Should Americans banish the burger?
source: http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/13/lkl.meat.infection/index.html?iref=24hours
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But ground beef contaminated with E. coli bacteria has sickened, paralyzed and even killed some people who ate it.
On Monday night's "Larry King Live," a wide range of guests joined an in-depth and spirited debate to answer this question: Should meat, and most specifically hamburgers, be a part of the American diet?
One person who has said "no" to burgers is Bill Marler, an expert on foodborne illness litigation. Marler has been litigating on this issue since the Jack in the Box E. coli outbreak in 1993.
"Since the Jack in the Box case, I've never had a hamburger," Marler said. "I have three daughters -- 17, 14 and 10 -- and they've never had a hamburger.
"What happens in hamburger is the E. coli bacteria is in the guts of cows. And during the slaughtering process, those guts are nicked or there's fecal material on the hides. It gets on the red meat," Marler explained to King.
"And when you cook a steak, assuming that steak hasn't been penetrated, you can kill the bacteria that's on the outside of the meat. It's not on the inside of the meat. But when you ground that meat up, that E. coli is in there," he said.
For Barbara Kowalcyk, the issue is professional -- she's director of food safety at the Center for Foodborne Illness Research and Prevention. But the issue is also deeply personal -- her 2-year-old son, Kevin, died of complications due to E. coli infection in 2001.
Kevin "went from being a perfectly healthy, beautiful child to being dead in 12 days. It was unbelievable," Kowalcyk told King.
Despite her devastating loss, Kowalcyk and her center are not taking a total stand against meat.
"We do not want to tell people what to eat or what not to eat," she said. "We want consumers to have the information they need to make educated choices about what they feed themselves and their loved ones. And we want better protections in this country for food. Americans believe that their food is safe, and they have a right to know the risks."
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amandapandalol
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mad cow, that's all I'm sayin'
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amandapandalol
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morirjedi
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You can have my beef when you pry it from my cold dead hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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morirjedi
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TopguyNJ
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morirjedi:
Hey I hear you man. Nothing like a juicy burger or a wonderful char-broiled steak with the extras to round it out... ;)
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TopguyNJ
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ryan8566
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and how many documented cases of e-coli have we had since this man's misfortune?
- 2 years ago
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ryan8566
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TopguyNJ
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ryan8566:
Too many. I know of a few since I first responded to this post. Obviously chopped meat is being mishandled and is killing people. Not to mention Mad Cow Disease. Something has to be done about this or all of us will be in danger of eating foods processed by companies.
Not to alarm anyone but this seems to be an ever growing problem with the meat industry.Here is a link to the latest deaths from E-Coli.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20091102/US.Beef.Recall/
- 2 years ago
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TopguyNJ
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TopguyNJ
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Absolutely not. All people should have the right to chose whatever they wish to eat. What troubles me is how chopped meat is being produced today. I grew up in the late 50's and 60's and one never heard of such contamination going on. So what has happened? Probably a number of things. But from what I've heard over the years supply and demand for the fast food industry plays a major part here pushing production and quality suffers. This has to change in order to keep our meats safe. This not only applies to beef. Quality has suffered not only for animal meats but for fowl and fish as well. Tougher inspection and more frequently certainly would help combined with tougher laws for violation.
If tough steps are not taken soon enough one day there will be a more than serious problem with our foods in the future. - 2 years ago
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TopguyNJ
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J_Jammer [removed]
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There is roughly 10,000 - 20,000 inflections in the United States per year.
300 Million in the United States.
That's 1 in 15,000 chance of getting infected.
There are 61 deaths (42,600 for car accidents---gonna stop driving a car?) per year because of E.Coli.
That's 1 in 328 chance of dying should you get infected.
Compare that to:
There are 6,328,000 car accidents a year.
There are 42,600 deaths via car accidents.
You have a 1 in 47 chance of being in an accident.
1 in 906 chance of dying if you are in a car accident.
You have a better chance of being in a car accident and dying than you do if you are to even catch E. Coli.
- 2 years ago
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J_Jammer [removed]
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kellyjean
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i've never had a hamburger from a fast food place. and i rarely eat hamburgers, i maybe eat them once a year. and its mostly because of stuff like this.
