Community | October 03, 2009 | 13 comments

Italians rally for press freedom

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Tens of thousands of Italians protest in Rome against what they say are threats to press freedom by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
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13 comments // Italians rally for press freedom

  • carmalite
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      carmalite  
    • They are smart enough to realize the real problem while dumb Americans are lapping up Fox. It would be so great to have real investigative journalism again.,

    • 2 years ago
  • manny0409
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      manny0409  
    • well, some people say...mostly journalist themselves, that without press freedom there is no democracy. This is not only happening here but in other countries as well...hopefully the people of Italy get what they want.

    • 2 years ago
  • matzudaira
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      matzudaira  
    • Berlusconi is strong and powerfull because he is supported by the Vatican and the Mafia.
      When you are the owner of three private TV channels, you control 2 out of 3 public TV channels and you are the owner of tens other magazines and news papers and you are the prime minister, then it is logical that the media research group Freedom House ranks Italy 73rd in terms of freedom of press. Of course Mr Berlusconi said that Freedom House is just another bolscevic international organization that want to destroy Italy... sadly many Italians trust him blindly.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • Mark701
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      Mark701  
    • This raises an interesting question. Any individual can sue another for slander or libel. These laws were established to prevent people from making up and spreading lies about someone else. The defense against a slander or libel suit is simple; if whats being said is the truth, you can't sue the person. Despite what I think about Berlusconi, (which isn't much) if what is being said about him is a lie, then he should be able to sue. Consider the Obama birther "debate". Should Obama be able to sue people like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck who perpetuate these kind of rumors? I think if he did, it would make the aforementioned morons think twice before they start slandering someone.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Mark701:

      Not quite that simple, Mark. First, you are assuming that Italian law mirrors the law in the U.S. I suspect the two are not too far out of line in this area -- but there could be significant differences (I might look it up just for kicks and grins and will let you know what I find if I do).

      If Italian law IS quite similar, there is still the issue of B being a "public figure." He has set himself out into the public arena, and there is a long line of common law that gives the public much more lattitude in the things they can say about such people. Heck, every U.S. President in living memory could have lived the lives of billionaires if they could sue anyone who ever published a lie about them. That doesn't mean that public figures can't sue for slander (spoken) or libel (written), but the burden of proof (how MUCH proof) and the standard of proof (the KIND of evidence) are different than if one engaged in similar conduct regarding one's neighbor, for example.

      Lastly, proving the "truth" isn't always a barrel of laughs either. As much as we tell our children to always tell the truth, we as adults know that the concept can get a little fuzzy because people's perceptions are so different. While I, and the law, and probably his own church he is a member might consider a man sleeping with a woman not his wife to be an adulterer, if they have what is referred to as an "open marriage" he and his wife might consider his dalliance to be merely "adventurous behavior. Which is the truth -- because in a court of law, the two would be mutually exclusive (can't be both -- has to be one or the other)?

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Mark701:

      Ooops -- I meant to add that these are some of the problems Obama faces...in addition to the ones of being bogged and down and distracted by expensive lawsuits, being accused of censorship in "stifling dissent" (you know darned well that Beck, Hannity, et al. would actually argue that they were contributing to the national political discourse...while criticizing Obama for his choice of condiments...God, what a freakshow), and battling the PR problem of perceptions that he was "overly sensitive" or "too thin-skinned" or that only a weak President would go after such idiots (we are already seeing such comments by the intellectually-challenged right here on Current because the Administration took a brief moment to call FopNews on its latest public distribution of lies and distortions).

    • 2 years ago
  • bombastinator
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      bombastinator  
    • I worry for Italian democracy. Berlusconi has succeeded where Hearst failed. Ability of a single group to manipulate the press can destroy a democracy, as Rome and Wiemar Germany proved.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Can you IMAGINE a country electing someone as unethical, immoral and utterly self-involved as Silvio Berlusconi...Holy Ned, that would be ALMOST as bad as electing someone as unethical, immoral and utterly self-involved as...George Bush...

      God, we are just NEVER going to live that down, are we...

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • cztheday:

      That doesn't even make sense.

      Bush didn't go off and tell MSNBC they are liars...

      that's what Obama has done, though. So if you really want to make a comparison you'll have to do it with the current administration.

    • 2 years ago
  • Theekshani
  • asherp
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      asherp  
    • Silvio Berlusconi should never have been elected to start.

      It would have been like electing Rupert Murdoch president of the USA.

    • 2 years ago
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