Michael Moore tells Democrats: 'Find your spine' on health care

But in *front* of his words he is saying, "See my movie."
That's the point, glad you picked up on it. It pays to advertise.

how ignorant are you? if he is rich and arguing against his own tax bracket, how does that invalidate his argument for the majority of the country? so someone who has made money (hey this is capitalism!) exposing the plight of those with no money decides to speak up for those without it, and then you criticize him. way to go. seriously, superb job.

who fucking cares how he looks, or even how much he makes, as long as he is rocking the boat against you assholes who claim that everything is fine and that we can continue to ignore the vast majority of people who can't afford to LIVE let alone pursue happiness and health at the expense of a minority of rich pricks.

"how ignorant are you?"

Way. Read some of Abe's other asinine posts.

Or, instead of your pretentious diatribe of definitions, it was an accident on hitting the "o" twice.

Unfortunately we can't all be perfect like you think you are.

Oh, a fatty joke. How enlightening......to your age.

He makes all kinds of jokes that are not intellectual. It was only fair.

Ad hominems. Run out of live ammo? That's all you got, huh? He's fat. I hate Michael Moore. Because, because, he, he...he is a big fat fatty.

Pretty cheap shot, even for Jammer.

That's not all I got, but that's all he's worth.

He doesn't look at anything but his greed. After watching Sicko and him going to Cuba in that pretentious manner....I don't have any respect for any thing that falls out of that way too open mind his.

That's how the fat boy rolls.

I don't hate him. I feel sorry for him and anyone that thinks he's smart.

"I don't hate him. I feel sorry for him and anyone that thinks he's smart."

Anyone else notice Jammer just inadvertently demonstrated the very epitome of irony?

You are one piece of work, Jammer.
Did you get beat up in school much for being an asshole?
I'm guessing 'yeah'. or perhaps it's a more recently acquired trait.

OHNOSE you don't like it when someone makes fun of your hero?

Sorry. Look how you treat anyone you don't like...Rush, Beck...whatever Republican you want to wrongfully harpoon with your hate.

And yet you have a problem with me calling someone exactly what they are....fat.

There's NO denying that one, and you haven't have you? No. You try to turn this around on me instead of disproving the comment of him being fat.

Kind of hard when there's blatant evidence against you. You don't have much room to spin or wiggle like you normally do.

As Reagan would say, 'There you go again, Jammer'.

"OHNOSE you don't like it when someone makes fun of your hero?"

Thanks for putting those words in my mouth there, Tex. Words that I neither spoke nor even implied.

Let's review, shall we?

Jammer: "I don't hate him. I feel sorry for him and anyone that thinks he's smart."

RFID: "Anyone else notice Jammer just inadvertently demonstrated the very epitome of irony?"

Feel free to parse my words carefully and indicate how I expressed my displeasure. As usual, Jammer misses the point. Copy and paste the entire post if you like.

Once again, Jammer attampts to apply the straw man argument.
FAIL

You use every single debating cliche you can pull out of your little notebook and then pretend you made a point.

The problem, though, is that you have posted replies to every single person who has said something negative about the fat American and you're trying to brashly convince people that you do not like him like even if it's not like hero (my exaggeration of course).

I have replied to many in many threads and have been the main poster in them, but at least I can admit what I'm doing. You're afraid to admit it?

"The problem, though, is that you have posted replies to every single person who has said something negative about the fat American and you're trying to brashly convince people that you do not like him like even if it's not like hero (my exaggeration of course)."

Again with the bullshit, Tex. Show me where I am, in your words, "trying to brashly convince people that you do not like him".

Note: I disregarded the latter part of the 'sentence', which was incomprehensible. You can edit that now. What have you got to 'loose'.

You've stated nothing.

Try again.

On the contrary, I have clearly stated you are full of shit. But, I see your point. Saying that Jammer is full of shit is like saying the sky is blue.
It's common knowledge.

Common knowledge isn't needed to be shared since it's already known. Stating what is common knowledge is like stating you don't mean to be rude......it's a lie.

"The problem, though, is that you have posted replies to every single person who has said something negative about the fat American and you're trying to brashly convince people that you do not like him like even if it's not like hero (my exaggeration of course)."

this is really pathetic. your own comments about him being fat are a perfect example. the negative things people are saying about him here are completely irrelevant.

how does him being fat refute any of his arguments? sure it's a fact, but a fact that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the discussion. it seems like you can't come up with a rational, logical response to moore's positions so you resort to childish insults.

