ruse had nothing to do with prostitution, importing underage sex workers, or tax help for starting up a business.

“Politicians are getting elected single-handedly due to this organization,” he said. “No one was holding this organization accountable. No one in the media is putting pressure on them. We wanted to do a stunt and see what we could find.”

That’s what this is really about: the elections, and the threat that has been hyped tirelessly that ACORN is in some way stealing your vote.

Before I digress into the long campaign to smear ACORN because of its successful voter registration, I don’t want to be accused to changing the subject to the elections. O’Keefe clearly stated that is what these stunts were about from the beginning.

There is much to dispute in O’Keefe’s quote. There is no evidence whatsoever that politicians are getting elected single-handedly by ACORN, and it is a wild exaggeration. Many claims of voter fraud are made, few instances ever occur.
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It is worth noting here that what transpired on O’Keefe’s videotape were conversations about hypothetical situations–not actual prostitution, no actual crime, and not proof of an agency-wide policy or program involving prostitution or illegal immigrants. In fact, O’Keefe’s experiment proves this–that several other ACORN offices would not be ensnared by their absurd scenario, and turned away these provocateurs. One office in Philadelphia filed a police report because they were alarmed by the pair.

Ironically, the only thing illegal in some of these tapes is that O’Keefe is filming illegally. States like California and Maryland have strict consent laws about surreptitious recording, which is why the news and entertainment industries have long figured out workarounds for hidden cameras. (Hint: Vegas.)

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153 comments // Filmmaker's motives for entrapping ACORN exposed

  • hunzedog
  • hunzedog
  • Birdmanbob4
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      Birdmanbob4  

    • As Gretta on Fox news said last night "I wish ACORN would sue me!" you see kids when someone suse you you get something called "Discovery" and the courts allow you to have almost unlimmited access to "LOOK ARROUND" in the course of discovery! And what this all means Brierbart most likley find more lwa breaking by ACORN and that could involive many more law suits against ACORN with huge payouts :) on another Fun "Discovery" note I found the Proof that Obama did not write his own Book! So what that means every smarty pants in the Media who told you that is how they knew Obama was so smart were foold and all the times interviews with Obama saying he had "NO" help means you were lied to! ..But the Kicker is the "TERROR KING" Willam aires wrote it! this News will bring down Obama ...So have a nice Day!

    • 2 years ago
  • stopchaos
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • Birdmanbob4:

      OMG birdman....Obama did not write his own book?

      Oh hell, there goes the publishing industry.

      and William Aires is the Terror King? Oh hell again.

      there goes the terror industry.

      at least we know the prostitution industry is safe.

    • 2 years ago
  • stopchaos
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      stopchaos  

    • Response to J_Jammer: My opinion of ACORN, based on what I read and hear, is as good as any of yours based on your liberal democrat ideology ... you filter what your read and hear through your political filter ... so naturally your view is different from mine ... I am a retired VP of Marketing for several major companies, educated, analytical and Libertarian ... time in grade is my filter ... observing what government does over the long haul ... both sides, R & D ... Check this message: "No government program exists in a vacuum. Ronald Reagan once said that “No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So, governments’ programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.” (listen here: http://www.entertonement.com/clips/qjzvqvfbqx--Eternal-lifeRonald-Reagan-A-Time-...) Last, as a liberal democrat, and possible socialist, you are free to donate more of your earned money than required by law. Keep us posted.
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      9/24/09>>>"Yo, stopchaos! J_Jammer has responded after your comment on Current.com: J_Jammer said: What is amazing is you can pull the insults out of my subtle nature but find difficulty in understanding what I've said because the reasoning stings your pride. Can't do what I ask....then really you don't have anything to defend Acorn with. You're just using hollow reasoning. Actually state something and link it instead of making people do your work for you....maybe you'll have something. It's really up to you. I could careless how this ends up. Acorn isn't a great place. It's damaged and it's done. This suit won't do squat for their case. They are just trying to save the two faces they have." BOY are you on the wrong page ... Me Defend ACORN ... No never ... worthless group of non-contributing consuming thieves ...bogus loans, coercion, etc. I just want my money spent on things that pay off and not on things that contribute to the mortgage mess and resulting financial collapse. Let's give folks limited time to accept job training, get a skill, learn to raise fully functioning children to be contributing adults ... two parent households, education, discipline, no arrests or jail time ... the highest and best use of limited resources!

