Community | September 28, 2009 | 51 comments

California dreaming of full marijuana legalization

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In California Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Governor, who has had to cut services to handle a $24 billion budget deficit for the coming year, has suggested that legalisation should be considered.

The smell gives the game away. A sweet herbal scent wafts from the medicines inside the smart display cases in the Harborside clinic in Oakland, California.

This is a marijuana dispensary, where the prescriptions have names like Super Silver Haze and Purple Trainwreck and customers need a “recommendation note” from a doctor.

Medical marijuana has become big business in California and the drug is approved for a range of conditions and for “any other illness for which marijuana provides relief”. In these straitened financial times, booming sales and healthy tax revenues mean that full legalisation of cannabis may be just around the corner.

The Harborside Health Centre — opened by Stephen DeAngelo, 51, in 2006 — alone employs 77 people, has 30,000 registered patients and brings in about $20 million (£12.4 million) annually in revenue.
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Across California there are an estimated 2,100 dispensaries, co-operatives, wellness clinics and taxi delivery services in the sector known as “cannabusiness”. That is more than all the Starbucks, McDonald’s and 7-Eleven outlets in the state put together.

These dispensaries, with names like My Green Heaven Ministry, sell marijuana in bud and resin forms and offer other cannabis products, including hash cookies, cooking oils and bottled drinks.

In some high-end stores, there are pastry chefs to ensure the highest-quality cannabis baked goods. Most cannabis co-operatives, which produce their own plants, also sell potted plants and seeds for patients to grow their own medicine.

“People are choosing to become legal cannabis consumers because they don’t want to go out on the corners and deal with thugs and gangsters to get their medicine,” Mr DeAngelo told The Times.
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51 comments // California dreaming of full marijuana legalization

  • blueidgem72
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      blueidgem72  
    • I have watched people around me go broke as the pain pill clinics got busted within the last 3 weeks. I personally have a job with real pay and in this area that is rare. People were depending on their prescriptions in order to pay their bills and now have no idea of how to make a living. The people here that I do see making ends meet are smoking weed instead of popping pills to relax. What is wrong with that? Its a relaxing buzz and I have never heard of anyone overdosing on pot. Legalize it, I'll pay the taxes or start a garden!!! thanks

    • 1 year ago
  • Im_amazing
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      Im_amazing  
    • dont smoke dont care. i dont think people should go to jail for something that help though. but now if its legalized how old will a person have to be to smoke it 21+? then there will be underage smokers, what do we do with them? do we allow people do grow it? if so how do we tax that?! if no, the Feds will start busting State funded farms and marketers, then what?

      it seems this will create more problems then solutions for California. Legalization needs to begin at the Federal First.

    • 2 years ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • If the Federal Constitutional legal standard were applied past the vacated 1937 Prohibition which was then re-enacted during the Nixon era,and has been enforced ever since, the DEA would not be out of bounds as much as it has been. Because any legitimate Federal interest would only apply eg: across State lines, on the high seas, in airplanes, crossing international borders to smuggle in or out of the USA, or using U.S. money to purchase it. Why only these ? Because the Constitutional purpose for Federal law enforcement has well defined limitations.
      That's the entire purpose for having a Constitution. To define limitations, and abide by them is to forstall
      tyrany. We all know what Tyrany is. Because Big Pharma knows Cannabis to be its main competitor, it has to be useing stealth to pull the DEA's stings behind the scenes to have the DEA strike MJ dispensaries like Quantrills Raiders hit Kansas after the civil war. Ie: lawlessly. I'm guessing this is why many naive people continue to wonder why the current Administrations stated policy, which is Constitutional and honest, doesn't appear to be consistent with what they have seen continue on in spite of it. The Federal Government, domesticly, has to step in say If the State of California could not enforce its own Sovereign Statutes within its borders because of Organized Crime activity for example. Since the Feds have the sole power to coin money, they might legitimately object to U.S. legal tender being used to buy/sell M.J. The barter system would then be used in lieu of money to trade for M.J. Since Gold and Silver are no longer monentized as legal tender, you would then be within your rights to barter even precious metals to obtain it pursuant to California State legalization. Note too that the Bill of Rights et seq. aren't the only parts of the Federal Constitution which define a citizen's rights. 2 other parts also define them. Paraphrased,one part is "that each State shall give full faith & credit to the laws of another State" (a 10th Amendment thing) And, "the right of every citizen to make and enforce a legal contract shall not be abridged by agents of any Governmental level". Every State has its own laws to redefine the common law requirements of what conditions constitute a legal contract. Generaly, noone can legaly contract to procure any substance or material defined as contraband. But under the 10th Amendment, California has it's own State's right to legalize M.J. ("All powers not reserved to the Federal Government, nor prohibited to them by it, shall devolve to the States or the People ") You can bet the Supreme Court would accept ruling on any California appeal if the DEA attempted interfering with California enforcing its future proposed law. And the likelihood is very great that the Court would uphold the State law. Back in the 1960s we used to have this quaint notion that you should be able to barter for seeds, then grow your own for personal purposes be it medical, religious,etc Because to take M.J. out of the realm of human evil altogether, and realy free it, you have to admit you need to eliminate the taint of money in all respects. Sure it's a hippie's dream tp procure it that way. But that's the way of the original Americans who founded the USA. Historicaly they relied on the Hemp plant to spare themselves of having to spend their money on anything it could substitute for. Eg:,they wouldn't chop down a tree to make paper, they'd use Hemp, and keep the logs to make a cabin with. Cannabis/Hemp could be used as materials to do so many things with that would normaly require money to buy alternate materials. And they often bartered the flowers as medicine to procure things. The original Americans were shrewdly prudent with their money. Anyone counterfeiting currency was executed. The warnings were printed on colonial currency. And that was because the notes were able to be redeemed for Gold.

