Community | October 08, 2009 | 127 comments

Woman thrown off plane for breast-feeding sues

source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6659004.html

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A woman who was thrown off an airplane for breast-feeding her child, sparking a day of airport protests nationwide, is suing the three airlines involved in the flight.

Emily Gillette's lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Burlington on Wednesday, comes nearly three years after she was taken off an airplane because she wouldn't cover herself with a blanket while nursing her 1-year-old daughter. Gillette, of Santa Fe, N.M., said she was ejected from the flight as it prepared to take off after a three-hour delay.

Her story generated interest around the nation, leading to a protest “nurse-in” in 19 airports in November 2006.

Gillette's suit seeks unspecified compensatory and punitive damages from Delta Airlines, Freedom Airlines and Mesa Air Group. The lawsuit says Freedom uses Mesa aircraft to run flights under contract with Delta, and that Gillette's flight was booked with Delta.

Delta spokesman Anthony Black said Thursday the Atlanta-based airline does not comment on litigation but supports a mother's right to breast-feed. A spokesman for Mesa, based in Phoenix, which owns Irving, Texas-based Freedom, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Meanwhile, the Vermont Human Rights Commission filed a state lawsuit Thursday against Mesa and Freedom. Executive Director Robert Appel said the commission had determined it could not hold Delta responsible for the actions of Mesa and Freedom.

Appel cited a Vermont law that says “a mother may breast-feed her child in any place of public accommodation in which the mother and child would otherwise have a legal right to be.”

Gillette's lawsuit says she was sitting in a window seat on an Oct. 13, 2006, flight from Burlington to New York City.

Gillette, who was 27 at the time, began nursing her “hungry and tired” daughter, 1-year-old River, and had the toddler “positioned with her head toward the aisle and no part of (Gillette's) breast exposed,” according to the lawsuit.

A flight attendant brought Gillette a blanket and told her to cover up, but Gillette declined. The flight attendant “forcefully demanded that (Gillette) cover the toddler's head, stating, ‘You are offending me,'” according to the suit.

When Gillette again declined, the flight attendant got a customer service representative to order Gillette and her family off the plane. Gillette “felt shamed and humiliated” and “tearfully gathered her belongings to exit the plane,” the lawsuit states.

Gillette “has since felt anxiety when she has breast-fed in places of public accommodation, and has felt inhibited from nursing her second child based on her experience” on the flight, the suit says.

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127 comments // Woman thrown off plane for breast-feeding sues

  • artemis6
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      artemis6  

    • Apparently he wanted the mother to condemn everyone on the lane to hearing the wails of a hungry , angry baby , for the entire flight .

    • 2 years ago
  • jlaboy
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      jlaboy  

    • I am good friends with the captain of this flight. It was his final decision wheher or not to allow this mother on the flight. But it was his 2nd week on the job and the flight attendant really over stepped her authority. But this lady is sueing how many years later, Seems a little frivolous to me.

    • 2 years ago
  • jenathemuse
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      jenathemuse  

    • I agree,
      Personally I can't even see across the aisle to see out the other window let alone have a full view of a Woman doing what she was built to do. with the exception of the 2 people next to her ONLY flight crew could see, She will win a huge law suit, escorting her off THAT is where the airline fu#^& up BIG TIME.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dan_Rimon
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • I keep reading over an over again that the woman didn't want to cover up and that is why she was removed from the plane. That is not the case at all, and repeating a lie over an over doesn't make it the truth. Her breast was not exposed for everyone to see You couldn't even see the babies mouth around the nipple of the woman's breast. She was wearing a special shirt that allows a woman to discreetly breast feed without exposing her breast.

      Clearly this was a case of discrimination by the flight attendant who couldn't understand or approve of a woman breast feeding a 1 year old. Who eats with their head covered up? The way all you people go on and on repeating that she didn't want to cover up, a person who didn't know the facts would think the woman was parading up and down the aisles topless with her breast bobbing up and down and the baby grasping the breast like it was an ice cream or something.

      Do you people even realize how difficult it is to bring liquids onto a plane through security? Do you know how disgusting and nasty many of the bathrooms are in the airports, how many aerosolized bacteria are in the air? Do you even think about how dirty many of those airplane blankets are?

      What I am reading here on this thread, is people hating on breast feeding women. From the way you all go on about it, you might as well demand that the woman wear a Burqa.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • Lydster
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      Lydster  
    • jubal:

      @ J_Jammer: What's your problem with a naked tit? Even more considering the fact that apparently there was no naked tit? How much more do you want her to cover? Maybe you should be covering your eyes next time. Oh, and never come to Germany. There are naked tits (with NO babies on them) all around.