    • 2 years ago
  • slarabee
  • RFIDemocracy
  • Scott_Taylor
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  

    • Jammer sez: Hahahahahahaa...
      more jokes.
      Heavily edited.
      "You should take the money put it in a tin....bury it in the back yard and tell no one..." Hit the table a few times turn head as if made a huge score to win the game.

      hahaha....hold on let me see if there were edits that were so massive....nope.
      Please do bring more jokes. It's getting good"

      Apparently, you are more full of shit than previously suspected. So I have a little joke for you, joker.

      Based on the you tube video: '[ACORN prostitution investigation Part 1' only , I have identified the following edits on cursory examination. (I may have missed a few)
      The overall length of the video is 9:50.
      Edits at:
      0.13
      0.15
      0.17
      0.19
      0.26
      0.34
      0.40
      0.43
      0.44
      0.51
      0.55
      0.59
      1.00
      1.18
      1.12
      1.15
      1.17
      1.19
      1.21
      1.23
      1.25
      1.29
      1.33
      1.36
      1.41
      20.5
      2.16
      2.55
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      2.59
      3.02
      3.19
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      4.11
      4.43
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      5.34
      5.41
      5.57
      7.07
      7.18
      7.23
      7.27
      8.40
      9.02
      9.32
      9.38
      9.40
      Wow, show of hands if you all think a total of 50 (count 'em) 50! edits does not constitute 'heavily-edited' in a span of 9 minutes and 50 seconds (or one edit on average every 11.4 seconds or more than 5.26 edits per minute)
      Your standards of 'evidence are about as low as they get but I would expect nothing less from a true believer, Tex.

      i have little doubt the rest of these videos will yield at least as many cuts.

      Oh, just one more point.
      hahahahahahaha
      Any questions?

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      Wow.

      News casts have edits as well.

      All you did was show you can count. I'm amazed that you think this is proof enough to denounce the videos as crap. You just want to defend them. You're as awesome as a crack pipe.

      And convincing either of you to admit you are wrong is more impossible than I ever will be.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      "News casts have edits as well. "

      Is that so?
      That's a pretty meek response compared to you previous crowing: "hahaha....hold on let me see if there were edits that were so massive....nope.
      Please do bring more jokes. It's getting good"

      Obviously you have re-thought your stupid statement since all you could come up with is 'News casts have edits as well'.

      This video has more edits than a Madonna video.
      The point is, this, again, 'HEAVILY-EDITED' video obviously proves nothing. It's a hack job.
      It's how one falsifies evidence. Furthermore, the twit didn't consider that he was breaking laws or, if he did, he disregarded that fact or considered it worth the risk for the publicity.

      Hmm, let's see what Jonathon Turley has to say...

      In Food Lion v. ABC , a store was shown in an undercover segment engaging in unsanitary techniques and accused Food Lion of selling rat-gnawed cheese, meat that was past its expiration date and old fish and ham that had been washed in bleach to kill the smell. Food lion denied the allegations and sued ABC for trespass. A jury ruled against ABC and awarded Food Lion punitive damages for the investigation involving ABC journalists lying on their application forms and assumed positions under false pretenses. (here). The Fourth Circuit however wiped out the punitive damage award while upholding the verdicts of trespass and breach of loyalty with awards of only $1 for each.

      This case would come closest to a case out of the Seventh Circuit. Judge Richard Posner wrote the decision in Desnick v. ABC where investigative reporters went undercover in 1993 to show that employees of the Desnick eye clinic had tampered with the clinic’s auto-refractor, the machine used to detect cataracts so that the machine produced false diagnoses to find cataracts (and require procedures). The court rejected wiretapping claims (based on the state’s one-party consent rules) as well as trespass and defamation claims. On trespass, the court noted that the reporters were allowed into areas open to new patients. Posner relied on the consent to the entry to negate the trespass claim even when the entrant “has intentions that if known to the owner of the property would cause him . . . to revoke his consent.”

      That seems quite close to the ACORN case. Maryland does appear to be a state requiring the consent of all parties, which would allow for a criminal charge and a difference with the Illinois case. Such charges are being called for by some in Maryland, here.

