Muslims protest in the UK: ''Islam Will Conquer The World. Israel Will Be Destroyed''

"Since Muslims make up 20% of the world's population, their involvement in over 50% of the world's terrorist groups is telling and troubling"

But it is "Islamophobic" to notice, doncha know.

"An(other) Inconvenient Truth--about Terrorism," by Timothy Rhea Furnish for the History News Network, October 19:

So, just over half the world's terrorist organizations are Muslim in origin and function. No other religious ideology is close--not even, most notably, Christianity (with its 2 billion+ membership, you'd think more would be involved in violence, wouldn't you?). Since Muslims make up 20% of the world's population, their involvement in over 50% of the world's terrrorist [sic] groups is telling and troubling--and something the NIS is loathe to admit, thus tainting its claim to "know...the nature of the threats."

Hm, you guys are always in the constant mode of caling out the "liberals" when you really don't pay attention at all....

Sad you even accuse Current of being Liberal, and by the way, Muslims weren't the major blame for 9/11, they were extremists, driven upon like what many extremists have...Until all of you can understand that, maybe the hatred between religions can reduced...

Sorry Fallen to leave you hanging...

"As far as progressive liberal socialosts are concerned, any who dare denounce their leftist agenda is "right-wing-nut republican" so just what exactly is your point?"

I'm not a progressive liberal socialist, so your point is moot.

Fallen,

By your comments, any aspersions cast on the 1% (or whatever % you agree to) are seen as racist and bigoted unless they include a disclaimer that the comments about people who embrace a certain view of Islam in no way reflect upon all practitioners of Islam.

Your point about the Muslim mainstream is well taken, but it does not apply to the radical jihadis.

Where in the fuck have I said terrorists are just misunderstood puppies who need a big hug?

And so I guess all Republicans are loonies because the rational majority of them fail to distance themselves from the birthers and their insane ilk.

Ah the usual objections from F/M about the innocent Muslims being unfairly persecuted because from their midst arise the Jihadist we despise...
...Hard fact: be it as it may, their complicity is self evident by their silence and failure to cleanse themselves of the cancerous filth on man-kind that spawns within their midst.

"Her action is part of the stealth jihad. In the long term more effective than flying planes into skyscrapers. It is a war of attrition.....a wearing down or weakening of resistance in the infidel society as a result of continuous pressure or harassment."

http://current.com/items/90962104_muslim-teen-sues-abercrombie-and-fitch.htm

"Oh come on, Morgan. Open your eyes and stop taking up for and making excuses for those who would gladly kill you in an instant if given the chance unless you agreed to live obligingly to their demands. Radical Muslims are REAL, Morgan, whether you choose to admit it or not, and they would like nothing better than to force us to submit to their stupid and radical views."

I AM NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE EXTREMISTS. I AM NOT PRETENDING THESE PEOPLE DO NOT EXIST.

I am sick and tired of people putting words in my mouth. You may acknowledge the difference between an extremist and normal Muslim, but there are people here who cannot.

Oh so you're all magically exempt from the community standards. Yeah.

Uh oh. Maybe I should have read to here, the end of this thread, before I posted my response to our dear Morgan. I should have remembered that he will "flag" a post in a heartbeat if someone says something he doesn't like, as if "flagging" a post is the ultimate punishment for those who dare speak their own opinions. I did notice, though, that the powers that be at current didn't remove the "offensive" (to Morgan) post. Gee, could it be that the post wasn't the awful, hateful thing Morgan claimed it to be? Could it be that it's possible, on current, to have your own opinion?

"I agree with you. How can one have a discussion of the 1% or whatever that are fanatical adherents without being depicted as racists, intolerant, etc.?"

You can. I observed though, that there are some here who cross the line and start to attack all Muslims.

"NO, WE DO NOT THINK ALL MUSLIMS ARE OUR ENEMY.... ONLY THE ONES THAT WANT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND ENSLAVE US WITH THEIR LAWS AND RELIGION."

You might not, and I commend you for that, but some people here do not seem to share your belief.