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kellyjean
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TabulaRasa
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CNN should be banned just for posing that question...
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TabulaRasa
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d4rk0ne88
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we should ban shitting cuz there's e-coli there too oh and cut out our intestines cuz they live there too.
people just need to be careful when dealing with raw food and make sure its properly cook
- 2 years ago
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d4rk0ne88
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Jjjjason7
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THE FIRST PERSON TO TAKE MY BURGER GETS EATEN ON A BUN WITH KETCHUP,MAYO,MUSTARD,LETTUCE,TOMATO,ONION AND TOAST THE BUN AND SOME CHEESE, MAYBE SOME FRIES....MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM AND A COKE.............
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Jjjjason7
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atainder
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The way I see it: If you want to eat meat, kill it with your bare hands, and eat it raw.
Can't do it? Then don't eat it.
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atainder
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CASKET
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Colon Cancer
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CASKET
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likeamazing
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ugh. someone had to WRITE this article. what a waste of time and brain power.
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likeamazing
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RoboSquatch99
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As a vegetarian i personaly say yes, but i dont think that other people should have to give up meat if that is their main source of protein, what needs to be abolished is factory farms, that is the root of all this shit anyway.
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RoboSquatch99
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JanforGore
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Americans would never be told they are eating cloned cow meat.
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JanforGore
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larrysnotes
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JanforGore:
or cloned human !
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larrysnotes
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MizPiz
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JanforGore:
As long as there is no severe health problem with it, I will eat beef and soylent greens even if it's source is cloned.
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MizPiz
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larrysnotes
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That will happen, not.
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larrysnotes
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cmruready
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I wonder if Americans would eat cloned cow meat.
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cmruready
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Chris_Haller
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Cook it all the way through then, its called well done.... what part of eating the bloody rare burgers is a surprise when people get sick?
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Chris_Haller
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TopScruffy
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maybe we can stop worrying about health and stop because its completely fucked to eat another being and disgusting to rip into the flesh of another mammal?
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TopScruffy
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charliesommers
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TopScruffy:
No Tom....Humans are omnivores and it is completely normal for us to eat other animals. If we were meant to be ruminants we would have a four chambered stomach that started with a rumen. Now if you will excuse me I am leaving my cave to find a tender young animal to bash in the head with my club so I can eat tomorrow...burp...
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charliesommers
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bwag19
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TopScruffy:
in your opinion. cows, chicken, fish, crabs, plants are not equal to me.
I do think the consumption of meat per person is overwhelming. once a week or less seems more natural to me.
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bwag19
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lvk104
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TopScruffy:
hey charliesommers it's 'natural' for human females to get preggers at age 13 (or younger nowadays), according to our physiology and our natural history. Does this mean you encourage it or insist on continuing the 'natural' process?
We've moved beyond needing to consume animal flesh to survive, and until you start living like a caveman based only on your body's structure you've got no fucking right to excuse your meat eating by saying it's 'nature'.
- 2 years ago
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lvk104
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al82fl
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Mcdonalds would go out of business.
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al82fl
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libertyforall
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It is crazy how many Americans think they have a right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my life. If I want to be fat and lazy that is my choice.
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libertyforall
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RojoGatto
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no i think we should bad all health food
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RojoGatto
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bwag19
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maybe if we do a better job linking cow farts to global warming we can ban beef!
tax those a**holes to hell!
the government can run our lives better than we can.
look at how fat we all got without the gov stepping in! - 2 years ago
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bwag19
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dc133
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We gotta start eating better! Veggie burgers and almond milk!!
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dc133
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Manatee_man
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If they don't, this will help...
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Manatee_man
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metalcookiesxy70
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I rather take chicken...
Then again, let the consumers consume..
Choice matters.
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metalcookiesxy70
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charliesommers
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There are hundreds of millions living in this country, the vast majority do not get sick when they eat hamburgers. You might as well worry about being eaten by bears or struck by a meteor. One reason we get sick so often is because we have no immune systems because our food supply is actually too clean. Drop your hamburger on the floor and pick it up and eat it, your immune system will appreciate it.