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • unclecharlie
  • noxidereus
  • Conniepae
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      Conniepae  
    • unclecharlie:

      If unclecharlie was trying to be slick in his heart attack comment, he should be ashamed! I had not thought of that, but I hope that was not his intention. I give him more credit than that.

      unclecharlie, if you were trying to be backwardly rude by the heart attack comment, shame on you! I'll give you the benefit of doubt. I don't think you are that ignorant. Don't prove me wrong.

    • 2 years ago
  • TrilLogic
  • Molotov
  • cyanide7
  • H0M3GR0WN
  • jswiz
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      jswiz  
    • : ) i may not not have to go to amsterdam after all , just remmember the people have the power to make this happend so get out there and make your vote count.

    • 2 years ago
  • FlexSF
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      FlexSF  
    • I love the picture, and I don't smoke marijuana. Conversely, I support it's legalization.

      But, I do have a request for my pot head co-workers; please keep up to the same pace as everyone else that you work with. Your slacker behavior in the work environment are the source of un-necessary tension. If you can't handle the side effects of consuming THC, grow up and move over, because someone else can facilitate the demands of the job environment more efficiently!

    • 2 years ago
  • Conniepae
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      Conniepae  
    • FlexSF:

      No one should be afforded the luxury of being a slacker at work. Not a stoner, or lazy human being. Some people who have never touched cannabis are slackers.

      Plus, smoking during work time is not something I support. But, what I do in the privacy of my own home, should be just that - private!

      Urine should not outweigh ability. If the only way they can find out someone smokes cannabis, is by checking their pee, something is wrong with that picture.

    • 2 years ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • FlexSF:

      Just want to point out that is a stereotype (pot-heads are slackers). I've got lots of extremely successful friends (college grads) who are all pot-heads. Younger teens who smoke might try to fit that slacker stereotype because I don't know - do they think it's cool or something? But I know many pot-heads who are adults and nobody would know, because they're not slackers. As an author of 2 computer programming books, I'm no slacker either.

    • 2 years ago
  • siloe05
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      siloe05  
    • I've been caught before by the police with marijuana here in Los Angeles and I do not have the medical card but the cops now a days, or at least here won't even take you in for having marijuana. They have let me kept me stuff (gas mask, bong, lighter, bud) so many times because they know it is more harmless than alcohol and definitely tobacco! So anyone who is a straight pothead would love L.A.! =]] Legalize it!!

    • 2 years ago
  • SHAWN_RITTIMAN
  • Think_LED
  • Nephwrack
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      Nephwrack  
    • hasn't Obama decided to not enforce federal pot laws at the state level? meaning if the states approve the pot laws that there is no federal order to go after the clinics?

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • Nephwrack
  • J_Jammer
  • Conniepae
  • TheOuroborus
  • usmcpoole
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      usmcpoole  
    • Look at that little old lady she has probably been suffering from pain for years. Her body has natural morphine receptors but disappeared once she hurt herself but she also has what is called cannabinoid receptors. These receptors are part of the cell membrane.Then it gets technical being a protein and helping with energy. Then when you put THC into your body the cannabinoid receptors and THC work together creating what could be called a NATURAL PAIN KILLER.

    • 2 years ago
  • caverat101
  • DreSandoval
  • Mudboy16
  • spacemikey
  • Darevalo
  • Drach
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      Drach  
    • Growing and harvesting plants should be a human right.

      What would you do if they tried to abolish herb and vegetable gardens?

      These laws are old and obsolete, it's time to do away with them.

    • 2 years ago
  • Sebastian9
  • Quiggles
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      Quiggles  
    • Drach:

      Just to play devil's advocate, they can even make it illegal to grow vegetables. It's the commerce clause and if congress wants they can even regulate anything you grow

    • 2 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • Quiggles
  • 03jonesc
  • thecoyote23
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      thecoyote23  
    • My dad came to visit when I was in the Navy and somehow the topic of pot came up, and my girlfriend asked if he wanted to smoke some. The funny thing is when she went to grab her stash he told her not to so he could grab his, and even better he had bought it from one of my friends dads back home. He then hit the gravity bong with my girlfriend. I couldnt smoke though since I had regular tests. It was just a funny experience. The world will be a better place when pot is legal.

    • 2 years ago
  • Conniepae
  • redvelvet1278
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • thecoyote23:

      I have smoked with my parents too. It is great bonding that I don't think could have been possible otherwise, and I'm saying that as someone who has always gotten along perfectly with my parents. It just took it to the next level. There was a long period when life wasn't very kind to my family and we were all depressed for a while (divorce - mine, death - my grandma got hit by a car, near-death - my dad literally almost died like 3 times for 3 unrelated things in a span of like 5 years and then he got cancer and beat it, etc). Cannabis was one of the most helpful things that got us out of that funk. My parents are on medical MJ and I am helping them grow it.

      I used to think marijuana should be illegal, but that was before I knew what it was like, then I realized how I was duped by propaganda. I'm happy to see times changing. Hopefully this will be a bipartisan issue. It'll be legal soon. Who would have thunk it? Times are really changing man. America just might grow up a bit. :-)

    • 2 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • The federal government comes and raids these dispensaries, which are a violation of federal drug laws. But under California law these things are perfectly legal. This is a state sovereignty issue if I've ever seen one.

    • 2 years ago
  • Darevalo
  • samthesixth
  • Incredulous
  • schobiz
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      schobiz  
    • I support marijuana legalization. What I'm curious about is when it does become fully legalized, what will happen to the market? Will the price drop? Will more people begin growing? Will less people grow? Will it remain the same?

    • 2 years ago
  • thecoyote23
  • Thargor19
  • freshfish
  • spacemikey
  • noxidereus
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