China begins mass vaccinations
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The health ministry has said it plans to vaccinate 65 million people, or five percent of the country’s total population of 1.3 billion, before year’s end."
Pay close attention to the following statistic in the article....
"On Monday, China had recorded 13,262 cases of A(H1N1) flu, according to the latest information released on the health ministry’s website. No deaths have yet been reported."
13,262 cases...And NOT one DEATH.
Can anyone say HYPE! Big money maker for vaccine producing companies. That's what this is all about! And definitely additional health problems for those who have adverse reactions to the vaccines.
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So the Swine Flu has POTENTIAL to do great harm?
Lets see.
How many people caught the swine flu worldwide? The number is in the 10's of 1000's
How many people will get the "catch" the virus by having it directly injected into them? The number is possibly BILLIONS
Talk about potential to do great harm...
1st - the virus is in alot more people, and is statistically far more likely to mutate, recombine in the cells, and shed (which live virus vaccines do), combine with other viruses going around etc
2nd - the vaccine can contain known toxins and cause harm through, a) getting flu symptoms, b) dying c) getting paralysed, d) getting autoimmune disease, e) arthritis, f) neurological diseases. etc
By the way the vaccine is not 90% effective. In fact the FDA only requires it to be 30% effective. And in all the WHO literature about saying vaccines are effective Im yet to see a percentage or scientific backing.
Then there is the issue of safety. If they were all totally safe - then there would be no laws to protect the manufacturers from being sued for damages in the event of injury or death. Case closed.
People forget the big pharma doesn't use convential advertising. It uses the media and even has governments pass laws in their favor - making them look more credible, when they have a very poor track record. Everyone knows that drugs kill 100,000's per year in the US alone.
We should look at natural alternatives too. Vaccines are the snake oil of modern medicine.
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some of you are so close to actually knowing what you're taliking about that I am kind of suprised.
Fitrst of all, just to get this out there so I don't have to hear it anymore, the injected form of the flu vaccine has no actual live flu virus contained in it. The mist version does, but is just as effective as the injected version and is availble just as easily. Secondly, the only side effects associated with the vacine are minor ahes and pains, such as a sore throat ( some more severe side effects have been reported with the mist version in adults). Finally, just because you call it a conspiracy does not make it so. The flu happens every year and every once in a while a strian comes around that has the POTENTIAL to do great harm. That is what we have here, a powerfull strain that has the POTENTIAL to become even deadlier. The only way to stop that from happening is to cover your mouth when you cough ( preferably not with your hands, but rather with you arm, sleeve or disposible tissue) and to get vaccinated, especially those that are in high risk groups such as the elderly, the very young and women that are pregnant. Not getting it because someone stands to profit is about as smart as not eating because farmers are getting paid.s3th:
1) you're right the flu vaccine is not 100% effective, it's only abot 90% effective
2) The seasonal flu vaccine ( which we weren't really talking about here) protects against the three main flu strains that research indicates will cause the most illness during the flu season. This year’s influenza vaccine contains three new influenza virus strains.
A/Brisbane/59/2007(H1N1)-like virus;
A/Brisbane/10/2007 (H3N2)-like virus;
B/Brisbane 60/2008-like antigens.
The 2009 influenza vaccine can protect you from getting sick from these three viruses, or it can make your illness milder if you get a related but different influenza virus strain.3) the symptoms of the flu and the common cold are typically very different. Both do include body aches and tiredness, coughing and runny nose, but the flu would also include high fever, severe nausea and extreme tiredness. Basically, if you can get out of bed you probably don't have the flu.
This is what it's like to be informed.
- 2 years ago
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S3th
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Well, the first death has finally been reported.
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I saw this story yesterday on CommonDreams web site, so adding it to the conversation....
"H1N1 Just Isn't That Scary: Why There's No Reason to Go Overboard With Swine Flu Hysteria
by Joshua Holland
With the media pumping out story after fevered story of a unique and "deadly" new strain of influenza sweeping the globe -- tossing words like "pandemic" around with little in the way of context -- you'd have to be a Vulcan not to experience just a touch of panic. But is this flu really so scary?Any virus that's new to the human population poses a potential danger. But perhaps the most striking aspect of the swine flu quasi-panic is, if it had emerged just a few short years ago, we would have gone about our lives without any sense that anything unusual was even under way.