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charliesommers
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Jonathonish
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This is just stupid. Billions and billions of hamburgers are eaten every year and the number of E. Coli related deaths is so minuscule, yet this Bill Marler guy feels the need to indoctrinate his daughters into not heating hamburgers? Really? I think eating red meat as it relates to heart disease is really the issue hear. How many people on here have gotten, or know someone who as gotten E. Coli? Now, how many people have had or know someone that has had a heart attack?
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Jonathonish
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lvk104
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Jonathonish:
looks like you were 'indoctrinated' into eating meat
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lvk104
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maisry
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I gave up eating hamburgers as a regular thing because of my cholesterol. But I'd have a hard time giving them up altogether. No, they shouldn't be banished. Let people take responsibility for their own actions. Producers and consumers alike.
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maisry
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jaystyx
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The minuscule possibility of eating e coli infected beef wouldn’t deter me from eating burgers.
I feel really sorry for this Bill Marler guys kids. Just because he is overly self righteous about his diet, he makes his kids suffer.
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jaystyx
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AlbeeYap
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your meat...
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AlbeeYap
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ALLNATURALVEGANS
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Veggie burgers ROCK and Falafel Burgers are waaaaaay better than dead cow burgers anyways!
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ALLNATURALVEGANS
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MoonLoon
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I am a health fanatic. I only eat 3-4 chilidogs per year, boiled crawfish during season, BBQ ribs when home; in Nigeria, Esi wu (boiled hot goat head) including eyeballs , nose and ears, roasted fish including the eyeballs, goat/chicken/fish pepper soup, and snails, suya (roasted goat meat w/ onions and red hot chili pepper)! In Southern America, fried chitlins, pickled pigs feets, calf brains and scrambled eggs, fried squirrel /w gravy and homemade biscuits. My all time favorite is boudin w/a Yoo Hoo or four! You folks just do not know how to enjoy the bounty of this Earth! Or perhaps real hunger has never touched your soul. I have eaten every item listed and enjoyed most of them. One I truly despised was, "sea cucumber" from Malaysia. I posted this to allow some perspective on the foods eaten, beside hamburgers. If you are ever truly hungry, I doubt that medium hamburger will be rejected.
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MoonLoon
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Darevalo
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this made me hungry... imma go eat a burger right now.
should we ban burgers.
should we ban pizza?
cheese?
put the info out, let the people that eat it die with their personal mistakes, mandates of anykind on what people consume is unconstitutional.
but all the info stuff they said. right on.
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Darevalo
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remanns
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no.
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remanns
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asherp
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i get my meat from a local farm.
no worries here.
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asherp
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Humdrum
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Burgers aren't all McDonald's fodder. A good burger is amazingly delicious and customizable, even gourmet. If only it were rarer (no pun intended), the quality wouldn't be diminished nearly as much as it is. Fast food burgers are monstrous on your health - no one can deny that. Perhaps the title should be changed to "Should Americans banish fast food?"
To which I'd say, yes, please.Also, to everyone taking this opportunity to spout venom about some hyper-generalized "lazy, fat Americans," I say you'd better work on reigning in that ego of yours before it gives you a hernia.
Not everyone can afford to shop at the organic market, and fast food companies know this. Why do you think the dollar menu was created in the first place? Poor people. - 2 years ago
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Humdrum
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diabolical44
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I've eaten a million burgers and never gotten sick ever. not once from eating one. gimme a freaking break. you food nazis need to relax. you don't like burgers, simple... don't eat them! but don't tell me I can't eat one.
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diabolical44
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fun_size
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Do Americans eat too much junk food? On the whole yes. But people can only be responsible for what they eat. Personally i LOVE poultry pork and beef. But i understand that you need to eat it in moderation.
People need to understand that you cant live off beef and meat alone. Especially not the craptastic meat they serve at fast food restaurants.
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fun_size
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NuclearLullaby
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MOST Americans are simply fat lazy dumbasses & that really shows a lot in the way a lot of Americans eat! People really should raise Bison instead of cows! Look up some facts about bison & you'll see why! But even if you were to ban meat in the American diet somehow, the majority of Americans would STILL be fat,lazy & dumb! This is extremely old news really!
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NuclearLullaby
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bombastinator
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NuclearLullaby:
you mean the part where they're much more expensive to rear? Bison is simultaneously more expensive to sell and less profitable than beef.
