Beck guru Skousen's "story of slavery" suggests slave owners were "worst victims of the system"

Great point, Ali55. Sad thing is that there are many people who love to say exactly that. Can't understand the mentality but it's out there.

Do you have facts on lynchings and hangings in the 60's and 70's compared to black on white murders, robberies, and rapes for the same time period? I am just curious, you seem so sure of your conclusions?

Loon, what exactly is your point? That if we account for all the incidents of black people committing crimes and then compare that to incidents of lynchings we can then empirically decide whether race was a mitigating factor in said lynchings? You seem bent on trying to use your own special brand of logic in your posts. First with your problems with the picture not giving us all the pertinent data and now you have a problem with Ali55's statement.

So let's get down to the nitty gritty...what exactly is your position on race and its position of priority in American history. You can use all the smoke screens you want but you wouldn't be posting here if you didn't have an agenda. So out with it, already!

Of course I use my own logic? it would be wrong to use the logic of someone else. My agenda, H'mmm!
Could it be a refusal to allow a misrepresentation of facts.
As per, the Charles Chesnutt digital archives from Tuskegee Institute. From 1960 to 1968 their were five lynchings in America. Two white and three black Americans. Thus, my response to Ali.
I have never agreed with the article as posted. I have simply attempted to supply a point of view at odds with other peoples opinions. Ali made a statement not supported by fact and I chose to ask for facts rather than an emotional response.
My position on race in America? I am not sure. However, I do know one thing. If you keep picking a pimple on your nose, it will never heal.
As a minority living in Nigeria, I can assure you that no race has a monopoly on racism.

I don't think at any point we made the jump to the idea that a certain race has a monopoly on racism. The picture, and the article, seems quite content to address racism in America-in particular how some people like to 'whitewash' slavery in American history in an effort to erase modern guilt.

I don't think it has anything to do with 'refusal to allow a misrepresentation of facts.' Otherwise you'd find yourself spending 24/7 on the internet correcting every post that doesn't provide the data and detail you feel is accorded.

'If you keep picking a pimple on your nose, it will never heal'? Again...seriously? You are equating the forced servitude of a specific race in America and the ongoing struggle with segregation to the healing or not healing of a skin condition?

You know what? Post away...you had me with the pimple metaphor.

hpseaton said "to whitewash modern guilt" Roflmao. As if I have any reason to be guilty. I can't call you what you are, because it would be classified as a "personal attack" So let the readers connect those dots.

I suppose that one man's pimple is another man's millstone.

Damn I know I'm in trouble when the great funnicus weighs in. From all your comments I would am going to lean in favor of: you have a lot to feel guilty for.

You can make any personal comment you feel appropriate...since you don't know me personally I wait with baited breath.

And you are going to let 'readers connect the dots'? Usually you seem quite direct in your assaults, but it doesn't hurt to be subtle at times and I applaud you for it.

As I said before Moon, post away...anyone that can equate racism and slavery to a skin condition will not find a detractor in me.

Leprosy and melanoma are also skin conditions. Would that analogy to slavery suit you better?
You seem to struggle to understand abstract reasoning and consistently fail to respond with any information. Other than negative comments about my responses.

Yeah, I knew sooner or later you would have to resort to that argument: my inability to understand your obviously higher intellect. Let's not lay out our, I'm sure, quite substantial intelligence credentials. You are not going to change my ideas on the horrible history of slavery and race in America, no matter how many analogies you trot out, or how many ways you point out my inability to take in your great intellectual leaps.

So on that note I will say again: post away. I will stay silent, in awe of your abstract reasoning. (Sorry had to get one more negative comment in. I'm done now)

But one does not curtail the other!

Yes, slavery, especially the sexual slavery of women and children, is horrifyingly present in our world.

Yes, the rich elite tend to lord it over the middle class and poor (although I wouldn't equate that with slavery).

But that does not mean we wipe away the horrors that were committed in our (recent) past and complain that addressing those deficits in our humanity is unjustified.

Slavery, past and present, is an insidious human invention that needs to be addressed on every level. Only then can we have the slightest chance of removing it from our future.