      Ridiculous how much fuss people make about a naked tit. Blood and crimes on TV, people bringing guns to school - ok, but a breastfeeding woman - no no.

      Oh, and next time you walk around town with less than a long winter coat on I'll tell you to cover up and make a total fuss about such "offending nudity". Because it's obviously the flight attendant who made a fuss about this.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • jubal:

      Oh exaggerations?

      YES.

      Why do you complain about war? They're eventually going to die anyway. Why does it matter how they die? And why is blood offensive to you? Would it make you puke if someone was to die in front of you?

      God you're so weak.

    • 2 years ago
  • LadybugLady
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      LadybugLady [removed]  

    • You folks that can't handle her breastfeeding are probably the ones that look at National Geographic Magazines and laugh at the African tribes woman and laugh. Disgusting! Breast are there for babys not for men.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  

    • Should a woman express breast milk in front of co-workers because it is good for her baby and it's legal to express breast milk at workplace?
      I would think it is more appropriate to express breast milk in private area at work place.
      The same for breastfeeding in public places is fine when it's done discreetly.

    • 2 years ago
  • jenathemuse
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      jenathemuse  

    • Womens breasts are not made for sex they are for feeding, why cover up a natural act, afraid the kids will see we are animals, continue to make natural theings peverse, turn your head. She would be forced to watch you eat with you mouth open, people don't eat covering the untisils. God spend a couple years in countries abroad and see how heck in europe the women are toplless on tv, NO ONE CARES, it is natural.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • jenathemuse
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      jenathemuse  
    • jenathemuse:

      WRONG, eating survival is natural Killing is NOT, that is why there is a thing called laws. There are no laws against eating. Killing is not natural, survival is and by that I mean you do NOT have to kill and eat living things,
      If killing is so natural, when was the last time you killed something? Is it natural for your mother to kill? NO.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • jenathemuse
  • bombastinator
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      bombastinator  

    • so she wasn't thrown off for breast feeding her child, she was thrown off for refusing to stop exposing herself even though she was easily capable of feeding her child while not doing so.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • bombastinator:

      bombastinator,the women who insist on exposing her breast while openly breastfeeding in public do that to make a statement "I am a MOTHER, and the fact that I gave birth should allow me to do what I want, how I want, and where I want it”.

    • 2 years ago
  • danitassin
  • Coolie20
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  

    • Has anyone consider that maybe the flight attendant was sexually abused as a child and there are bad associations to breast feeding? Everyone should have respect for others even if they do not understand or disagree. The flight attendant or another passenger has just as much rights as the woman who wishes to breast feed her child.

    • 2 years ago
  • Lydster
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      Lydster  
    • MotherForTruth:

      Well, even if the oh so poor and sexually offended flight attendant had been sexually abused, it wouldn't be the woman's problem.

      I mean look, in China it is "offensive" to blow your nose in public. If she had been blowing her nose and some Chinese person on the plane had been offended, she probably still wouldn't have been told to cover up. And the Chinese guy would have been told to be tolerant. Some religious people find women in miniskirts and summer tops offensive. Other people find it offensive to listen to Rock'n'Roll music.What am I trying to say with that? Everyone of us is offended of something or someone. Still we can't cover them all in blankets. This is called tolerance.

      And yes, it is also about respect. But respect for other people's freedom, not for everyone's personal little sensitivities. The flight attendant was not restricted in her (his?) personal freedom so she just should have respected the girl's freedom to nurse without some itchy blanket on her baby's head (a blanket on a baby's head? WTF anyway?). Again, it's not the girl's business if someone might get offended.

      Oh, and you wrote something interesting underneath another video: that equality applies to both men and women. Men have been exposing their breasts (and probably too offending people) for years. Still they haven't been told to cover up (although women might get sexually stimulated because of that). Women need to cover up because men might get sexually stimulated. Isn't that terribly inequal and discriminating towards women? In Sweden feminists fight for their right to swim topless, did you know that?

      I suggest we all start wearing burkas (even in our bedrooms) so that noone is offending anyone anymore. Or maybe we just all get a little more tolerant. I choose the second option for me. You can choose the first option for yourself but don't force everyone else to do as you do.

    • 2 years ago
  • jenathemuse
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      jenathemuse  

    • It is natural, how do people think we grow, theses idiots teach their kids food comes from the grocery store. I hope she sues the #$$%^ out of the airlines.