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bombastinator
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RojoGatto
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NuclearLullaby:
well nuclearlullaby your a communist.
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RojoGatto
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pandaman2105
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no one is ever gonna get rid of the burger.
just be careful and make sure your meat's cooked all the way, it's not that difficult. i've never understood , "rare", or "medium-rare" cooking preferences, that's asking for sickness right there.
but e. coli can get anywhere, it's not unique to beef.
don't ever eat one again if you choose, but don't expect it to be eliminated. - 2 years ago
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schobiz
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pandaman2105:
Haha - I think you're a bit misled. I can understand the paranoia, and I won't judge someone who asks for their burger well done ( if you want it burned and chewy, that's your choice :) - but asking for "rare" or "medium-rare" isn't asking for sickness, it's asking for the best flavor and texture. The problem is with the source of the meat. If you're worried about it, don't buy or eat meat that doesn't come from a local and reputable source.
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schobiz
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Tomcatt
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So, the "food police" are at it again, eh?
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Tomcatt
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Saladin
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Although there needs to be another Upton Sinclair to reveal to the public how bad the meat industry is in this country, this persistent fear of microorganisms in the meat is pathetic.
Yes, E. coli and other nastiness (although E. Coli is actually a beneficial bacteria in some instances) gets into meat and occasionally some people can get sick and die because of this.
But even way better safety and health standards only reduce, never diminish, this threat. The bottom line is that you're shipping around living tissue, sometimes things catch along for the ride.
Just cook your stuff well and you'll be fine. It's actually more dangerous to try and eliminate them because it just ensures that we become less resistant to the bacteria.
There needs to be an equilibrium between the insane neat freak culture established over the hype of the germ theory of disease and the uncomfortable reality that we need to get sick and be exposed to some disease to keep our immune system in decent shape.
Also, keep in mind that E. Coli can show up in vegetables too. Nothing you eat will ever be "safe."
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Saladin
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lvk104
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Man some of you are obviously not reading the article. Beyond the sensationalistic headline, there's no move afoot to actually, legally BAN meat consumption. And if you read the article you also wouldn't say it was a stupid idea to cut your consumption of a blatantly unhealthy and unsafe food (not to mention unethical).
Holy hell I'm tired of people on current commenting on headlines without reading the content behind them...
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lvk104
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Hunnter
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lvk104:
Na, you're just reading way too far in to peoples replies. (mines being one)
Lighten up a little. - 2 years ago
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Hunnter
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calm_incense
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Actually, now that I think about it, since I don't eat junk food anyways, it's in my best interests for others to continue consuming this crap.
Keep eating burgers.
Keep eating hot dogs.
Keep eating pizza.
Keep eating chips.
Keep drinking soda.
Keep drinking beer.
Keep smoking cigarettes.
Keep it all up.
All this means is that I'll simply gain a greater and greater comparative advantage relative to the rest of the lazy population that lacks self-discipline and will power.
Sounds good to me.
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calm_incense
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lvk104
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calm_incense:
hooray for natural selection
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lvk104
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Saladin
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calm_incense:
"All this means is that I can continue to have a pathetic excuse for my unadulterated arrogance and misanthropy for human beings who aren't as OCD about their diet as I am."
There, fixed your post for you.
And here's a news flash, some of the brightest, fiercest and greatest civilizations in the world ate the shittiest food and very little of it. So no, you're not special.
But continue to spread your wisdom oh demigod of the feast, we long to know the ways of the heavens.
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Saladin
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calm_incense
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calm_incense:
There's nothing "OCD" about living a healthy lifestyle. If you think avoiding junk food and alcohol amounts to being "OCD", that speaks volumes about yourself.
It ain't hard to avoid consuming crap. It doesn't take much effort.
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calm_incense
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Saladin
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calm_incense:
Vikings only ate so-called "junk food" and they were the scourge of the world for 600 years.
Their diet consisted entirely of bad crops, alcohol and meat that would make most modern people vomit. Their cousins, the Franks, would sometimes eat -people- to sustain themselves. Yet they had physiques and strategic minds that rivaled Olympic athletes.
Are you noticing a trend here?