"sexual slavery of women and children" is horrifyingly present in your world? Apparently you don't live near me.

and you actually said "the horrors that were committed in our (recent) past"...

I have not participated in slavery recently nor in my past. Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

A.L , like I used to tell my history teachers when they spewed that nonsense.... They why has not history ever repeated itself even one time? Now is all we get. There's no racism in my household. I hate and fight it. And sometimes the most cutting edge observations turn out to be the most controversial. I say bring it on out. I just speak my mind.

BTW I didn't even read this article. my comments were stand alones.

I'm thankful that I don't live near you, because I believe it's fantasyland.

animal_libero. My comments were not racist, they were against racism. They were an attack on racism. And I have no requirement or need to be "sensitive"

All claims of hurt from my comments are simply an inverted (passive aggressive) attack born of pure ignorant racism. Nobody alive today was a black civil war slave. We can be sure hurt is imaginary and or feigned.

Deja-vu to my pointing out the most racist country left on the planet (ISRAEL) and when I do the sheep come out of the woodworks calling me an anti-semite. Although I am technically jewish through maternal ancestry.

Fuel for the fire of hate is words of hate and ignorance

Your comment was stupid...but they should have left it up for all to judge. Just because we don't agree with something posted doesn't mean it should be taken down.

animal_libero, the comment they suppressed of mine was a personal opinion / factual. Yours was a personal attack. I flagged them all. What did you think I would just get screwed and not screw back?

It was a nice burger. Now that's trollin'

Trolling is not by gig. It's not flaggable either. And it was done as a joke to demonstrate what trolling is, in response. Apparently calling somebody a troll is a personal attack. I would have gotten flagged if I called you a liar. And I still think censorship sucks. I guess that about covers everything.

I support nobody. Where do you come up with this crap?

Oh yeah I'm sure MLK would have LOVED to hear about how wonderful white masters treated their African slaves.

You're so deluded that you don't even know WHY what you said is racist.

You don't even recognize that writing apologetics for white slave owners, especially in light of the racial oppression they faced well after the civil war was over, is a statement of white supremacy.

These are humans we are talking about, not animals.

Humans are animals, but your point is definitely an obvious one.

There is a more sinister agenda at work here from people like funnicus, it stinks to the core of the 1960's.

Some people, Glenn Beck included, weren't on the MLK side of the civil rights movement. And they still aren't.

Edit : For some reason his post is gone, must have gotten flagged.

Big time! All of the related comments after his initial racist comment were removed.

They shouldn't remove his post. Let everyone read true stupidity in action.

That's your response? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

I could of course provide more information on the issue of slavery in America and the World in general. However, I suggest that you get an education regarding the issue and then ask me for an opinion. By the way I have researched the 1860's census in my home county and have no stain of slave ownership from any of my family or extended family members. Have you done so? What is your point? An inflammatory photo was posted, cropped, to ignore the origin of the photo. Of course, honesty is not always a trait that serves a political purpose. Is that all you got!

Your post was just a statement of fact, but the obvious connection he's made is that you've posted in it in order to defend the complete myth that "slave owners were worst victims of the system."

I hope that's not why you put that there, but it's pretty obvious to anyone who read that response that's what seaton was thinking.

Furthermore, while it is true that flogging was a punishment used on sailors, #1 sailors had a shit hard life in that era and #2 I can guarantee you that not even the mouthiest and insubordinate seaman came off a boat looking like THAT.

I didn't condemn you because I wanted to give you a chance to clarify your post, but if you're of the mindset of funnicus and Beck, I'd like to know what the fuck IS going through your head.

I do not support the original post at all. My complaint is the use of a photo from the internet without completely supplying the background of the photo, which took me about 3 minutes on Google to find. These inflammatory shots without explanations can easily lead to violence toward innocents in the name of revenge. This one posting could easily lead to a revenge attack from an angry black youth, thinking that he is justified in his anger, after reviewing this photo. Do you deny that this has happened in the past? Do you deny that it is irresponsible journalism to post this photo while failing to follow up with an explanation, thus putting an innocent person at risk?

The silence is deafening!