    • 2 years ago
  • danitassin
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      danitassin  

    • Are people really that insecure. That's really sad. She should now be proud to be breast feeding in public. If shehides it, that means that insecure flight attendant wins. I hope that lady reads this. Show it off, and say "I'm being a responsible, intelligent mother for my child" while you're doing it.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • Here is a story about breastfeeding your child beyond 4 and 5 years of age.

      There are countless others. The American Association of Psychologists say there is nothing wrong with, and damage will not occur to children, if consensual breastfeeding occurs beyond 5 years of age.

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
  • hunzedog
  • J_Jammer
  • EmperorThan
  • perlpunk
  • xiola
  • cafiredancer
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      cafiredancer  

    • Don't be afraid of the tatas! They are your friends! Maybe the flight attendant is just afraid of tatas! Or maybe she was just pissed because the women didn't give two shits if anyone was offended..they would have been more offended if the lady had a screaming, hungry child!

    • 2 years ago
  • LadybugLady
  • jenathemuse
  • J_Jammer
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • According to some comments on this thread, all our women in America should wear Burqas because some man might get the wrong idea and rape some woman because she is showing too much skin. "Dress appropriately" or its your own fault is what I have read.

      Can people who claim such things not be sick? We complain about the middle east and its policies about women, are we not to imitate them?

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • monimoni
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      monimoni  

    • i'm assuming the flight attendant is a robot... i mean, really? i dont want to see boob all over the place, she could be one of those nice lady who covered the boob but feed the kid for goodness sake.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • According to Jammer, defecating and urinating are exactly the same as breast feeding; presumably because they are bodily fluids or solids as the case may be. By that logic, then it should be ok to spooge on people in public, flick the vaginal fluids, and spit too. All bodily fluids are fair game.

      Have you ever been psychoanalyzed?

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • xiola
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      xiola  
    • jubal:

      You make very good points, Jubal. Many people on this thread, on both sides of the issue, make good points. But I really think you just shouldn't respond to him. He's obviously just looking for a fight. It is apparent as I read this thread and most threads he comments on. It's sad. He wants to incite anger and get responses, and it would seem to me that's it best to ignore him. That's what I will do from now on. Urinating and defecating in public would spread disease. Breastfeeding would not. Everyone sees it's a bad argument. But it's not worth trying to reason. I've never seen him say, "I see your point." And I'm not holding my breath. :) When he rips into me, from now on, I'll not waste my time formulating a response. Thanks.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jubal:

      @xiola, you are mostly right. There is another side to this person though, once in a great while there is some genuine concern and humanity that leaks out of that public persona.

      However.

      I do consider it a waste of time and will take your lead. There are just too many topics to comment on that I should expend the necessary energy to debate with someone who appears to only want to obstruct.

      Not to mention I have seen a lot of linguistic ping pong being played by people on this site that it reminds of Pee Wee Herman...."I know what your are, but what am I?"

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • jubal:

      Pretentious chatter that could have been something said in a private message.

      Holier than thou attitudes are perfected when you do what you two just did.

      And I hope the both of you ignore me. Then I can say whatever I want without having to worry that either of you would have an over exaggerated version of what I have to say in response.

      Thank you.

    • 2 years ago
  • xiola
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      xiola  
    • jubal:

      Jubal,

      "There is another side to this person though, once in a great while there is some genuine concern and humanity that leaks out of that public persona." That is a very fair statement, and I admire that.

      But, the "linguistic ping pong" is the part that bothers me. I cannot debate with people who don't listen to reason. I'll consider their reasonable assertions, and I require they consider mine. We don't have to agree, but we must be reasonable and intelligent.
      Have fun :)

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  

    • good_stuff,
      The women who insist on breastfeeding in open public do that to make a visual and verbal statement "I am a MOTHER, and the fact that I gave birth should allow me to do what I want, how I want, and where I want it”.

      These are mothers who want a star for giving birth.

      The public breastfeeding is not and indication that she is a good mother.

    • 2 years ago
  • jenathemuse
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      jenathemuse  
    • MotherForTruth:

      PLEASE, no Woman blatenly exposes her breast,...and then DEFIANTLY lets the baby attach, crap, she didn't open her legs and say with no underwear "LOOK I HAVE A VAGINA, MY BABY CAME FROM HERE" to even imply that that MOTHER of a HUNGRY BABY did this for attention is nuts the only messed up people are the small cult of christianity that made the human body and it's functions evil. I am going to fly soon I think instead of wearing a cross I will hammer nails through my feet and wrists and say "LOOK AT ME I AM HOLY"

    • 2 years ago
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  
    • MotherForTruth:

      jenathemuse, you completely misunderstood my comment. No one stopped this woman from breastfeeding her baby in public and on the plane. The breastfeeding woman was simply asked to cover herself with a blanket so neither breast nor is baby on the breast exposed. I find this request very reasonable.
      The breastfeeding mother exhibited ignorance and lack of respect for others tells me she was making a statement with her defiance. I have met many women who believe that SHE has a baby SHE has all the rights.
      Again she was NOT denied to breastfeed her baby in public and she has chosen to be ignorant of anyone else’s needs.