A healthy lifestyle is just that, a healthy lifestyle. People like you still drop dead at 70-80 years old. Your diet and your choice of exercise merely affect the rate at which your body declines and how painful your passing will be.
But in terms of how long you live, that's 95% genetics. It's why a WWI vet died a few months ago at over 100 despite being an avid smoker of cigars and a frequenter of liquor.
You define food as being "crap" not because that kind of food is actually health-wise equitable to eating feces but because by calling it that you can set yourself above the common man.
So you're an ascetic and you can avoid the temptations of the world, good for you. Give yourself a pat on the back.
Get back to me when you construct a unified theory of physics, or climb a hundred foot supertanker with nothing but a rope and an AK like a Somali pirate does or establish clean water infrastructure for third-world nations.
Because otherwise, you're just a putz like the rest of us except with a pet peeve about simple carbs.
You're not better than the anal retentive guy who sneers at his youthful counterparts listening to their music too loud while he thinks to himself, "I have the self-control to listen to my music quietly so I'll have my ears later in life."
Having an established good habit doesn't make you a better person, it just means you subscribe to norms more.
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Saladin
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calm_incense:
Everything in moderation methinks.
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calm_incense:
Saladin--
You are quite the presumptious pickle. Pickle.Even if we believe the facts you spout (lifespan is 95% genetics? really? so obesity isn't the leading preventable cause of death worldwide?), not only did you leap from healthy eating habits to OCD and aescetism, but you also went from the use of a very casual reference (unhealthy food as "crap") to elitism.
Which is a bit confusing. If the common man eats less healthy food, how is it that eating healthier food is subscribing to norms more? As far as I know, vegetarians are not accomodated at a lot of restaurants and typically considered inconvenient, if not annoying... not to forget the mass media throwing McDonalds in our face every 5 minutes.
If anyone's got the pet peeve, it's you. The guilty dog barks the loudest. Riled up much?
Pickle pickle.
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Pawper
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DreSandoval
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they should MC Dondalds...
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DreSandoval
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Alex_French
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wow. what kind of fucking question is that? NO.
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Alex_French
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bailey78
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Why take away the Burger? What is that going to do? I don't see taking away one food or the other is going to do any one group of people any good. How about a sin tax on fastfood? That is what I want to see I want to see the people that Choose to eat the crap to pay for eating it. They have a sin tax on every thing else that is bad for ya. So why not fastfood?
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grahamark
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Does it ever work to prohibit things people like, even if those things are dangerous?
I haven't had a burger since I worked for McDonalds back in the sixties but trying to prevent others from eating them would only make them more desirable and turn the burger into a black market cult item. It would also mean the end of what little regulation and controls we have now.
I do think there should be more regulations on all industrial food production. The manufacturers should be taxed to cover the cost of putting more inspectors in the field!
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bombastinator
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grahamark:
they already are. Those USDA food stamps? Not free.
As for trying to make burgers illegal it's going to be q lot easier to make alcohol illegal. That kills lots more people and look how well that worked.
Personally I suspect this is an article from the pot legalization people. "see... pot is better than burgers! :D" It's too dumb an idea to be making any other point.
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schobiz
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It's not just as simple as "should we eat hamburgers or not". There are too many variables at play here to make a blanket decision. I think a better way to initiate the conversation would be "here are the reasons we shouldn't eat hamburgers from industrial food systems".
Cows have evolved to eat GRASS. They are ruminants. If you were to trace back to the cow's wild ancestors, you would not find them raiding the Native Americans' corn crop. So what do you think happens now if we take hundreds of cows, cram them into industrial pens, and feed them things that they have not evolved to eat? The cow gets sick. The acidity level in their gut is now much higher than usual, creating a breeding ground for new strains of highly resistant bacteria. We're practically inviting E.coli into the food system.
So how do you avoid ingesting and perpetuating this disgusting situation? Buy LOCAL. Buy GRASS FED. There needs to be transparency in our food system. And for god's sake, stop eating so much meat. The American diet revolves around hyper protein consumption. When our population initially doubled in size, the consumption of meat went up five times. I'm a huge fan of the medium rare burger, and I'm telling you it also tastes five times as good when I only eat it once every couple of weeks.