After all, millions of people around the world get the flu each year, and tens of thousands die as a result -- most of them very old or very young or people whose immune systems are already compromised.
The vast majority of people who catch a case of flu feel like crap for a few days or a week, and then they recover. So far, the swine flu is no different -- it's not particularly virulent, nor is it deadlier than the strains commonly referred to as "seasonal flu" (although Mexican authorities initially thought it was for reasons that are not entirely clear).
Viruses mutate, intermingle with other strains and adapt, and the H1N1 flu is a new one -- a "zoonotic" virus that has leaped from pigs to humans. So it's always possible that the swine flu could become a genuinely dangerous phenomenon.
But so far there's no evidence to indicate that that's a likely scenario. In fact, researchers at the University of Maryland conducted a study that concluded the swine flu is less likely to recombine with other strains; the Los Angeles Times reported that the results should ease "fears that the pandemic H1N1 influenza virus will ... mutate into a more lethal form."
And if the swine flu -- H1N1 -- had hit just 10 short years ago, we would not have gone about our lives as if nothing was amiss. It's only due to stepped up efforts to screen for viruses after the SARS and "avian flu" scares, and our relatively new ability to quickly (and inexpensively) determine a virus's genome, that we know something other than the so-called "seasonal flu" exists at all.
None of this has prevented the media from engaging in a full-blown Y2K-style panic. Every time a new case of flu is identified as being caused by the H1N1 strain, every time an unfortunate person dies of it, every time a public health official releases a new statistic about its spread or a school is shut down, a media feeding frenzy has followed.
It's true that the H1N1 strain has displayed a few unusual characteristics. There have been fewer lethal cases among infants and more among non-elderly adults than one would expect based on our experience with other strains of influenza. But looking at its impact on the population as a whole, the H1N1 virus has in no way proved to be more dangerous than the seasonal flu.
Rarely is the actual threat posed by swine flu put into any statistical context.
So consider this: According to the European Center for Disease Control, there have been 4,092 confirmed deaths from swine flu around the world through Sept. 1. ("Confirmed" deaths is a dubious figure, but I'll use it for the sake of argument.)
If the same rate were to hold out for the rest of the year, that number would grow to 6,138 for 2009. That would mean you'd have approximately four times the chance of getting killed by a lightning strike (in an average year), and would be 200 times more likely to die in a car crash than to succumb to the swine flu. (Actually, this underestimates the likelihood of dying in a car crash, because anyone can catch a virus but not everyone gets around in a motor vehicle.)"
continued at link....
- 2 years ago
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This is about vaccines in general a seven minute video postd on youtube November 12, 2008
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Robert Kennedy talks about the cover up regarding vaccines and Autism.In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
THE GOVERNMENT AND VACCINE MANUFACTURES KNOW VACCINES ARE CAUSING DAMAGE TO THOUSANDS.
Vaccine Exemption Information
www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm - 2 years ago
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tell that to the mothers of the 50+ girls who died after taking gaurdasil ! otherwise known as h5n1, made by baxter.......aspirin kills more people than the swine flu !
viagra kills more people than the swine flu.
you can bet this poisonous vaccine will kill more people than the so called swine flu......
SWINE FLU IS MAN MADE.. THATS WHY SWINE DONT GET IT ! GET IT ? BAXTER IS BAD !
DONT DO DRUGS KIDS ! - 2 years ago
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hunzedog:
Wait are you saying HPV is actually influenza?
Are you saying a drug that has identical side effects to a placebo is deadly?
Are you saying a pathogen that is some ~99% identical to a normal flu is a man made super virus?Where do you get such blatantly false information?
- 2 years ago
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Let's all just sit back and review some basic facts shall we?
Public opinion is created by what?
Mass media.
Mass media is controlled by what?
Major corporations who control the media.
Ordinary people, such as you and I, will form our opinions on readily available facts.
Facts are generated by those who claim to be authorities on a particular subject matter.
The CDC is touted as being the EXPERT organization on pandemics, and health matters.
So, the majority of the world is going to base their opinion on what the CDC tells them they should think.
But, the wise individual bases their opinions on moments in history which help them make a decision in the present.
1976 was a perfect example to help an individual to make a decision on whether or not it's necessary to let the vaccine be pumped into their body.
The only problem, is many people are not aware of what happened in 1976.