Funny you believe that and yet you like Michael Moore....who does exactly what you are complaining about.

Not sure what kind of point you attempting to make but...

"If they vote one way and their constituency says we wanted you to vote the other way and they say but Michael Moore said I should vote this way, how do you think that is going to fly."

What Moore is doing is not telling people how to vote but reminding them about what once made America great. An inclusive society where all are created and treated equally and the rule of law applies equally to everyone, government of the people, for the people, by the people.

One of many. And they may pass it, and they may get re-elected. But it will be because their constituency wanted it, not because Michael Moore does.

Blanche Lincoln (D-AR). 55% support public option, 38% against.

"But it will be because their constituency wanted it, not because Michael Moore does."

Are you aware of anyone made such a claim or you just spend your day standing up strawmen?

"See Mike, it may be foreign to you, being a Canadian and all, but here in America, next year when those Blue Dogs run for re-election, your opinion don't mean shit."

Wanna bet? I smell another blockbuster. And the press is behind this movie, as it should be since all his movies are excellent, bar none.
* Time: 'Moore's Magnum Opus'
* Bloomberg: 'Scathing, Effective and Hilarious'
* AP: 'Warmly Received'
* USA Today: 'Quintessential Moore'
* Los Angeles Times: 'Classic'
* Variety: 'One of His Best Films'
* New York Times: 'Moving Beyond Words'
* The Independent: 'Rousing and Entertaining'
* Guardian: 'Tumultuous Applause'
* Michael's Washington Post Webchat
* CapitalismALoveStory.com
* Rolling Stone: 'Fireball of a Movie Could Change Your Life'

Oh deary, that could work in his favor.
I guess that means it's your opinion that 'don't mean shit'.

Moore isn't even Canadian.

"only stoners and homosexuals read the rolling stone for news"

how is your own homophobia at all relevant to this discussion?

clayjj05
"You just listed some of the most liberal publications in america."

Did I? The Guardian is UK last I checked. Which is even worse for you because that means Moore is receiving international critical acclaim as opposed to just universal national acclaim

"only stoners and homosexuals read the rolling stone for news"
News? When did movie reviews become 'news'?

clayjj05

More reviews from more of the 'most liberal' publications in America

Los Angeles Times:
"It is Moore at his most passionate, most personal and most political, and that is something not to be missed."

Minneapolis Star Tribune:
"'Capitalism' is a Molotov cocktail thrown straight at the heart of the New York Stock Exchange. The impact is spectacular."

MacLeans:
'Capitalism: A Love Story' may be the best film of his career."

"Capitalism" earned more than Mike's last film, "Sicko," did on its opening weekend and is on track to be one of the top 5 grossing documentaries of all time (which will give Mike 4 of the top 7 all-time docs!).
"Capitalism" remains the highest grossing per-screen average for any film in limited release in 2009.

How about nothing? Maybe you were unaware of his special offer. It's running for free in several major centers. I guess that's the opposite of your spurious accusation, right?
Here, I'll say it for you. "Wow, I didn't realize I was such an asshole".

I ignore morons. Just sayin'

Don't spend time with yourself, then.

Just sayin'.

Go fuck yourself, Tex. Just sayin'

"another thing it bashes on capitalism, and than uses it to make millions of dollars to buy hoe hoes that hes dips in crisco."

You have more than a passing interest in crisco, it appears.

It is true. All he cares about is making money.

That's why he stated that he'd quit making documentaries because they don't work and make an action film.

If he believed half of what he put in his films he wouldn't quit so easily.

if all he's concerned about is making money, don't you think it would be in his best interest to divert attention AWAY from the issues he continually raises in his documentaries?

your argument makes no logical sense. do you people even think about what you're spouting before you do it?

And yet he's a quitter.

Guess his cause was too crappy to continue.

"And yet he's a quitter."

Is that future tense?

Why does it need to be?

The moment you state you're going to quit...you already did.

"The moment you state you're going to quit...you already did."

Wow. I'm relieved then because he did not make such a statement.