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schobiz
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Hunnter
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What the hell? Seriously?
Oh so you'll punish everyone because a few idiots don't know how to cook right? GENIUS! ALERT THE WORLD!
Let's ban cars too, and scissors, and paper, and glass, and doors, and tables, and everything anyone has ever hurt themselves with...A better solution would be to precook the meat to the point where the bacteria dies.
It'll cost more money, and due to that less people will probably eat it.Natural selection, no, modern selection, even more kickass and in your face!
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Hunnter
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calm_incense
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Hunnter:
Cars, scissors, paper, glass, and doors all have practical purposes. If you can't distinguish between those things and junk food, I pity you.
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Hunnter:
Junk food still has a use, despite your craptacular opinion on it.
And all burgers aren't automatically junk food either. - 2 years ago
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Hunnter
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lvk104
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Hunnter:
you obviously didn't read beyond the headline. there's no talk of banning anything - it's a discussion about the fact that Americans are consuming a lot of something that's bad and potentially deadly, and a reminder that perhaps we should consider our diets more closely. There's no law, no move to actually forbid anyone from doing stupid things
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lvk104
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calm_incense
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Burgers are overrated. You guys have no idea how moronic you sound when you say you "love" what amounts to nothing more than junk food.
The three most important food groups are fruits, vegetables, and seafood. If you take Omega-3 supplements, then you can cross out seafood. Either way, there's nothing particularly beneficial about meat, especially red meat. There are other - better - ways to get protein.
Oh, and JohnA? Baseball and apple pie don't carry E coli.
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calm_incense
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calm_incense:
There may be better ways, but there are none more tasty. Tip, wash your hands, cook your food, works everytime.
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cool1
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I have to tell you that there is no way that we are going to get rid of the almighty burgers.
I love burgers and I have been told that I make some of the best. I've had friends that cook for a living and they love my burgers.
There are more important issues that this country needs
to be concerned with. There is no power on earth that can stop me from making and eating burgers.
P.S. Have you ever had a JUICY LUCY burger? - 2 years ago
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lvk104
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cool1:
You couldn't be more wrong. The meat industry is a leading polluter. You consume ammonia used to kill the E coli in you burgers. It also takes 20 calories of subsidized corn to produce 1 calorie of antibiotic infused meat. In other words, you are taking food that could be used to feed MILLIONS of starving people (if you want to address larger HUMANITARIAN issues) and feed it to cows. Waste runoff is polluting our waterways. Eating red meat is directly linked to cancer and heart disease.
And all because you want to feel like you 'choose' to eat meat. You are told what to eat by conglomerates that spend BILLIONS of dollars convincing you that you have made a choice.
If you had half a brain, you would have researched at least your opinion. You haven't, however, and continue to live a stupid lifestyle. Way to go. - 2 years ago
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lvk104
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Ares
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I'll defend to the death my right to eat 27 Big Hardees every day.
- 2 years ago
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Ares
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bwag19
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Ares:
youll be defending for about 2 weeks.
- 2 years ago
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bwag19
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lordsbassman
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Free range grass fed! I wish that could be the standard.. its at least my standard.
- 2 years ago
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lordsbassman
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lvk104
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lordsbassman:
That's a cop-out...some of the worst animal abuse is perpetrated at the 'free range' and 'grass fed' operations, not to mention the most disgusting lack of sanitation. It's like thinking that 'cage free' eggs are free of the horrors of egg harvesting...
If you want to avoid the health issues you've either got to do it yourself (i.e raise and slaughter the animal yourself) or give up the addiction known as meat consumption. - 2 years ago
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lvk104
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schobiz
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lordsbassman:
I agree that we need be weary of labels, but I've not seen much evidence that suggests "some of the worst animal abuse is perpetrated at the 'free range' and 'grass fed' operations". I'm sure there are people out there that abuse animals, regardless of the conditions in which they are being raised and kept, but if we revert back to having TRANSPARENCY in our food system, most of these things could be avoided.