So, why don't people research this, instead of trusting the CDC, the mass media, thier respective governmental bodies, and those who stand to make a great sum of money off of the vacccine, for what they should allow into their bodies?
Fear of death is a huge motivational tool used by everyone from the Church (selling salvation) to individual companies (selling health care products) to gun manufacturers (selling weapons for protection from criminals).
So, the vaccine manufacturers have the biggest motivational TOOL being forwarded by the CDC, and governments around the world to make major bucks!
FEAR!
If that isn't enough reason to research this on your own, and make a wise decision, I don't know what is!
Making decisions based on fear rather than facts is an act of hysteria.
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Oh leave me out of your spats. The photo is what I commented on (and not to you BTW,) and it looks like obvious contrived propaganda. As for any other grudge you wish to air with your self righteous diatribe above, so be it.
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I just had a conversation with the guy who sits in the cubicle next to me and his son got the swine fraud. I overheard him talking about it one day so I thought I'd ask him about it.
None of the other four members in his household got sick at all. He just told me that he does not plan to vaccinate his family because he said it's no big deal. Some pandemic.
He also added "the media is just hyping this-you know how they do it." I should add that he is not some conspiracy theorist, he's just a mainstream family oriented guy.
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It never ceases to amaze me how people readily accept the fruits of science while actively denying its research when it discounts their conspiracy theories.
Note that I -specifically- mentioned that the vaccine is stupid. It seems to cause the flu more often than it prevents it.
But rather than continue on a strain of common acceptance, I am painted with the same broad stroke of the conspiracy as being one of the "mindless sheep."
One of the best ways to tell a genuine freethinker from a tinfoil hat moron is that an earnest reply will get you a response from a freethinker and a kneejerk, hipheld spray of buckshot from a tinfoil.
Would it really have been too hard to say "perhaps the swine flu represents more of the fear of the Spanish flu rather than the possibility of an earnest calamity given its inability to infect and disrupt the populace the way it happened in 1918. And we should consider that fact before an ineffective vaccine is given the greenlight and millions of dollars are spent on it."
You don't even have to do much research to come to that conclusion.
Seriously S3, I just had a more productive conversation with MYSELF than I did with you.
And by the way Jan, there's never been any scientific test confirming that toxic metals ever existed in vaccines (other than the fact that the WORD, not the element, mercury was in the compound) and even if it did, they STOPPED using that mixture back in 2003 just as a precaution.
Like creationism, veganism, homeopathy or a dozen other bullshit peddling, pseduo-science (and really anti-science), borderline cult controversies, the bullshit has been made all the more flagrant with the invention of the internet. Now any John Doe can google his way to "evidence" and be just as smart as a Ph.D. in the field because some partisan site and a youtube video said it was true.
Do you ever wonder why people deny global warming so fervently jan? Look no further than yourself for the answer.
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Saladin:
THe hype over this swine flu FEAR FACTOR isn't a conspiracy theory Saladim.
It's a FACT. Read any newspaper, or just page through the many articles being submittted to CURRENT to see that for yourself!
I can imagine your conversations inside your mind, are much more interesting, seeing as the overly-inflated sense of self you obviously enjoy. Besides, considering someone elses opinion, and research, when the only opinion you care about is your own, is undoubtedly too tiring for you.
How about considering the facts of the hyped 1976 swine flu pandemic/mass vaccine program, and the results?
How about considering other research, and findings about the side-effects of other mass vaccine programs?
There hasn't been one single, verifiable incident of the use of Anthrax on the battlefield in Iraq. And yet every single military member was injected with the Anthrax vaccine!
Researching facts, rather than interesting conversations with yourself may be more appropriate Saladin!
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Lessons learned from the 1976 Swine Fraud Hysteria have largely been forgotten and ignored by today's media-military-big pharma complex:
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"Now he was in a race for life, or so he thought. Department of Health, Education and Welfare, Dr. W. Delano Meriwether was given until the end of the year to get all 220 million Americans inoculated against swine flu.
By Oct. 1, the makers had the serums ready and America's public health bureaucracy had lined up thousands of doctors, nurses and paramedics to give out the shots at medical centers, schools and firehouses across the nation.
Jim Florio, then an ambitious rookie Democratic congressman supporting Jimmy Carter for president, didn't use the situation to take a shot at Ford. He lined up and was the first Jersey resident to take the inoculation.