      It would make a difficult civil case. More importantly, ACORN will have to decide whether the powder is worth the prize in keeping this scandal alive while it is also facing various charges of illegal practices related to voter registration.

      More 'jokes' to follow.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      Then there is Congress:

      ABC: Rehnquist’s interpretation laid the groundwork for an entity to sue after being “punished” by Congress-in ACORN’s case cutting off their federal funds-which ACORN may claim legislation deemed “punishment” without the benefit of a trial, and thus, a bill of attainder.

      This could be construed as ACORN inadvertently or overtly throwing down a gauntlet to Congress, as Congress has the power to open up widespread investigations, hearings, and the power to subpoena ACORN.

      The President, through his Department of Justice, has the same power to investigate ACORN. Even so, Obama’s response to ACORN and Congress voting to cut off their funds was rather revealing: Obama, when pressed, stated that he “wasn’t following closely” what was “going on” with ACORN, that it wasn’t a “big priority”.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • RFIDemocracy
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      Yes, because every lawsuit has creditability just because it exists.

      And you can pull what you want out of the air...things you think back you...but you have no backing for your defense for Acorn.

      That's the amusing part.

      You are prattling right now.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
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    • RFIDemocracy:

      Yes, because every lawsuit has creditability just because it exists.
      Yeah, especially in multiples in concert with mulitiple criminal investigations.

      'And you can pull what you want out of the air...things you think back you...but you have no backing for your defense for Acorn.'

      As opposed to J_Jammer pulling it out of his ass?
      'Backing'? Whatever are you going on about now?

      Are you talking about documentation? Apparently you missed my stellar post.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      I'm talking about actually saying it.

      I'm not going to do your work for proving your point. Sorry...not gonna happen.

      If you state it, quote what you think means that and link it, I'll look. But if you're just going to be lazy about the whole thing....so am I.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      "If you state it, quote what you think means that and link it, I'll look. But if you're just going to be lazy about the whole thing....so am I."

      If I state what? What are you going on about? Do try to be articulate.
      Say what you want clearly and in complete sentences and I'll see if I can help you out.
      Mkay?

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      What is amazing is you can pull the insults out of my subtle nature but find difficulty in understanding what I've said because the reasoning stings your pride.

      Can't do what I ask....then really you don't have anything to defend Acorn with. You're just using hollow reasoning.

      Actually state something and link it instead of making people do your work for you....maybe you'll have something.

      It's really up to you. I could careless how this ends up. Acorn isn't a great place. It's damaged and it's done. This suit won't do squat for their case. They are just trying to save the two faces they have.

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  

    • All this crap you tell people they are. You have no backing to them and yet you ask for backing about Acorn which is proven in the videos that you ignore because you claim heavy editing that you can't even prove.

      You sure want a lot of proof for someone that has zilch.

      But keep on going....yawning is fun.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  

    • Congress does does not have the power to either determine either guilt or liability. This will never stand.
      Congress seems to have forgotten in their eagerness to trip over themselves that they are neither the Department of justice or the the Judiciary.
      Sorry to disappoint the less-informed wingnut trolls with the 'boring' civics lesson, but this will never stand and is clearly legal grounds for ACORN to sue.
      Meanwhile, these dipshits, the ever popular Congress jumped the shark and finalised the bill with no do-overs possible. What are the implications? ALL organisations and corporations who are known to have been confirmed 'guilty' of corruption are now legally and forthwith cut off from funds beginning immediately. This would include Halliburton, Blackwater, KBR, and innumerable other well-known and lesser-known government contractors. It's the law and it's effective now.
      The upshot is the GOP has sought to leap into taking advantage of this and they are going to end up taking a hit for it.

      Nice. Funny how things just work themselves out sometimes...
      Methinks the GOP just shot themselves in the collective foot.

      What's more, the video in question is absolutely substandard from a leagl perspective. It simply can't stand on it's own in court.
      When the little shit gets sued, he's going to have to produce all his outtakes in discovery, and I fully expect it's not going to work out so well for him when he is exposed as a fraud, since he has been previously accused of selectively editing right-wing hit-pieces by some of his close associates.
      Stay tuned to this developing story.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • RFIDemocracy
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      If what you believe about ACORN is true then these people will get their jobs back when the "truth" comes out. If what I believe about ACORN is true, these people will never get their jobs back and ACORN's lawsuit against the video producers will in no way undermine the cases of voter fraud brought against them in many states.