- 2 years ago
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schobiz
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lvk104
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lordsbassman:
Bruce Friedrich, PETA's VP, was discussing it at the campus where I attend classes. I am not necessarily a PETA supporter, but the information they ferret out is useful. For instance some of the 'local' farms that supply dairy for Land 'O Lakes products are positively heinous...The link below takes you to a summation of their investigation into a relatively small, 'grass fed' dairy farm in rural Pennsylvania (my home state, no less):
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/09/land_olakes.php - 2 years ago
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lvk104
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lionskill
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I shop at a grocery store that grinds its own meat. Find a grocery store in your area that does the same. Talk to the people who work with your food, ask who they get their product from. People like to blame others for getting sick... You ate it, its your fault. If you don't think the people who make your burger are safe with your food, don't eat it. I love a rare steak, but I will never eat anything but a well done hamburger. Make sure your food is cooked properly before you put it in your mouth. Another thing, we all have E.Coli in our stomachs right now, assuming you aren't taking antibiotics. E.Coli is seen as a red flag in the food industry, as most strains of E.Coli including the majority in cows are harmless. Hamburgers are as bad as spinach.
- 2 years ago
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lionskill
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mjsthedinarwhal
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lionskill:
I agree with you for the most part, except that poor baby didn't choose his food. (though maybe the "complications" weren't due to burgers specifically)
- 2 years ago
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mjsthedinarwhal
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masterzip
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watch "Modern Meat"
1lb. of grocery store ground beef can contain more than 100 different cows from 5 different states,....an explosion of bacteria just waiting to make someone sick - 2 years ago
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masterzip
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outtheinside
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masterzip:
i'm pretty sure the fact that 100 cows from a few different states can be found in 1lb of ground beef has nothing to do with the bacterial content... it's the same animal species with the same bacteria - 1lb of it to be exact.
- 2 years ago
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outtheinside
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randomly
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masterzip:
the risk of spreading contaminated meat would go up.
- 2 years ago
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randomly
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captain_insano
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How about throwing the CEO of beef packers who violate food standards in jail. The first time you throw one of the CEOS of a meat packing company because of poor health standards in jail I can guarantee this shit will stop. And give the FDA more power to actually keep our food supply safe.
- 2 years ago
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captain_insano
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luthreads
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captain_insano:
the FDA need no more power than it already has, friend. It is a business that is influenced by lobbyists. The FDA is one of the reasons that soda is sold in schools and many many people get sick yearly from eating fast foods.
In 2006 the commissioner of the FDA's Obesity Working Group, also had hundreds of thousands of dollars of stock in PepsiCo and Sysco Food Services (Sysco holds contracts for most schools cafeterias along with most restaruants.) I am sure you remember the grade D quality foods that they served you in elementary school. That is just one shady mark on the FDA. I think people should be able to choose to eat delicious yet horrible ground beef, however it should be taken out of schools. - 2 years ago
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luthreads
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tommic
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What a stupid idea
- 2 years ago
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tommic
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JohnA
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Yeah, let's get of baseball and apple pie too while we're at it. I hope the Nobel Prize winner didn't see this, he'll want to tax them.
- 2 years ago
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JohnA
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SoundBigfoot
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JohnA:
We pay for beef with subsidies, why tax just cut that.
- 2 years ago
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SoundBigfoot
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charliesommers
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JohnA:
This is one of the dumbest comments I ever read.
- 2 years ago
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charliesommers
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metalcookiesxy70
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JohnA:
John, you are whining about false blames..
- 2 years ago
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metalcookiesxy70
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good_stuff
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Or just stop eating them when they're pink in the middle. Perhaps if we stopped using ketchup it would make it easier to tell.
- 2 years ago
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good_stuff
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TopScruffy
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good_stuff:
or maybe we can stop eating because its completely fucked to eat another being and disgusting to rip into the flesh of another mammal?
- 2 years ago
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TopScruffy
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boywhocould
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A MILLION TIMES YES!!!!
LONG LIVE THE CARNE ASADA BURRITO!!!
- 2 years ago
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boywhocould
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carmalite
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boywhocould:
Tacos al carbon.........................midnight from a vendor in Mexico City after a movie. Nothing more delicious.
- 2 years ago
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carmalite
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erodut
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boywhocould:
Tacos al carbón....no manches carnal. Que antojo.
- 2 years ago
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erodut
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freshfish
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probably, but man it would be hard i love those nasty little things
- 2 years ago
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freshfish
