Axelrod: Fox News is 'Not Really A News Organization'

I don't watch tv man, I don't even have cable.

Pick out your favorite moment and talk to me about it. And if you think he's not doing harm to this country, you're crazy.

He covers up for the crooks, he's a Bush-man for Christ's sake. All of those guys are, don't forget that.

And the fact that he's against pot should tell you something.

He can't stand Bush. He is an independent. Since you don't have cable I guess you missed Beck on CNN railing against Bush.

I thought you had a link to prove your point.

That was too much to hope for.

http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html

The story is from 2003, so most of the more legit sources have erased it from their archives.

But there you go, I can find you more if you're still skeptical. There are interviews of the plaintiffs.

I don't like FOX. But at least, as you pointed out, they know what they do is entertainment unlike ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, CNN, and MSNBC.

But that is the trouble that the people who watch Fox don't admit it and they make the even worse mistake of defending it by using the ratings if that somehow excuses the failings to report accurately.

The other networks fail to positively use the principles of journalism as a higher priority but at least they don't outright lie and do as much negative damage.

The difference in degree between Fox and the other networks failing to uphold the principles of journalism is more obvious, but people don't seem to notice anyway and that is the worst part of the whole mess since they are still getting distorted information and they don't even care since they are focusing on being entertained instead.

Fox Affiliate...not Fox Cable news.

Unless they are one and the same. The information points to Florida Fox News station LOCAL. Nothing to do with Cable Fox News.

Argon,

CBS went with forged documents against Bush--that was a lie.

NYT, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC all went with false stories about Marine atrocities in Fallujah.

FOX has no monopoly on being slimy truth manipulators.

How is this a fair metaphor for what's going on in Afghanistan?

He's lighting a powder-keg that his predecessor had the wisdom to avoid for the 8 years he was supposed to take care of it?

MSNBC is Obama's blow up doll.

I agree, he is pretty weak-spined considering how much support he has in congress, it's pretty absurd.

You have apparently never watched the day time news on FOX NEWS!

what do you watch.....the inauguration speech over and over.?

Nanac is right, and yes, I have watched Fox daytime.

And hunze, plenty of people don't watch tv news period. I don't, I read newspapers, I listen to radio and I go online.

The BBC is an excellent news source for most subjects, THEY are a truly good example of fair and balanced.

Listen to them once and I guarantee you you'll see what everyone here is talking about with Fox.

I'm from the planet where the President of the United States of America is more important and influential than a news network. Where people aren't so stupid as to think that one man can be held accountable for every problem a nation has (I DEARLY hope you were kidding with that "fault" comment). Where it's called complaining no matter which side of an argument you're on.

What in the FUCK are you talking about?

Thanks for admitting that Bush was a prominent conservative voice.

People need to be reminded of that as often as they can.

Current is not all around fair in any way. It is more biased than CNN or FOX. Look at the stories. Why are all stories about Repubs featured in a negative ight?

Disprove what?

That state department members aren't communists? That not being an ardent Christian won't make you kill people? That Obama isn't making death camps to send conservatives to?

Hunze, what exactly is on his show that needs disproving?

He's a demagogue, 95% of his show is rhetoric.

is acorn crooked. ? tell me that one. are he and his cronies stealing money from some people and giving it to others who dont deserve it.? is there insider trading going on? why didnt he ask americans about cash 4 clunkers ? if it wasnt special interest. why do they spend millions of dollars$$$ and damn near a year talking about healtcare..when pharmaceutical companies and tobacco lobbyists kill a half a million people every year with poison..hell just make cigaretts illegal and there you go. saved ten times more people than died from the lack of insurance last year.......i want to know why they spent 10 trillion dollars and nobody has a job. the government is f@Cked up worse than a soup sandwitch...any one who cant see that needs their vision checked. and i wont pay for that either.........i dont even know what a neocon is. but i know a theif when i see one...and a dumbass....but hey, i have great hopes..and legitimate reasons for distrust........you wont stop me

Chill out hunze, give me time to reply before you cast me off as a member of the conspiracy.

ACORN isn't crooked, Democrats politically sacrificed them to deal with the fallout of the right-wing noise machine.

First off, their voter-fraud wasn't voter fraud. Their employees get paid to bring in voter registration forms, so they falsified a bunch to keep their jobs. ACORN is obligated by law to mail them regardless of what they say. Obviously, it's not of any use to anyone since no one named Mickey Mouse can actually vote.