To my good friends; please Google, "Flogging around the Fleet". This will at least put some perspective on the flogging of slaves. I despise the punishment, but do not fail to recognize that this was not a racist punishment. It was an accepted punishment/incentive for slaves/indentured servants/laborers/ and sailors in the 1800's to perform their duties! You should be happy that you are not working in that era!

It was accepted by them, but you accept it as well?

Heh, because you "do not fail to recognize that this was not a racist punishment."

Other than cruel punishment, the whip was a symbol for white people to gain control over their slaves, and if the whip was used for a black person whipping on another black person at those slavery times, then they was the overseer who was willing to give in to the evilness to safe one's self...

I assume that you can read! I stated that I do not support the use of the whip. I stated that it was commonly used in the 1800's on slaves, freemen, servants, and sailors! Thus, your feeble attempt to assign these historical actions, as race based, are incorrect! These were accepted methods to enforce compliance from many laborers, without regard to race.
The scarification of this man's back is common as a result of flogging, yet is nothing, as compared, to the bone flogging delivered by the British Officers to their sailors! If you you want to be respected, then rail against this past injustice, of an equal inhumanity.

The silence wasn't deafening, I'm just not on current all day to respond to things.

Now that you've clarified that you were just stating fact, I really don't mind.

However, it's not "inflammatory" to post as picture like this without context. The bottom line is that slaves were treated this way and it's irrelevant that the treatment wasn't solely focused on them racially.

The picture demonstrates one of the many evils of slavery and the fact that flogging was used as a punishment at sea is also equally terrible considering how diligent and loyal most sailors were in spite of the brutality they faced on a daily basis.

But, I think my point still stands. Yeah, sailors and others were treated like shit too as part of the Draconian nature of the era. But I -seriously- doubt that sailors came off of boats looking like THAT.

And you are missing the point Loon, you just keep including saliors getting flogged when that actually has nothing to do with the topic, its like you just put that out there for your own reasons, and you make no snese for that..

Yes THIS is race-based, due to the fact of SLAVE OWNERS which was white and the whip was for the whipping of the black man

Basic fact its was racism, because the black man was black, and that is the reason why the white man whipped him, for it was not proper punishment at all..

We aren't comparing which is worse, the basic fact of it all was that slavery is torturing more than being some salior...

I really don't got all day for you to repsond Loon, so accept racism as it is, there isn't anything to compare it about slavery..

lol...MoonLoon no we can't read...that's why we keep responding to your posts. Anytime you want to 'school' me on history I would be more then willing. I think that would be a real hoot!

Good luck with your campaign to have every picture on the web supplying the background of the photo.

So after this long digression I'll go ahead and stand on my original 'seriously'.

"HP", as a scholar and "reader", I will give you the respect and opportunity to publish the statistics of black slave owners in the South and their brutality toward their African slaves. If you choose to ignore these historical facts, I will be happy to reference them on this post.

Moon, so sorry that we upset your sensibilities regarding flogging.

And now we git this gosh-dang "President" Barack Saddam Hussein Homobama bin Laden attackin our white culture wif his healthcare.

No credit? The one who gets the credit is the White president Abe Lincoln who was responsible for stopping slavery, the same pres who was assasinated for his desire for equality for all. Also, I'm pretty fucking sure the anti slavery civil war soldiers get credit every time there's a civil war re-enactment, which happen all the time....literally. All these statues and monuments comemorating their sacrifice and you say that? Do some research dude. I mean its obvious you support racism but do you have to be so open about it? That shit will get you killed where I come from. We as a nation are slowly but surely getting fed up with people like you.

Yeah, why is this listed as "under review" that's just another way of saying you are censoring it for no reason whatsoever. You will never get around to reviewing it, you never do. I'm not the type to just shut up as you know.
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well said

lol...nah, sounds like wannabe zen to me. Keep trying.

So if someone took a shotgun to your kneecap would it be "irresponsible" to blame the past for your handicap?

All the rhetoric in the world doesn't change the fact that the legacy of slavery haunts us to this day, especially not with people like Beck running around saying people were nice to their slaves.

Seriously, have you even attempted to imagine what it would be like to hear that if you were one of the descendants? You'd have a right to be pissed off.