Within days, however, several people who had taken the shot fell seriously ill. On Oct. 12, three elderly people in the Pittsburgh area suffered heart attacks and died within hours of getting the shot, which led to suspension of the program in Pennsylvania.
Jersey pressed on with inoculations, however. Through the fall, even as more bad reports about the side effects of the vaccine came out, thousands of mostly older people in Greater Trenton lined up outside health centers, schools and firehouses to get the shot, sometimes waiting for an hour.
One of them was Lawrence's Mary Kent, a 45-year-old mother of two teenage boys who couldn't tie the ribbons on Christmas presents only days after she got her shot at the Trenton War Memorial in early December.
On Dec. 16, increasingly concerned about reports of the vaccine touching off neurological problems, especially rare Guillain-Barre syndrome, the government suspended the program, having inoculated 40 million people for a flu that never came.
By year's end, Jack Kent knew his wife was seriously ill and started reading all about the side effects of the president's flu inoculation, especially nerve problems like those his wife was experiencing.
Even before Mary Kent died an invalid at age 51 in January 1982, Kent had joined the hundreds of Americans who filed suit against the government on behalf of children left without a parent due to fatal side effects from the swine flu vaccine.
Kent's sister-in-law, also named Mary Kent, recalled the other day that Jack Kent died in 1997 still angrily blaming the government for giving his wife Guillian-Barre, leading to her death.
The swine flu case of 1976 forever reduced confidence in public health pronouncements from the government and helped foster cynicism about federal policy makers that continues to this day."
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And look at the phony photo op they always place with articles and the look on the person's face, of course, always with a smile: "OOOO I'm so happy to be getting this needle full of live virus and various other toxic metals shoved in my arm."
Please.
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"It's a good thing that the US government is going to protect these swine fraud vaccine manufacturers from wrongful death or injury lawsuits."
Ya, massanova! It's rather odd how the mass media has basically ignored that fact!
Uncle Sam learned his lesson in '76. Covering his hiney this time around. Those big Pharma lobbyists really know how to do a bang up job on us, and the US!
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Saladin chimes in....
Any surprise?
I guess you missed the stats from China. 13 thou plus, not one death. You say the stats aren't made up? How do you know? Tell us all just how connected you are with the CDC, that you can make such an authoritative remark as that?
Are you the Attorney General?
Calling it a pandemic, doesn't make it one.
Why don't you look up the stats for deaths every year from the standard flu? Then please explain for those of us not plugged into the truth about the swine flu, like yourself, why we should rush off to have a fast-tracked vaccine pumped into our bodies!
Comparing wearing sunglasses and skipping school to having deadly viruses shot into our bodies, is Apples to Oranges buddy!
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S3th:
Saladin was giving the worldwide statistics actually. Also, the flu has spread to multiple continents which by definition makes it a pandemic.
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S3th:
"Also, the flu has spread to multiple continents which by definition makes it a pandemic."
As does the seasonal flu, every year!
As for whether or not one should get the vaccine, there are many doctors, healthcare workers, and those who actually developed the vaccines who WON'T be getting it themselves, or allow it to be given to their children.
Pumping the live virus into people will GUARANTEE a pandemic. I guess understanding this is beyond most peoples power of reasoning!
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It's a good thing that the US government is going to protect these swine fraud vaccine manufacturers from wrongful death or injury lawsuits.
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Maybe the flu shot is shitty, but don't undermine science in your ham-handed attempt to point that out.
Over 300 dead and 45,000 confirmed infections so far, this is NOT made up.
If you wanna play Russian Roulette with a pandemic, be my guest. But let's not have a do over of the Spanish Pandemic because we were cool kids, too busy wearing sunglasses and skipping school, to take some basic precautions to ensure unnecessary death.
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The hype to take this swine fraud vaccine is incredible. Grocery stores and pharmacies have turned the flu season into some bizzaro Hallmark created holiday-style marketing scheme.
It's really frightening.
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maasanova
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Notice the use of SHAME by lu7cky in the attempt to manipulate both opinion and action.
Weak!
Almost everyone I know who has ever gotten a flu shot, ended up with the flu. The # 1 reason I have never had a flu shot. Forget the possible side-effects one might be subjected to. The mere fact that getting a flu shot does not guarantee you won't get the flu is enough to say why risk it. Because one thing is certain. If you do take the shot, you will have the live virus shot into you. Along with mercury and other agents which could cause you immediate, as well as long-term harm.