**"I'm saying it's a possibility, yeah," Moore said in an interview at the Toronto International Film Festival, where "Capitalism" played in advance of its limited release in theaters Sept. 23 and nationwide rollout Oct. 2.

"I've done this for 20 years. I started out by warning people about General Motors, and my whole career has been trying to say the emperor has no clothes here, and we better do something about it," Moore said. "I've been having to sort of knock my head against the wall here for 20 years saying these things.

"Two years ago, I tried to get the health-care debate going, and it did eventually, and now where are we? We may not even have it. What am I supposed to do at a certain point?"**

When you are as myopic as Jammer, it's easy to translate "I'm saying it's a possibility, yeah" into "I already quit, I am cleaning out my desk?"
They say even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Jammer. Hang in there, it's sure to happen to you eventually.
If you post a couple of hundred more comments on this Michael Moore story, one of them is bound to be accurate.

You certainly seem concerned, given the overwhelming volume of your posts. MM gets under your skin, n'est pas?

"It is true. All he cares about is making money."

Only the Jammer knows what lurks in the hearts of men.
God reads Michael Moores thoughts and tells Jammer what he thinks.
Presto.
Sweeping proclamation revealing Michael Moore's private thoughts.

Sarah Palin

I don't have to post more to be accurate when I already am.

You are just defending him blindly. Unless you are willing to state what is wrong with him....otherwise why should anyone trust what you have to say? So far all you do is justify everything he does. He could assassinate the President and you'd defend his actions as great for America.

Exaggeration of course, but you don't seem to have one truthful thing to say about him. No one is perfect and if you can't point out someone's flaws as well as their attributes then you're doing a whole lot of lying.

He can't so possibility and still be full fledged person on what he believes. Sorry...one ounce of quit..is a quitter. All it takes is a single thought and it snowballs into quitting and the quitting happens before someone says they quit. They already mentally decided to do so before the words escape their mouth.

And as for knowing what he's thinking, looks like you do or you wouldn't feel the need to defend him....you're not him so you defending him is you pretending to know what he's thinking.

Nice try, but you continue to screw up and it's like a clown when they are purposely trying to make people laugh....except you think you're making excellent points.

"You are just defending him blindly."
Am I? How did you arrive at that 'conclusion'?

"He could assassinate the President and you'd defend his actions as great for America."
There's another brilliant statement.

"Exaggeration of course, but you don't seem to have one truthful thing to say about him."

Really? Like? Of course your caveat 'seems' is something of an out, which makes your comment subjective as opposed to factual.

"He can't so possibility and still be full fledged person on what he believes. Sorry...one ounce of quit..is a quitter. All it takes is a single thought and it snowballs into quitting and the quitting happens before someone says they quit. They already mentally decided to do so before the words escape their mouth."

You are flailing. And failing.

"He can't so possibility and still be full fledged person on what he believes."

Is that so? Do verify. 100% subjective again.

"And as for knowing what he's thinking, looks like you do or you wouldn't feel the need to defend him....you're not him so you defending him is you pretending to know what he's thinking."

Unlike yourself, I never claimed to know what Michael Moore, nor anyone else, is thinking.
I appreciate his films and I have said so.
Since every single one of them has earned universal critical acclaim and enormous box office success, it's possible I may even be correct.

"Nice try, but you continue to screw up and it's like a clown when they are purposely trying to make people laugh....except you think you're making excellent points."

Projection, Bilbo. Projection.

Jammer:

**Moore then warned that if Obama did not turn things around fairly rapidly, "a year from now, the next movie may be about him".

Michael Moore discusses tentative plans for his next film. I guess that's what quitters do. Talk about their next project.
Talk about making a mountain out of an obscure, throwaway comment in an interview molehill.

Keep 'em coming. you are easy prey.

Not a single comment about what he's done wrong?

So you do think he's perfect.

Thank you.

As for the Obama thing...he doesn't attack democrats as a whole, so he's a fake until it actually happens.

"Not a single comment about what he's done wrong?"

What do you want? He ate too many cheetos? He drives a minivan? I hate that hat?

"So you do think he's perfect."
Only religious zealots believe in perfection. I do not. nobody is perfect, no exceptions.

"As for the Obama thing...he doesn't attack democrats as a whole, so he's a fake until it actually happens."

