Why Do We Need A Central Bank? PBS
source: http://www.pbs.org/nbr/blog/2009/10/why_do_we_need_a_central_bank.html
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The historical myth is that the Fed was created because laissez-faire in banking produced the periodic panics and crises of the late 19th century. In fact, banking during that period was heavily regulated, particuarly with respect to the production of currency. The National Banking System regulations made it very expensive for banks to provide additional currency.............
http://www.pbs.org/nbr/blog/2009/10/why_do_we_need_a_central_bank.html
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read_noam_chomsky
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I think its time for a tax revolt.
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read_noam_chomsky
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mbeharry
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I think i can sum it up well: The Fed is great for bankers and horrible for us working stiffs.
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mbeharry
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regjoeschmo
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson
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regjoeschmo
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hunzedog
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HEAR HEAR DAT? we need to fight tyranny wherever it exists !
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hunzedog
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regjoeschmo
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"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.. corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed. Abraham Lincoln
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regjoeschmo
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J_Jammer [removed]
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It's the whole water hose, monkey and the banana scenario.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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bombastinator
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J_Jammer:
wait.. no, don't explain, I like the picture in my head more... Does this also include cheerleaders? nevermind...
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bombastinator
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bombastinator
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my jaw is still hanging that shanklinmike posted a PBS story. I've got to see this.
ahhh..
"One of the more interesting developments during the current recession is a small but growing drumbeat of criticism of the Federal Reserve System. No longer the exclusive province of the anti-Semitic, nationalist hard right,..." Ok, we're on the same page here...
He then goes on to make the standard case... It really does sound a lot less insane without all those exhortations about "freedom" "liberty" and "slavery" common for shanklinmike posts....
But wait! Here's the kicker at the bottom:
"Steven Horwitz is Charles A. Dana Professor of Economics at St. Lawrence University. His opinions do not necessarily reflect the views of Nightly Business Report. To learn more about Steven Horwitz, read his bio."get that? "His opinions do not necessarily reflect the views of Nightly Business Report."
This is ust some guest they invited on for an interview or something. So where is the interview I wonder?The Bio:
"STEVEN HORWITZ is Charles A. Dana Professor of Economics at St. Lawrence University in Canton, NY and an Affiliated Senior Scholar at the Mercatus Center in Arlington, VA. He is the author of two books, Microfoundations and Macroeconomics: An Austrian Perspective (Routledge, 2000) and Monetary Evolution, Free Banking, and Economic Order (Westview, 1992), and he has written extensively on Austrian economics, Hayekian political economy, monetary theory and history, and the economics and social theory of gender and the family. His work has been published in professional journals such as History of Political Economy, Southern Economic Journal, and The Cambridge Journal of Economics."So basically he IS one of these hard right guys, and is only claiming that it is no longer merely the providence of wack jobs.
Now i definitely want to see that interview.
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bombastinator
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shanklinmike
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bombastinator:
Can I see the list of "hard right guys" that I am not suppose to post from?
Thanks for the censorship list.....
someone who stands up for the constitution is "hard right" to you.....how sad....
If the "hard rights" are constitutionalists, what do you stand for?
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shanklinmike
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bombastinator:
huh? I'm not censoring. There's nothing wrong with this article at all that I can find ethics wise. Practically everyone has a political slant of some kind here I can't fault you for that. I didn't mean to sound like I was. I usually point out when you post something that is not ethically bent, but the post was getting a bit long so i omitted it. Sorry if there was any confusion. For what it's worth I didn't vote you down.
That said it also doesn't mean we have to agree on our various slants.
I'm not censoring, I'm disagreeing.
Along with some pointing and laughing. I'm generally big on the pointing and laughing normally. More laughter may come if and when I find this segment he was in, or not, depending on how he did. For all I know ATM he acquitted himself well. My money is on not so much though.[edit] as for the hard right comment those were his words. Ron Paul is considered hard right. He was widely considered to be the right wing alternative in the last presidential election for those who thought McCain wasn't fundie enough.
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bombastinator
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shanklinmike
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bombastinator:
What is a fundie and what do they believe, please list as many principles of the fundies that you consider in your analysis.
What is hard right to you? I would like to hear the ideals of a hard rightist....
Do you consider Bush a hard-rightist?
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shanklinmike
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bombastinator:
what do ya call it when you dont like neither side. cuz thats what the fu)k i am. i think both of the low down dirty bums need running out of town on a rail. they dont listen to us anymore. we shouldnt represent them anymore. get the petition going. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION !
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hunzedog
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bombastinator:
@shanklinmike I think I see the point you are digging for. It's not a bad one.
Perhaps it would be more accurate instead of "Ron Paul is considered hard right." to say "Ron Paul was a favorite of the hard right in the Republican primary."@hunzedog That's how the system works I'm afraid. No one really likes it, but other options are even worse.
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bombastinator
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Maitereya
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kill the fed!!!!
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Maitereya
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regjoeschmo
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These things you speak of would not cost as much if there was no inflation on our currency....... Our ability to compete withother nations is based on the value of our dollar, not how many dollars we can print.....
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regjoeschmo
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shanklinmike
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regjoeschmo:
It doesn't matter what you say, they will use slavery "compassionately" will blindly denying it, it's like the little kid whose mother caught him with his hand in the cookie jar who looks her right in the eye and says he wasn't doing it......