I guess lu7cky isn't aware of what happened back in '76 when the government tried this crap. Or hasn't looked very deep into what most vets believe was the cause for Gulf War Syndrome. Or looked very deeply into all the other vaccine debacles.
Give it up lu7cky, people are waking up.
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S3th:
the only people who should ashamed are those that continually bullshit their way through life.
My company does a mass vaccination, every year and I have not heard of one person getting sick. That is close to 500 people who can refute your claim that the flu vaccine is inherently dangerous.
I will be getting the shot as soon as I can, because I would rather not spend a week running between my bed and the toilet, but hey you do whatever you want, just cover your mouth when you cough, k. - 2 years ago
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S3th:
1) a flu vaccine is not 100% effective
2) a flu vaccine is not effective against all strains, only against 3-4
3) you probably can't tell a flu apart from a coldI can't blame you for being misinformed I guess
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maasanova
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Slaves STFU take your swine fraud vaccine.
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Trust me China is a rising star. Their history of human rights abuses isnt something to be proud of but with the US in such a economic slump China is in the perfect position to pick up a lot of slack. Well that plus the US government owes China several TRILLION dollars...
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To all the haters,
Ever heard of the Spanish flu? The illness that killed more than WWI deaths? Yeah, that's what happens when you don't gotta a vaccine a good government jurisprudence.
Maybe this is natural selection in action. The dumbasses get fleeced by the ultra strain of the virus.
XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.
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I plan to travel internationally come next month and I do not plan to get this vaccine. Yes, the big companies are making money and the government is behind this whole "pandemic"! This is just like bird flu in Asia, did we ever have a vaccine for this?
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Why does everything have to revolve around some evil conspiracy to either harm or fleece the populace at large. The vaccine will likely stop a pandemic before it starts and anyone who doesn't get it is just ill informed. The worry here is not what has already happened, how many died etc., but what could happen if this flu virus would go unchecked. Like any other flu the more it spreads, the more likely it is to mutate leaving current vaccines useless and increasing the chance that it will become deadlier and more easily spread.
Don't be dumb, get the shot. Your insurance will cover it and there are places where you can get it for free if you are uninsured. - 2 years ago
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lu7cky:
First of all, my decision not to get this shot is not dumb. As a pharmacist, my professional judgment tells me the risk vs benefit ratio heavily favors the risk side.
Its not about the cost either. Its about realizing that the only people that die from the flu are pregnant, under the age of like 5, have a suppressed immune system or are over the age of like 70. The majority of the population is not going to die. To me, the side effects are not worth the possibility of getting it and that goes for all flu vaccines.
If people don't want to avoid the possibility of getting sick, by all means get the shot.
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lu7cky:
as a person working in the heatlth care indsutry, it is your responsibility to ensure the safety of those you come into contact with. It is not only the young, old and infirm that are at risk, it is all of us. The only side effects, noted so far in clinical trials and from the mass vaccinations ocurring right now, are mild aches and pains and sore throat.
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lu7cky:
Hey lucky do you live in a fantasy world where corporations and government never lie to the people? Must be nice!
fyi: Governments and corporations don't care about you, they only care about $$
So take your swine flu vaccine, and enjoy the mercury bitch!
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lu7cky:
The more appropriate question would be, why would something that is obviously going to be a huge money-maker being fast-tracked, for a illness that hasn't done near as much damage as other illnesses?
I guess you cannot fathom that eh?
You might try living in the real world for awhile where there are bad people, only interested in making money using any number of scams. I guess you don't believe in Ponzi schemes either? You might want to look at the huge increase in Put Options just prior to the destruction of the WTC. I suppose that was just lucky guessing by investors....RIGHT?
You see lucky, it's not that your gullible, it's that you want desperately to believe the world is full of beautiful people who just want to give us all flowers, and keep us safe from bee stings. And that's fine for you. Praise the government and pass the potatoes!
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lu7cky:
I'll pass on the vaccine. Sure, the claim is that short-term side-effects are minimal. Noboby can say what the long-term effects will be, particularly in light of the the inclusion of adjuvents.
Can you say Gulf War Syndrome? - 2 years ago
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I will NOT be getting this vaccination. Just like I didnt get Gardasil.
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some pandemic huh ? wtf
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