    • 2 years ago
  • librelover
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      librelover  
    • RFIDemocracy:

      The funny part about your "civics lesson" is that it is misinformation. Congress does have the jurisdiction to investigate and determine whether or not ACORN is liable for these allegations. Their powers may not include criminal action, which would require judicial jurisdiction. However, they do have the power to revoke funding. Where do you think impeachment comes from? The legislature.

      A civics lesson for you. The executive branch executes the laws set forth by the legislative branch. The legislative branch also determines the fiscal policy of the federal government. Finally, the judicial branch maintains the constitutionality of the laws set forth by the legislature.

    • 2 years ago
  • funnicus
  • Sdizzle
  • Steven_Barnes
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      Steven_Barnes  

    • Aren't we forgetting that ACORN made some mistakes as well? You can't just tell pimps how to hide money from "pimpin" to get more help from the government.

      While Current may think that the sting was petty, I tend to think that it did its job. Though they may want to get a better costume next time.

      Where is the balanced journalism Current?

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • hunzedog
  • hunzedog
  • js9999
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      js9999  

    • In Italy the conversations between the mafia and parliment priviledged and protected - so its impossible to route out corruption. This is America, ACORN - you got caught, quit your crying.

    • 2 years ago
  • asherp
  • Nephwrack
  • nvoutback
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      nvoutback  

    • It's hard to believe that if you were to walk into any Acorn office, with a outfit like that and have them believe that your really a pimp. I would have laugh them right out of the office. I would really like to have someone look at this video unedited and see if the whole thing is on the level.

    • 2 years ago
  • KI4CLZ
  • KI4CLZ
  • Incredulous
  • stopchaos
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      stopchaos  

    • This article author is very sick ... we don't need to be GIVING our tax money to community organizers in the first place and secondly not to a proven batch of crooks that favor one small segment of the population to the detriment of the balance! Wake up and y'all get a job ...

    • 2 years ago
  • brit50
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      brit50  
    • stopchaos:

      I would agree. ACORN is as corrupt as they get. There is much more going on in that organization then simply what this article states. Though I do believe this kind of filming should not be allowed. Expose ACORN legally.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • stopchaos:

      "Why are you defending them and not seeing that they did something bad?'
      1. I did
      not defend anyone. I simply told this twit upstaits that he is a bullshitter and so are you.
      When you make an accusation you need to be prepared to back it up.
      2. Define 'they' and what 'they' 'did' that was bad. You are equating individuals with an organization. You have no proof of systemic corruption, nor does anyone else or it would be public knowledge, which it is not.

      "Is it because Obama likes them?" Does he? You're talking out your ass again, Tex.
      Substantiate your juvenile claims, if you can, which you cannot.
      Copy/paste the publicly available quote from Obama that says 'I like ACORN'.
      Still waiting...

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • stopchaos:

      'You can't even back your accusations'

      What are my accusations? Feel free to define..
      Boring? Tex, I could take a poll and I can pretty well assure you that a majority would find your shitty, constant, repetitive, mundane, decidedly contrary and entirely baseless posts a lot less endurable endurable than just plain old boring.
      I *could*, IF I wanted to waste my time on a useless waste of DNA and trailer-space like yourself.
      You epitomize 'boring', not to mention annoying.

      Be sure to write when you get work.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • stopchaos:

      You failed to answer my challenge, as usual. I repeat, what are my 'accusations'?

      BTW, I stand by the 'boring' comment.
      I am concerned for your well-being, though, so, to reiterate, do write when you get work. I hear private prisons are a growth-industry in your neck-of the-no-woods, though executions might be slowing down some since Bush and Fredo left town for greener pastures.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • Incredulous
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  

    • Crappy article.

      Why?

      Making Acorn the victim without fessing up to them screwing up.

      Failure on so many levels.

      So quick are people to defend them and not tell them that they did do something wrong and they should fix themselves. Ignoring that they were wrong no matter if it were hypothetical is pathetic.