"Saladin", you may suppose a right to be pissed off! But who pisses you off? The African Chiefs that sold their families, friends, and enemies into slavery? The British, American, Spanish, French, Arabic and Portugese slave traders? Business men throughout the World that benefited from the slave labor? It is easy to choose a particular race as being guility, whereas, few of us are free from guilt.

Good God Moon you are a stickler for details! So Saladin needs to define which aspect of slavery pisses him off? He needs to address all the various branches of the institution before he can be pissed off over the historic ramifications? WTF? You seem to have a real problem with race yourself. You keep going to the fact that a particular race (white) is taking too much blame for slavery. We are talking about American slavery and its echoes for America..so yes, we would be addressing the white race.

My neibor is a 96 year old black woman and if she has told me what her life was like growing up in the south it was a hard and short life for many. I can not imagine being beaten for drinking out of thr wrong water fountan or haven to eat what was more or less slop I love that old woman. her and her late husband help raise me and my brothers.She has told us many times about there struggle to suvive from day to day.She is the grand daughter of a slave. and I beleave every word that comes from her mouth if she said the world was going to end tommarow I would be willing to bet my last dollar the world would end tommarow

Yeah well Bailey, the same shit goes on today, can you imagine just for smoking the wrong plant you get worse than a beating (prison/ parole/ rehab) and with that comes maybe some beatings and ass-reamings for guys like you, but you will surely imagine what it's like to be fed slop too. So why not get to the present rather than entertaining these old greivances that do not apply today?

You know what funnicus I have been in jail for having a bag of weed in my pocket. It cost me $150.00 in fines and court cost and the weekend in jail. I was not raped or treated bad at all most of the jailers joked about me even being there. as they put it I was taking up space for real criminals. I would not have gotten arrested at all if I was not walking down the street smoking a joint they took my bag and let me keep my pipe. It is people like you that give people like me a bad name. so do me a faver and do not post any answers to any more of my post.

Thank you I could not have said it better...........

Good Comment.

I haven't watched Faux News since b4 the election and refuse to ever watch it again until terrorists or some other entity blows up their headquarters and kills all these racist fuckers

Oh good now we have heard from the stupid contingent. As if your picture didn't implicate you enough you have to go and learn to type.

you don't know what the hell your talking about.Slaves were beaten raped burnt castrated and worst. for petty shit such as looking at a white woman or acting like a human or just because master was having a bad day. I have read many books on the subject. Maybe you should do the same. I bet your one of them folks that still think slavery is Ok. That it was a good thing. it is white trash like you that give white folks like me a bad name.

Lol at the idiots who believe everything they see or hear as long as somebody else does too, and it was dramatized well enough on their "tv". Flagworthy personal attacks galore over a very righteous observation. Furthermore, none of you commenters were there, nor were your grandmas.

Guys, stop feeding the trolls. This should be basic internet knowledge by now.

Your right iloveravi some times they just say something that gets under my skin and I have to speak my mind.

I have often wondered why money hungry white men would damage or destroy a valuable asset, as a slave was. It just does not make sense. Unless, the planter was a sadistic bastard serial killer. Is it possible that the treatment toward slaves has been exxagerated to ease the guilt of the Federal Gov't. for murdering hundred's of thousand's of U.S. citizens that had no slaves at all, during the Civil War? Slavery was not a voluntary situation, however, Lincoln had a choice. He could have authorised funds to purchase and then free the slaves. He instead chose war and death for 600,000 American's. I guess this seemed a bargain to him. Propaganda has been used on both sides of this issue for hundreds of years, I chose a rational evaluation of the winners and losers of the slave issue. Do not forget that Yankees captained and owned the slave ships leaving the West African Coast .

Whomever you've been listening too and imitating is a ignorant bigot.

Funnicus- You have so many opinions about slavery and yet you were not there either. Do you deny the holocaust as well? Bigots like yourself don't deserve the time of day I agree. However humorous and savvy you try to be in your comments, we are not blinded by your obvious deep seeded hatred. Say what you will, but rest assured, Karma will find you and your nasty self.

Maybe crying and masturbating at the same time would do it.

Hahaha !