They are blinded to their own slave system and then blame it on freedom....it's really easy to do....and what is worse is the fact that so many people actually believe that governments have all these magical powers. They think government is a mixture between Superman, Mother Teresa, and Santa Claus instead of seeing it for what it really is......lobbyists and special interest groups that will always overpower the "voice of the people". That is why it must be minimized, but nobody wants to give up their form of protectionism....so the slave system continues, posing falsely as the answer when it has been the problem!
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shanklinmike
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regjoeschmo
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regjoeschmo:
I agree with you.. I was responding to int_mass
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regjoeschmo
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int_massEntropy
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Everyone comes down on the banking system, but without it we most likely would not have the great roads we have, or the awesome buildings in our great cities. We definitely would not be able to compete with other countries. We may even have a different outcome on the World Wars. If we could not have borrowed money to do these things the world you all live in would be vastly different, maybe so much so that you would be on the other side arguing FOR a central banking system.
Just like with taxes, everyone wants the new "complex center" but no one wants to pay up.Americans are selfish, short sighted, and often resort to violence to solve problems. Those are the first signs of an under educated person.
I could be wrong, I am just an American too...
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int_massEntropy
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shanklinmike
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int_massEntropy:
You have got to be kidding me....
All of these things are or should be funded by the more efficient states, debating fiat currency has nothing to do with funding public sectors. Fiat currency doesn't even have anything to do with borrowing, in fact, it's the 3rd factor in the spending equation!
Governments raise revenue 3 ways, taxing, borrowing, and PRINTING.....printing is what we are talking about....and you are right, a lot of that money is already going to the military industrial complex!
Taxes ARE violence! Try not paying your tax....you are a slave and will be imprisoned if you disagree with their big government, especially when the government props up corporations through protectionism that is derived from central bank debt notes! Americans are selfish, they do want too much from centralized coercive monopolies (governments).
Such a disappointment you call me undereducated for rejecting corporatism slavery through monetary monopoly slavery! You sound silly backing up the status quo!
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shanklinmike
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int_massEntropy:
we wouldnt have all those bankers making money hand over fist neither ! dernitt, make me pay 5 bucks to cash my measly check. too ? please , pay for your own special interests...they dont interest me !
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hunzedog
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larrysnotes
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So the Obama commies can take over faster with our own money. Nice if your a commie.
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larrysnotes:
you forgot the part about tainting our precious bodily fluids...
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RaceBannon
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i remember my history professor in my sophomore year at uni used to say something like "before money and private ownership, there was no such words as homeless, poor, or debt. I think you can see where I'm going with this..
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RaceBannon
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shanklinmike
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RaceBannon:
Poverty is man's state of nature.
Decentralization of power towards Liberty and individual choice is what brought about prosperity, that and competitive markets.....but then again these are all positively correlated.
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shanklinmike
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RaceBannon:
i didnt fall into a crack..they made this crack and swept me into it....me and every carpenter, painter, plumber, mechanic, teacher, cook, waitress, are hurting.they could have helped by now ! I have no delusions about theyre intentions...they mean to hurt us. hell, they are !
they have been ! - 2 years ago
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hunzedog
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hunzedog
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RaceBannon:
i didnt fall into a crack..they made this crack and swept me into it....me and every carpenter, painter, plumber, mechanic, teacher, cook, waitress, are hurting.they could have helped by now ! I have no delusions about theyre intentions...they mean to hurt us. hell, they are !
they have been ! - 2 years ago
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hunzedog
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AlGores_Uncle
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Well its not very convenient to back every dollar with gold, so we stopped. We created a system of monopoly money....
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AlGores_Uncle:
It's not very convenient for the government that is....
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hunzedog
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AlGores_Uncle:
lets see there faces when we stop using it and they become worthless !!! like they themselves ARE ! ! !
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NumLock [removed]
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NumLock:
because trading in chickens makes for a large and messy wallet.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/93532/the-best-little-whorehouse-in-texas
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bombastinator
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NumLock:
chicken make a lousy housepet. swap two cows fer a car.........cows for clunkers
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NumLock:
Plus have you ever tried to snort cocaine with a chicken?!? It won't end well and they'll never shut up.
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UndoInfluence
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hunzedog
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cuz we need to get them all together . in a big room together with all their new paper money that we must have. and tell them CO)KSUCKERS that they are fired. all that funny money that they thought was so priceless is worthless. that DOW jones shell game you have been playing with yourselves is over. your money is only paper. no matter what it shows in you 7500 illegal bank accounts. your money is no good here. you have been bad and we are taking away your allowance.....
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hunzedog
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rmann0581
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President Ford said that if people knew how the monitary system worked, there would be a revolution the next day.
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rmann0581
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bombastinator
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rmann0581:
Other fun Ford quotes:
I love sports. Whenever I can, I always watch the Detroit Tigers on the radio.
Gerald R. FordIf Lincoln were alive today, he'd be turning over in his grave.
Gerald R. FordMy fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.
Gerald R. FordThings are more like today than they have ever been before.
Gerald R. FordAnd my personal favorite:
The political lesson of Watergate is this: Never again must America allow an arrogant, elite guard of political adolescents to by-pass the regular party organization and dictate the terms of a national election.
Gerald R. Ford - 2 years ago
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regjoeschmo
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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson
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regjoeschmo
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regjoeschmo
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Let us not forget the distrust our founding fathers had when it came to banks themselves......
"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too...retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must...be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.
This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
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