    • 2 years ago
  • jenathemuse
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      jenathemuse  
    • MotherForTruth:

      Yes I did misunderstood your comment, I didn't know she was asked to be more private, I have travelled extensively and seen upscale women breast feed and were not worried if someone saw one of her human bottles.
      I was breast fed btw, and I breast fed I was raised there is a time and a place.
      peace

    • 2 years ago
  • scarlettcutie_01
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      scarlettcutie_01  

    • Please tell me why she chose to breast feed a one-year old... That's the real question here. Yes I know there is a pull for people to breast feed up until a kid is four because of the properties of the milk, but come on, seriously if the kid is capable of walking right up to mommy and lifting up her shirt... There is something seriously wrong there. In a perfectly developed nation we do have other ways to nourish our children.. (Not that I don't agree that the airline was being a douche about it.)

    • 2 years ago
  • good_stuff
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      good_stuff  

    • I've seen women openly breast feeding thier children in restraunts while I am eating, some with breast exposed. All I can say is if they don't mind me staring, I don't mind them feeding.

      I bet this mother was very exposed, based on the fact that her child is named River.

    • 2 years ago
  • amandamanda
  • MotherForTruth
  • hunzedog
  • bombastinator
  • dragon1984
  • MotherForTruth
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  

    • varvarap,
      There are many ways to discreetly breastfeed your baby. Let me know if you want some tips....
      It's all about basic decency. It is not all about flight attendant, it about the attitude the breastfeeding mothers have.

    • 2 years ago
  • varvarap
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      varvarap  

    • Couldn't the flight attendant just not to stand there, right by their seats, staring at it and just get on with his/her other duties and get 'not offended' that way??
      And as far as the blanket goes, I wouldn't want to put the aiplane blanket of the questionble state of cleaneness over my baby head and my breast either.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • MotherForTruth
  • J_Jammer
  • carmalite
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      carmalite  

    • Americans are really sick. Our society is so messed up. In most other countries no one gives a hoot if someone breast feeds their baby.
      There is nothing sexual about it unless you are a sick person.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • jenathemuse
  • LadybugLady
  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  

    • Calm down everyone!

      I am a mother and breastfed my children and have been in many situations in public and on the plane at the feeding times. There are so many ways to breastfeed discreetly, and I will tell you when you ask for help to breastfeed discreetly you will be surprised how everyone treats you with the respect and help you in every way.

      But many women lack the basic decency.

      I have seen the mothers who wish to breastfeed in public and in open. It is not the fact she is breastfeeding a baby it's usually the attitude some mothers have and the reason they do it openly.
      It's more of an obnoxious attitude that makes visual and verbal statement "I am a MOTHER, and the fact that I gave birth should allow me to do what I want, how I want, and where I want it”.
      The public breastfeeding is not and indication of good mother. These are mothers who want a star for giving birth.

    • 2 years ago
  • div
  • pennyharford
  • J_Jammer
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • pennyharford:

      @ j_jammer I guess you were a bottle baby and i guess your kids if you have any are bottle babies also. Just what is it about the human female breast that turns you off? Are you a gay?

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • stolenapples
  • samthesixth
  • OnlyCheryl
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      OnlyCheryl  

    • A 1-year old toddler does not require breast feeding. Normally it would have been weaned by then or could have used a pump to provide milk in a bottle. She is just being an attention whore and deserves nothing.

      Public breast-feeding is disruptive and rude.

    • 2 years ago
  • think_free
  • bailey78
  • MotherForTruth
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • OnlyCheryl:

      There is absolutely no reason a child cannot be fed breast milk to the age of 5. In many places this is the case, ahh but not in the United States....with its backwards and upside down morality.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Image
    • OnlyCheryl:

      * YogaLaura who blogs at Reflections on Yoga nursed her two children until they were 4 and 4 1/2 years old.
      * CecilyC who owns CCSEO said, “My son nursed till he was 3 and a half. Seems perfectly natural to me!!”
      * RamaMamma who writes at Possum and Bee said, “I breastfed my son until he was almost 4. Our last photo of him having a feed was in Jan ‘08, two months before his birthday.”
      * EverydayYogini who blogs at Everyday Yogini nursed her daughter Clara until she was a little over 3.
      * RockCandyTV founder of RockCandy.tv said she breastfed both of her kids until they were almost 4.
      * GlamGranola who blogs at Crunchy with Style! nursed her son until he was 3+ and is nursing her daughter who is over 2 and showing no signs of weaning.
      * CarrieLee from Natural Moms Talk Radio said her 3-year-old daughter is still nursing and her 5 1/2 year old nursed for the last time just a couple of months ago. Her other two children weaned at age 4 1/2. She wrote about her experiences of nursing through a pregnancy and tandem nursing.
      * Another blogger, who chose to remain anonymous, said she nursed two of her children until they were about age 5.
      * AshleeAllen, blogger of This Mama’s Nest, is in the process of weaning her 3-year-old son.
      * Anaed, who blogs at Walking Barefoot on the Earth, breastfed her daughter until her 4th birthday and says that while it wasn’t always easy, the thing she enjoyed about nursing her until she was 4 was that she still had that “connection.”
      * Spooky Girl from Spookiez Spot is still nursing her 3-year-old son.
      * ErinEly owner of Ely Organics nursed both of her children, a daughter and a son, in the early 1990s for 4.2 years.
      * ZRecsMom of the zrecs network is practicing child-led weaning and said her 4 1/2 year old daughter is “slooooowly weaning. Down to one right before bed and it lasts about four seconds total. Sometimes, not at all.”
      * Sillysgood breastfed her daughter until just after her third birthday.
      * Savvydoula who blogs at Savvy Doula said, “My son nursed until age 3, my daughter til age 4, and both tandem’d for 10 months.”
      * Meant2beaMom who blogs at Perfectly Natural Photography said her oldest two kids were 3 when they weaned and her youngest weaned just a few months shy of his fourth birthday.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • OnlyCheryl:

      I think that feeding a baby to a child is fine. Age five is pushing it. Age 8 is really pushing it.

      I can understand to age 3...

      But when they have teeth I don't think that's really wise.

      I can't wait until they have enough studies to show when one should stop. Going until the child deems it necessary to stop could be creating something you don't want in your child...greed.

      I can't argue for that and you can't argue against it. I know there's not enough information, but there will be.

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  

    • They have a baby blanket just for breast feeding a child. I don't see what the big deal is. I wish more women would breast feed out in the public eye. No body gets mad at any other anamal for feeding it's offspring.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • bailey78
  • J_Jammer
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • bailey78:

      Na i think I may want to start killen it seems to be more of a thrill If I kill myself then I only get to do it once if I become the killer i can kill for years before getting caught That is a great goal to kill as many as one can with out getting caught

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • bailey78
  • J_Jammer
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • bailey78:

      j_jammer do you really think I care at all what you say how you say it or why you say it if you do you have a lot to learn you have no effect on my world thanks for comeing and have a nice day

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
  • J_Jammer
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  

    • Just cover it and feed the baby....big deal.

      Couldn't do that and then get tossed off and then get pissed?

      Couldn't even do a simple request.

      She deserves nothing.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • J_Jammer:

      I have a penis. I can pee anywhere.

      Do I?
      Should I?

      Just because you have breast doesn't mean you have to feed the baby anywhere and anyway you deem necessary.

      Sane people wouldn't award her jack for not just doing a simple cover.

      Feminist suck the life out of fun.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • J_Jammer:

      Neither is breast feeding in public.

      You don't like peeing in public. I can find just as many people that like it....

      I'll gather a petition together. Even form a stupid little group.

      Why run to a restroom when we can just whip it out and pee. Pee is a liquid that comes from the body just like milk from a woman's breast. If you really want me to get gross I can tell you there are people that enjoy a cup of pee...and sometimes even from the source.

      It is a great example.

      You don't like it. You think a penis isn't decent?

      Shame on you.

    • 2 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • J_Jammer:

      People do that for sexual arousal.

      Just like sick men would be aroused by breast feeding. But you people don't care about crazy people that look see and then want to touch.

      You can't stop crazy people from touching what they see and want.

      Women walking around in outfits that are inviting and then when someone shows interest they state they are not that type of girl. The crime will happen it's a matter of to who.....if you are about protecting yourself from crimes then you'll dress correctly. It's not just women....men walking on the wrong side of town in red could get killed because red is a bad, bad color there.

      It's a respect of where you are and what you should and should not be doing.

      This woman had ZERO respect for anyone and then pretends she was mistreated when she was clearly asked to just cover up and things will be ok.

      I don't feel sorry for her.

      Not one iota.

    • 2 years ago
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