which is an excellent point bc_f.
just because you're a vegetarian/vegan doesn't mean you can't be a pinhead about where your food comes from.
when we get away from the belief that "we need to have what we want when we want it" and and learn to eat what's available locally, in season and healthy, THEN we'll be advancing a healthy lifestyle for the planet.
doesn't anyone know how to prepare and preserve food anymore? it's a lost art and we depend on mega-agri-business to supply us.
no wonder we're a country of wusses.

and i just happen to have some oddballs for you.
try separating facts from your belief system and see what you end up with.

Ho Ho Ho. Good points pakazak. @Locutus of Borg, I've read and reread your assertions and without meaning to be uncivil, logic tells me they are, as yet anyway, unsupported allegations For instance, you assert that humans have a small gut, and seem to think that alleged small gut is naturaly suited for cooked food in the form of meat and vegetables. FYI the small intestine of a 6 foot man is 24 feet long, a factor of 4 times his height. We do have a small stomach, but very long entrails. If you compare the anatomy of a human and their hominid ancestors, we as humans share a few things with the apes and chimpanzees. 1. we all have amylase enzymes in our saliva for breaking down the starchy carbohydrates in
fruits, vegetables, and grains/carnivorous predators like wolves and jungle cats have acidic saliva, not alkaline. 2. We have molars as teeth for grinding fibrous vegetation. 3. We have large intestinal guts meant for soluable & non soluable fibrous vegetative plant sources(meat rots quickly at 98 degrees,so predators have comparatively short intestines) 4. meat eating predators like wolves and jungle cats have fangs and claws meant for shreding flesh. We don't. 5.the concentration of hydrocloric acid in our stomachs is low compared to a lions or even a wolf. If you compared heavy meat eating humans to vegetarian humans you'll find out some startling facts. Meat eaters get sick a lot compared to vegetarians. I admit it is necessary to eat vegetables with meat because meat lacks any fiber, and you need that fiber to push it through you faster before it rots or you will get sick. But lack of meat doesn't make you weak as the myth goes. I haven't missed more than 2 days of work in 20 years to sickness. And how many people do you know that can kick an influenza virus in only 2 days ??? Like my species' cousins the apes and chimpanzees, they eat nothing but vegetarian food sources, and they're tremendously strong. Why ? It's those "fad" diets you were ridiculing, bud. It's a medical fact that for perfect health at any age, a human needs a steady ratio of enzymes to antibodies at 48 to 1. Raw foods like salads give you enzymes.
Cooked foods of ANY type meat OR vegetables will increase your antibody count because, believe it or not, the immune system regards them as though they were foreign invaders when any food is cooked. It's logical to suppose that humans evolved from hominid ancestors eating raw foods millions of years before humans discovered fire, so that's the way we were naturaly selected to exist. It's been proven by the National Cancer Institute that every human at any age needs at least 5 servings of fruits & vegetables every day of their life, and 7 servings if their bodies are stressed somehow. The bullshit myth that humans need meat was propagated by other meat eaters who were conditioned to like the taste of blood. The fact remains that you'll likely live longer as a strict vegetarian than even a "balanced diet" meat eater because although your genes controll you, you'll simply not burn out your immune system so fast and succumb to a cold which snuffs you at extreme old age. Why ? As you yourself said, humans cook their animal flesh, while predators eat it raw. Noone's saying you can't believe anything you want but please don't embarass yourself by giving answers
when you should be asking questions,OK ?

iirc animal protein converts from grain feed at between 8 and 12 to one depending on species of the animal in question.

You sure understand the fundamental facts in life, Carmelite. There's a painting that's very well circulated. Maybe you've seen it. It shows a man of 60 with a beard turning partialy grey. He's bowing his head saying grace.on his table are a round loaf of whole grain barley bread, pumpernicle perhaps. And a glass of wine. That's his entire dinner, and he understands he's fortunate to have it as sustenence. Western civilization has been rife with TV ads pushing their corporate farm factory agenda. Whatever increases their bottom line they persuade you is good for you. They never tell you of the brutal horrors they want you to buy into that animalia libero would show you via U Tube. Cows being forced to walk through their own feces, stumbling and weak from the feedlot feces their forced to eat. The only thing comparable I've ever seen was the Corregidor & Bataan death march of captured American soldiers in the Philipenes during WW2 . Cows secrete a hormone when they perceive fear that ruins their flesh for consumption. They have to play soothing music to trick them then suprprise them with a violent death. Horrible. Even worse are the conditions in slaughterhouses. Noone who has ever worked in one would ever eat meat again. We have been kept as blind as the cows to the
ugly evil horrors existing in the carnivore industry. The cows are badly abused before they're killed too.
They feed them the debris showeled up from the floors of chicken coups. Chicken feces, E coli bacterial contaminated straw, mold etc. And they pump them so full of antibiotics & growth hormones they develop mastitis. Disgusting in every way to anyone with a conscience and any measure of humane integrity. I reminds me of the movie Soylent Green, a "food" made from corpses. We wouldn't
tolerate cannabalism, but that's a double standard for carnivorous humans. The heart disease, strokes, and premature death that's sure to develop for meat eaters and not vegetarians must be God's Justice for humans who don't live as herbivores as they naturaly are evolved to. My dad was a big fan of raw wheat germ saying it was the ideal breakfast food for body builders. During the 80s and 90s I used to buy 2 lb bags from the Mercer Milling Co. on the Seneca river here in New York. When they no longer sold it, I still turned to Kretchmer toasted wheat germ.sold in the glass bottle. It;s not as healthy as the raw wheat germ because it doesn't have the lipase enzymes, but it's still as rich in Vatamin E, folic acid, thiamine, zinc, phosphorous, and magnesium for strong bones, heart, eyes, skin and maximum longevity(it's an antioxident) etc. You should try it sometime mixed with your favorite flavor of fruit & probiotic yougurt. It's out of this world great taste, and super strong fortification will reward you with good health over your entire lifetime.Thank you for your wonderful viewpoint.