      They shouldn't be saved anyway. There are far better programs that are not political.

      I think that anything that is political like Religion or Programs that are suppose to help people they should be put in their place no matter how wrong it might be ethically (as in recording...people smoke pot and it's illegal...let's not pretend that one law is ok and another isn't just because) they want to play in the big boy's tent....they're going to get dirty and it's going to freakin' hurt.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • J_Jammer
  • Incredulous
  • Sam_the_Wizer
  • sankofa416
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      sankofa416  

    • The unedited video is definitely something I'd like to see. This was NOT a vigilante act - it was political move funded by a political party. We all know the Republican Party has dogged determination when they decide something is to be trashed via the echo machine aka tv news.

      That said, I can understand why an extremely active political organization would shy away from an investigation. No doubt it's full of routes for politicians to get money where they think it should go quietly (and probably illegally). This one just happens to belong to the Democratic Party.

      The most appalling part of this whole thing is that this video was swallowed wholesale as investigative reporting by "news" stations and even the Daily Show.

      I hope this kind of thing (done well) happens in more places more often! Just, you know, to more Republican organizations than Democratic ones... :-\

    • 2 years ago
  • robhill_productions
  • stopchaos
  • samthesixth
  • walski
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      walski  

    • ACORN's being cast out is due to its rocky past and questionable motives. Start by looking at its birth and founders. This agreement was reached quickly from both sides b/c Democrats in office with ties to the organization do not want an investigation. It's sad we are victims of our own liberal media which is based on what you can insinuate and not the truth.

      It's interesting that both the Republicans and Democrats have used various organizations for the same motives of "A Home for Every Family." But these organizations have been used to produce plenty of campaign $ and support for their favored party.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • walski:

      ACORN's being cast out is due to its rocky past and questionable motives

      Detail it's 'rocky past' and prove it's questionable motives'.

      You can do neither with any veracity.

    • 2 years ago
  • walski
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
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    • walski:

      Thanks for the two links to partisan right-wing websites. No thanks.

      I checked out your CNN link though, maybe you should have.
      "Over the past four years, a dozen states have investigated complaints of fraudulent registrations filed by ACORN. On Tuesday, Nevada authorities raided an ACORN office in Las Vegas, Nevada, where workers are accused of registering members of the Dallas Cowboys football team. And the group has become the target of Republican attacks on voter fraud, a perennial GOP issue."

      And the outcome was?

      The voter fraud meme is a red herring. See attached study and understand what the reality of statistics of 'voter fraud' really mean to American politics

    • 2 years ago
  • raiderguyx
  • lifestudentno83
  • montesooma
  • lifestudentno83
  • librelover
  • lifestudentno83
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      lifestudentno83  
    • lifestudentno83:

      I've been looking at Big Government.com, and it's leans to the right in a lot of issues. It's also ran by Andrew Breitbart who happens to be a conservative journalist and commentator.

      I also have yet to see a FULL and Unedited view of all tapes, just the edited full versions. There is no indication on what persuasive measures were used to get these people to say or react the way they have. As I am sure, there is no unedited versions available. This kind of Gotcha Journalism could be used to make the president look Anti-American or Faxed News Liberal.

      The fact they only have 5 ACORN offices on tape is not decisive proof every office is corrupt; only proof that there is a fraction of offices who might be engaged in less than favorable activity. It's not guaranteed that every ACORN conducts business in the same way.

      As said before, I continue to reserve judgment on this situation.

    • 2 years ago
  • librelover
  • J_Jammer
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • lifestudentno83:

      'What a load of crap to request an unedited version'

      We are a little above Glenn Beck's pay-grade now. This is not entertainment anymore. We are now in the area of law, not bloviating or demagoguery.
      All outtakes will be subpoenaed in discovery when the lawsuit gets underway. Withholding anything will present some serious legal problems for little Mr. O'Keefe and his ungodly ho.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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    • lifestudentno83:

      Still don't see why it matters....oh you want to see if these people are as terrible (as you can't admit) as the videos show.

      And yet you will not admit wrong.

      All you want it to be false.

      And when it's shown not to be? Where will this thread be? Gone.....none will admit how wrong they were or how right the videos were.

      That's why I called it crap. Your request is a joke.