"and everyone else whose needle isn't stuck... make a copy of that text and dump it on the troll every time he opens his repetitive mouth again, please?"

Flagged.

samthesixth is right 10 percent is a low estimate its up to the good muslems to control the rest. if not we are in for some bad times.i do believe extremest religion of any kind is bad.

FallenMorgan,

Come on man. Here is his opening line.

>>>>Feel the love from the religion of peace.

Time's a wastin', start the crusades!

Yes, because all 1.5 Billion Muslims were at that protest. Your opening line implies that all or most Muslims are like this, which is false and hateful.

I do.

Here is a transcription of Muslims' remarks in the streets of London yesterday,just in case this video is pulled:

''We're here to protest against this man, Geert Wilders, who offended the message of Mohamed, (bla bla bla aleikum Islam). We're here to give him a message that, like he's doing his interview today holed up, he'll remain holed up, because he obviously knows that in Islam, the punishment for the one who insults the prophet is capital punishment. And he should take lessons from people like Theo Van Gogh and others who faced the punishment. So obviously we're here to warn him and remind him that he's going to remain holed up as long as he insults Islam and Muslims.

Is that going to be considered a threat, what you just said?

Well obviously I'm saying, I'm not saying that I'm personally am going to carry out, but, he needs to know that there are Muslims in every corner of the earth, and these people they all have the love for the message of Mohamed (bla bla bla aleikum Islam). And in the message of Mohamed he said, "the one who insults any of the prophets, kill him". That is a capital punishment. Not necessarily that personally i'm going to carry it out, but he should be warned that, you know, of the consequences of it.

Do you consider this a victory today that you prevented him from speaking?

Well obviously, all those people who insult Islam, they are under constant protection anyway, they don't live a life, so they should learn from that and don't insult the message of Allah.

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Man leading the mob shouts: "We will see Israel destroyed, we will see the European crusaders destroyed, we will see Islam dominate."

Muslim interviewer: We are gathered here today because the guy at the back, Geert Wilders, has insulted the prophet and insulted the Koran, and as we know the Muslims, the messenger Mohamed, (bla bla bla aleikum Islam) said, "whoever insults the prophet, "fac teluhum", kill him. And we are here to let the people know that we're not going to stand for this no more, that we are here to let the people know that the British, the the UK, are hypocrites, yet they prosecute the Muslims for incitement and racial hatred, and yet he says so many things against Islam, he says so many things about the Koran and nothing happens to him, and he gets granted to come to the UK.

So we're not going to stand for it no more, we've come here to let the people know that this is no more. So let the whole world know that we meet him and if we had an Islamic state today, his head would be on the stake.

Interview of a devout Muslim demonstrator: You see, Geert Wilders, the things that he said, was anti-Islam, anti-Muslim, and they're not something new. The British government and the Dutch government and all of these governments are allied together killing Muslims in Iraq and in Afghanistan so this is nothing new. what we say to him is, let him come outside. How is it that this man is now scared, he's running scared he can't come outside the building, and the police and the government are here supporting him and protecting him from the Muslims.

Geert Wilders, the message is to him, is to come outside and face the Muslims, come outside and feel how the Islamic, the Islamic punishment should be on him, is obviously one, only one, and he's so scared. Where did all the freedom go, and where did all the democracy and everything,..let him come outside, let the police go home, two minutes, two minutes, and see how he's faced with the Islamic view on all of this on what he's said.''

Freedom of speech, but only for Muslims. Get it?

youtube pulls videos? Surely NOT! How can this be? Can it be that they're afraid if they show the truth about the religion of peace that same religion of peace will do something HORRIBLE to them? Oh, come now. How can you be so silly as to even THINK that??

(And, akamaial, be careful what you say.........)

Iran will need more nukes then what they plan. Bring it on freddy.

Watch the video now before youtube pulls it.

"Freedom can go to hell" says one sign. How enlightened?

Yea-ah, just feel the love.
....religion of peace, kiss my ass!