And the prostitution thing was also a joke, but anything that says "child prostitution" is literally a political atom bomb. So they had to disenfranchise ACORN. What happened is some asshole pretending to be a pimp went to FIVE different ACORN sites and tried to get advice for his organization and got one of them to talk to him. Then edited it out to make it look like he could just walk in and get that kind of help.

Is there insider trading going on? Between who? And last time I checked, the right doesn't even care about financial fraud. They don't regulate it and they barely prosecute it because those guys are their buddies. Case in point, the ENRON scandal.

Why didn't he ask Americans about Cash for Clunkers? Why would he? He was doing something he was elected to do. What president in history, ever, has -asked- his people what they wanted while he was in office?

Plus, that's a double-edged sword, because then he would just be called a coward for not being a "leader."

He doesn't spend millions of dollars every year talking about healthcare, insurance companies do that!

Plus, we're not even one year into this Presidency. We have not been talking about this for very long.

I agree with you about pharmaceuticals and tobacco, but you can't just ban cigarettes outright. It doesn't work, we tried it with alcohol in the 20's and 30's. It created huge problems and actually made more people drink. Plus, what about the freedom to choose?

Nobody spent ten trillion dollars on the stimulus, it was 600 billion and most of it was in tax cuts. And remember how HUGE the opposition was to that?

The economy is shit right now, nothing can really fix it. That's just the reality. 2.2 trillion dollars or more was just destroyed by this Wall Street crime job, no one has the collateral to deal with that. So tons of businesses just got wiped out.

It's a good thing to have a healthy skepticism for the actions of government, but make sure that distrust is self-maintained, not guided. If someone is telling you who a crook is, check it out for yourself before you write it all off.

And the LAST thing you should EVER trust is someone on tv crying into a camera.

any one who cant see that needs their vision checked. and i wont pay for that either

Awesome line man. I loved it.

BTW, I dont want to pay for it either

You don't listen to Bob? None but ourselves can free our minds.

The Pushy democrats(not all of them) have been dissing and bad mouthing anything that doesn't go along with them, especially those they are afraid of most.
A lot of times their method works because the irritations they create gets to be too much and they cut their losses and go back home.
I'm afraid that's not going to work in this case. Trying to get rid of the highest rating News station won't be easy. They should ask themselves why FOX NEWS gets the highest rating. And it's not because they're giving away free cars! Or have reality shows where total strangers make total idiots of them selves for monetary reward or their 15 min. of fame!

The reason Fox News is the highest rated is because most of Americans still have conservative values. Most Americans still want to listen to a fair and balanced news channel. Barack Hussein Obama now has the lowest approval rating of any president EVER. The Independents are leaving him. The Change that he promised is here and people would rather have their freedom.

Oh, not just a move but a POLITICAL move, ho ho.

As opposed to......what? A strategic move? A fiscal move?

How is anything you talk about on a news show as a presidential appointee anything other than political?

And let me get this perplexing post from constitution straight.

Most Americans are conservative and want fair and balanced news, which is why they watch Fox even though it's conservative? You do realize that openly endorsing a political philosophy (if you'd venture to call conservatism that) is the farthest thing from fair and balanced you could be?

Lowest approval rating ever? Errrr, no. That'd be the last president. Obama is still in the high 50's/low 60's by any measurement, even the conservative ones.

Also, Tea-Party people aren't independents, so no, they haven't left him.

And can you tell me, concretely, what freedoms are actually being taken away?

Last time I checked, y'all we're in support of torture, wiretapping, surveillance, and religious indoctrination, so it's pretty fucking disingenuous to have an alias of which you either haven't read or don't care for.

Some of the Tea Party people, particularly Beck's followers, are independents. Obama was elected by independents. Neither party can win without them. He has lost much of the indie vote through calling them racist when they questioned his policies and flip flopping on health care, transparency, Iraq, etc.

It's only number one on cable. ABC CBS and NBC still draw more viewers than any single FOX news show.

Fox is in utter support of the "greedy people." So I dunno where you got that from.

And what facts do they talk about that you need addressed?

FOX News is the only network I will even watch anymore. The actual "news team" on Fox is by far the most fair and balanced than the other networks.

Me also.

Slanderous? Fox is not a public figure, they're an entertainment program.

Yes, argue for the news corporation that successfully won a supreme court case saying that it wasn't a crime to lie about the news.

opinions are everywhere.

@slarabee:

Yes we did, and replaced him with another one

That's a false equivalency though.

Some people push their views a whole hell of a lot more than they stick to the facts.