    • 2 years ago
  • hammywill
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      hammywill  
    • lifestudentno83:

      RFID: Do you have a link to the bill that stripped funding from ACORN, I would like to take a look at it. Just trying to make it easier on myself...LOL....but I would really appreciate it if you already have one. Thanks.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
  • hammywill
  • hammywill
  • Sdizzle
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      Sdizzle  
    • lifestudentno83:

      If you have ever seen the way the Wexler video from The Colbert Report was reported by Fox News you would know why the unedited video is needed. I'm not saying they are innocent moral improprieties, but I'm not going to fully commit to condemning them until all evidence is available.

    • 2 years ago
  • Amber_Taylor
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  

    • Could we get away with closing Israel down by using the same video techniques? We could really save billions of dollars, but then it wouldnt matter we are so far in debt that it may just take a thousand years to break even.

    • 2 years ago
  • librelover
  • royulery
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  

    • This is a case of getting busted and having no good excuse, so lets impune the messenger.
      I see no "secret" motive that is exposed, they wanted to bust acorn wasting the endless supply of money they get from us.
      The networks did this kind of hidden video all the time and were above reproach.
      The rule as i understand it is that 2 people have to know about the hidden cam which is clearly the case here.
      And this post implies that the videos were overdubbed or edited --- can you prove that?
      No you can't because it didn't happen.
      Power To The People!

    • 2 years ago
  • pakazak
  • librelover
  • pakazak
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      pakazak  
    • montesooma:

      only by the good that i've seen the org do over the years, giving the working poor a chance to get a foothold when 'banks' would have nothing to do with them.
      i don't have names or dates, i only have personal experience.
      the 'video team' is a laughable attempt at reporting. even i wouldn 't take that shamus seriously even if he walked up to me on west madison in chicago and offered me one of his 'girls'. he could no more pass for a pimp than i could pass for the pope.
      there's more to this than meets the eye. the show within the show.

    • 2 years ago
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • montesooma:

      "And this post implies that the videos were overdubbed or edited --- can you prove that? "

      i can, and I'm not a lawyer. First, I want all the outtakes and I will require all witnesses on both sides to testify under oath.

      I don't need a law degree to proclaim that the so-called expose video falls fall short of the burden of proof in a court of law. Surely you don't think this POS hit-peice has a legal leg to stand on?
      Furthermore, the action taken is illegal in several states, including some of the states in question.
      You'd be naive to believe that ACORN is not preparing to sue O'keefe and his Jesus Ho.
      I sense the onset of a pending lawsuit. Stay tuned.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
  • unphiltered
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      unphiltered  

    • Exactly its a crime to unknowingly videotape Law Enforcement....for that reason. They don't follow the law and the backlash by the public would be tremendous if we were allowed to tape and point out poor ethics by municipalities and up.

      I actually know a guy who hid in a bush with his camera, videotaped a police officer and a young man which escalated to the young man fleeing and being shot in the back by the officer.....because he did not identify that he was there and recording, the locals and fed jumped his ass and threatened hard time in the pen if the vid was used.....solely because it showed what ACTUALLY happened and incriminated the local LE for shooting and killing an unarmed man who was fleeing.

      And on the ACORN subject, its just a money filtering/fraud source anyway. They close this one quickly because they do not want people looking into the 200 some odd business that officials use ACORN for to funnel that money. Eliminate the need to dig deeper and start a new charity to funnel through....thats politics.

    • 2 years ago
  • librelover
  • RFIDemocracy
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      RFIDemocracy  
    • unphiltered:

      "And on the ACORN subject, its just a money filtering/fraud source anyway. They close this one quickly because they do not want people looking into the 200 some odd business that officials use ACORN for to funnel that money. Eliminate the need to dig deeper and start a new charity to funnel through....thats politics."

      Yet another completely unsubstantiated and fact-free claim. You do not have one single shred of evidence to support the bullshit you just spouted, do you?

    • 2 years ago
  • pakazak
  • Darevalo
  • masterzip
  • masterzip
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      masterzip  

    • a precedent is set.
      time to expose every shifty organization that uses government money to break the laws. i see nothing wrong with the motive or method.....lets all go out and film our government doing shady business and expose them for the criminals they are

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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