Ahhhh.............. the warm and fuzzy feeling I get from that religion of peace, Islam.....

Consider the empirical evidence (from polls, surveys, voting patterns, etc.) regarding Muslims' opinions about the blasphemy penalties. In this case, most Muslims in the U.K. want some kind of harsh penalties for blasphemy against Islam/Muhammad. The mainstream Islamic legal punishments for blasphemy are very harsh, up to and including death. In regards to the blasphemy issue, then, the loud-mouthed radicals in the video are not merely quoting/paraphrasing hadiths and sharia, but are reflecting popular Muslim sentiment in the U.K.
Yes, we should certainly remain aware that many Muslims do not want the Islam one finds in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. Many Muslims don't want jihad or Islamic law. Many Muslims, that is, are only nominal Muslims. And many Muslims are only vaguely and very imperfectly aware of the contents of their own doctrines, because Islam entails reciting the Qur'an in Arabic, which few Muslims know. Even Arabs today find Qur'anic 7th century Arabic far from transparent.

But it's wrong to suppose that the problem here is a tiny minority of Muslims. Significant percentages of Muslims support Islam, no matter what it says. Significant percentages of Muslims like Osama bin Laden. Significant percentages of Muslims believe apostasy from Islam should be punished by death. Significant percentages of Muslims believe Islam should dominate everywhere on earth and place the whole earth under Islamic law. All the schools of Islamic law support the death penalty for apostasy from Islam.

Islam is a worldwide totalitarian threat -- in Thailand, in the Philippines, in Israel, in Europe, in Africa. And it is a totalitarian threat because young men like those in the video are arguably more in tune with Islam's central documents than are the so-called moderate Muslims who virtually never come out publically in criticism of the totalitarian behavior of the jihadists and lovers of Islamic law. And why don't the moderates come out publically? Because the "extremists" are closer to the actual contents of Islam than are the moderates. The moderates do not have a theological leg to stand on. And if they try anyway, they risk being shunned,threatened, or killed by their co-religionists. Who wants to have to watch his own back all the time?

Apart from theology, the proof is in the pudding. Muslim-majority nations on the whole have the worst human rights records of any nations on earth. The larger the percentage of Muslims in a nation, the worse that nation's adherence to civil liberties and political rights tends to be.

For those who are interested in further empirical findings on Muslims' opinions on blasphemy/freedom of expression, here are some results from a few years ago, recent enough to still be relevant.

http://epress.anu.edu.au/nts/mobile_devices/ch11s02.html

(Note: The author apparently did not include some of the more harsh penalties for blasphemy from the punishment options in the survey)

While these hadith-quoting Muslim "protesters" may be a small minority radical group, in fact their stated views regarding the harsh punishments for criticizing Islam and Muhammad are mainstream. Polls indicate that most Muslims in the U.K. want critics of Muhammad and Islam to be criminally prosecuted and punished. The standard penalty in sharia for criticizing Islam or Muhammad is death. Here they are using Geert Wilders as an example, threatening to kill him, and thus threatening to kill anyone who mentions anything critical of Islam or Muhammad. Where Muslims are not able to implement the death penalty for this "crime," they seek whatever punishments they can get, and vigorously wage jihad of whatever kinds that they can manage to attack the Islam critic.

Unlike the elaborate webs of apologetics spun in regards to the apostasy penalty in Islam, most Muslims, in my experience, are surprisingly forthright in their openly angry reactions toward blasphemy. They generally do not deny that there are penalties in sharia for blasphemy, and they do state publicly that there should be some kind of criminal penalties for blasphemy.

Some of them do use apologetics, mostly tu quoque and various deflections and distractions, regarding the blasphemy penalties, but for the most part Muslims in the West seem to realize that the blasphemy penalties are something they have little choice but to defend. For if non-Muslims were permitted to freely criticize Islam and Muhammad, without fear and without punishment, Islam would be finished, at least as a legal-military-political entity, perhaps within a generation of two. Islam will live or die depending on exactly what sorts of expressions and statements are permitted.