He doesn't attack Republicans as a whole., so why should he attack Democrats as a whole. They are not monolithic, they are individuals. Not every republican is an asshole, though the Chuck Hagels are getting out of the business in droves. Conversely, not every democrat is an asshole, though the party is in poor shape.

Frankly, I don't give a shit what the targets of Moore's films choose for party affiliation. It's entirely irrelevant.

I know you seek to edit from your mind what you don't want to see but I feel it's incumbent upon me to point to the line in the article that says:
"To the Democrats in Congress," Moore said, "find your spine. Read the polls. And see us coming."

Not sure how anyone, aside from yourself, of course, could read that sentence and make the claim that Moore doesn't threaten to target Democrats, only Obama.

There is an entire industry sprouted up who's focus is to destroy Michael Moore. But he just keeps getting more popular and more successful.

I could see how that would rankle you, as an *apparent devoted hater of all things liberal.

*caveat

Your last sentence is a lie and you said it anyway knowingly.

And you still didn't say what is wrong with him therefore you praise is nose shoving up butt-ish.

but continue, I'm sure he'll thank you personally.

Jammies
"Your last sentence is a lie and you said it anyway knowingly. "

Really? Care to read it again before you weep? It's still there *unedited*, unlike your little phoenetic faux pas, which you 'fixed'.

"And you still didn't say what is wrong with him therefore you praise is nose shoving up butt-ish."

Besides the above being a false statement, I have never inserted my nose up Mike's, nor anyone's butt and hope I never do. I'd prefer to experience that vicariously through some of your own personal anecdotes and campfire confessions.

But back to the point.
I clearly responded to your stupid strawman question, which you formed around the false premise that I 'think Michael Moore is perfect', wholly extrapolated either striaght from the ether or the dank recesses of your butt.
To underscore the aforementioned remark, I invite you to quote my post where I said anything even remotely resembling I 'think Michael Moore is perfect'.

My direct answer to your deficient question was, quote, "What do you want? He ate too many cheetos? He drives a minivan? I hate that hat?"

Had you scrolled upthread, I wouldn't have had to point that out.
Anyhoo... Still waiting for your claim to be verified based on anything I said. But thanks for putting words in my mouth just the same.

Which brings me to my next observation: Your pathological imperative to have the last word under any circumstances, as though by boring your debating opponent and any hapless observers to death with moronic ad hominems and projection and I-know-you-are-but-what-am-Is and straight up persistence, along with 24/7 support, you have somehow vanquished those that would mock your profound and insufferable emotional immaturity and your terminal narcissism.

Exhibit 1: 'You know what he needs to do? Lose weight to find his.'
-Jammer

Exhibit 2: That's not all I got, but that's all he's worth.
-Jammer
(Whispering...thats all he's got)
Exhibit 3: You've stated nothing.
-Jammer
(False, I stated plenty; see for yourself upthread)
Exhibit 4: (personal fave) I don't have to post more to be accurate when I already am.
(ie: dead wrong, itself technically 'accurate' in a way)

While you may believe incessant, continuous crowing and bloviating 24/7 constitutes making some kind of a point; in my world, your little wiener-dog won't hunt.

You're one of those people that use strawman comment so that you don't have to answer a fairly simple question.

You stated that he wasn't perfect.

Now all you have to do is state why.

If you can't....then why did you state he isn't perfect if you don't have a reason as to why?

You can't take the spotlight. You like to have other people in it you can't explain anything you believe without trying to insult others.

Sigh...
OK, I just re-read the entire tedious thread and the *FIRST* time this question came up when when it was spewed forth from your own gaping maw.

To wit: "You are just defending him blindly. Unless you are willing to state what is wrong with him....otherwise why should anyone trust what you have to say? So far all you do is justify everything he does. He could assassinate the President and you'd defend his actions as great for America."

You, Jammer, --demanded-- that I state 'what's wrong with MM'. I said nothing of the sort nor did I even come anywhere close to saying 'Michael moore is not perfect (but I'm not telling you why) or whatever the fuck your specious claim is.
You are full of shit.
...and this myth is **BUSTED**

PS: Do go back and review the entire thread as I did.

Don't care about reviewing anything.

i asked a question and I don't understand why it's so hard for you to answer.

Which is why stating you think he's perfect is viable until proven otherwise.

And I answered it. Look it up for yourself

Sarcasm doesn't answer it.

Perfect it is.

"It made $4 Million dollars for the fat man that doesn't like to make money."
$4,849,067, 5 million in my world, not 4.

"Zombieland made 25$ With 89% on Rottentomatoes."
My error, I misread.
Happy that Americans think zombies are still cool. I like chainsaws, too.

What was that question you demanded I answer?

Moore is into telling what's wrong with other people.

It's only fair the same treatment happens to him.

What's wrong with what he does?

Make him do it

"Then, he'll be able to socialize with higher humans than now, and learn what else is bad and wrong and negative so he can exploit the fault, and make a few million more, while yelling that capitalism is bad."

Perhaps you are having difficulty distinguishing the difference between honest personal success (which Moore has enjoyed tons of, with an emphasis on 'honest') and flogging sub-prime mortgages and credit default swaps. You really tend to miss the point of most discussions, don't you?

Who was it again who said "I don't belong to any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"?

Heh heh -- well met, V...

Sounds about right.

Pretentious dribble.

I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.

* Ch. 9 "Rogers was a lifelong Democrat but he studiously avoided partisanship. He contributed to the Democratic campaign funds, but at the same time he frequently appeared on benefit programs to raise money for the Republican treasury. Republican leaders sought his counsel in their campaigns as often as did the Democrats." ~ P. J. O'Brien

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You may quote and like people's quotes, but you should use them right and correctly and not as weapons of destruction when the person that said it wasn't nearly as terrible.

None of you have done what he has done. Using his quote to glow and gloat is disgraceful to the quote and it's actual intention.

Oh please, JJ - nobody used this quote to glow and gloat, least of all myself.

Yes you did.

Because he may have claimed to be part of one party for their standards (AT THAT TIME....not now he wouldn't be) but he did NOT constantly degrade any side.

You cannot use that quote if you degraded the other side with snide comments or attacks.

And you have.

So, yes you used it the way I said.

Utter nonsense, JJ. The words in the quote are perfectly applicable today. You are making a mountain out of a mini-molehill, and are constantly guilty of what you accuse me of doing. Get a life.

As I said you misused the quote.

Your aggression makes that apparent.

No I did not misuse that quote, neither did I agress anyone. You don't know me nor are you a telepath, yet you claim to know better than me in what spirit I posted that quote whose words are as ad hoc today as they were when they were first proffered, even if the context has changed. You are being silly, at best.

No they are not.

You didn't even ready why it was uttered. Because if you did you would see your folly.

And I have not stated anything about you as a whole, just about your use of a quote...which was poorly used and that is not just silly, that's intellectually sad.

"You didn't even ready"???

I know a great deal about Will Rogers, his bipartisanship and his many jokes. I find this quote to be applicable today, and to have been applicable constantly since he made that statement. You are nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking and because you crave undeserved attention.

Come, let me gnaw your fingernails that I may absorb and lose myself in the wise and gritty detritus that is you.

Yes read, ready -- you didn't do one and you aren't the other.

It's not nitpicking.

If you knew of him then you should have known who said the quote and stated o in the first post. Beside the point.....it is not applicable today. You do not represent that quote in anything that you state on this site and using means you're using it wrong. Neither does the CZ.

And you're not doing very well with your not insulting clause that you decided to agree with in another thread.

That's why I posted about how it was a joke who agreed with said statements.

Again proving you quote many things but you don't know what they really mean. Because if you did it wouldn't be that hard to abide by them enough to show you understand them.

Softly seething, surreal breathing..
Ignite the cannon with sphagnum lanthum..
Laud the armies of diphthongs with your superannuating Diphtheria..
And I will ever be your combustive tablature of igneous geometries.

"In serving the wicked, expect no reward, and be thankful if you escape injury for your pains."

I would beg to see your arms raised in calcification towards the expanding horizon as the minutemen stand before me with their phallic gums aimed and loaded..

"Change of habit cannot alter Nature."

The perils of your eyelashes torture my libido into a state of crass belief in Roman Catholicism.

Pearls before swine.

Free Screenings Tonight of "Capitalism" for the Jobless and Homeless in America's Hardest Hit Cities (plus local benefit premieres all across the country).

Not bad for a "the rich white ahole capitalist"

Ooh, he gave something away for free. Does that make him non-Capitalist or less rich? I don't think so.