Prison paradise: In Norwegian open prisons murders & rapists lead the good life

You have to take into account other things like illegal people as well.

Wrong. It is not the old testament approach.

What crime was committed would be handled differently based on situation. Just because you killed someone doesn't mean you were going to die. It mattered on intent and if it was found to be an accident then you would be sent to a city of refuge where you had to live until the current priest died. And if you left that city before then the family could rightfully kill you. Stay and be protected.

So no America does not follow the old testament. Hopefully you're not an atheist, because this will further my point.

What an excellent post!

Looks and sounds like a bloody utopia, a societical paradise...I definitely want to travel here someday thanks for the post

That is not where they get to go when they commit the crime. They go to a similar (if I am not mistaken) place as in America. They work their good behavior and they end up in a place like above. That's not their first stop. Norway isn't full of dumb people. ha.

How hard is it to become a citizen in Norway?

How many illegals do they have?

Here's the link for immigration info, Jammer:
http://www.norway.org/?404=/visas/&done404=true
it will give you all the info you need to immigrate, it's not difficult.
as to how many people areliving there undacumented I don't actually know, but I'm sure if you are actually interested you could contact the embassy, they may have those numbers for you.

Hard work, like in TX.

Because that creates a business incentive to have prisoners, which is exactly what's happening right now.

You have cops falsifying crimes and bought off judges sentencing them away to provide slaves to cheap-ass corporations who don't want to pay decent wages. It's also basically slavery.

It's a far cry from what Norway is doing here, teaching them skills that they can use to live decently when they get out.

Yea, but in Norway, they aren't benefiting anyone while they are in there. The Norwegian example is un-American, because, as was mentioned, we believe in justice.

You have an interesting perspective, but I don't' think it stands on its own. Do you really think that there is widespread corruption where corporations are fixing the judicial system? Even if that is the case, that's not a penal problem, its a judicial one.

Norway isn't without corruption.

No way. Really?

I knew you didn't know. Had to tell you.

Did you? Wow, you are a self-appointed authority on everything with knowledge of nothing.

You're an angry little poster.

It does work but as with everything it doesn't work for everyone. It would be best if one could show repeat offenders....I have a friend that lives in Norway and I'd ask him but he's really so pro Norway that negatives don't seem to come into focus. It would be like asking MSNBC about how great Obama's doing. They only see the good more than the bad.

Nice superfluous Obama comment jammer, you're always good for one. Anyways, you can't be sure that this the reason their system appears to be working. In fact, nothing I've read here can even conclusively say that the prison system is working.

Aside from how MSNBC doesn't do well with criticizing those they promoted into office....

....they don't get to go to this place off the cuff. They have to earn it. It's the ones that work to be there. Those that don't work hard stay in America like prisons.

The kind that can only work in small populations.

It's a constitutional monarchy, similar to the system in the UK. Plus they're rich because of their huge petroleum and gas reserves offshore. What amazes me is that, unlike their Middle Eastern counterparts and especially Venezuela, they're saving most of the revenue generated from petroleum in a sovereign wealth fund.
The CIA fact book labels them a "bastion of welfare capitalism" i.e. having free markets with strong government intervention.

'Society' is the operative word and something that is actively opposed in the US.
Conservatives believe 'society' means 'their' tribe and nobody else. 'Society' equals 'socialism'.

me me me

Good question

you act like you can't google this and find out for yourself?

Do you see all this information on Current? Anyone could google and find. What's the point of this site?

'Anyone could google and find. What's the point of this site?'

Which begs the larger question, what is the point of Jammer the Contrarian's incessant troll-like skulking presence here at Current seven days a week?
You know, since he can't seem to discern 'the point of this site' and all. Couldn't he just google stuff?
Just wondering.

Since you can't see to discern the way this conversation was going why did you just go on about your merry way and comment else where?

Why did I? Why, I did not.

Reagrdless of your incoherent reply, my coherent question stands.

No, stalker, your question isn't reasonable. Try again.

I said 'coherent' not 'reasonable'. Which it was, while your comment was not. I can patste it her or I can draw you a daigram.

You can paste it HER all you want---whatever that means.

Anyway you didn't answer my question and I asked first:

How do they treat their homeless or does Norway not have homeless?

You did not direct that question at me. However, allow me to introduce you to the Google, since you appear to enriely unaware of this priceless resource.
'Homelessness in Norway' yields 894,000 results. look it up yourself. Let me know when you are done.

lol.

You should post that instead of articles.

So you're done? Thought so.

I asked a question.

Don't have an answer...don't respond.

But you tend to stalk, so it was expected.

By the end of 2001 five cities in Norway (Bergen, Stavanger, Trondheim, Oslo, and Kristiansand) started the implementation of housing and support developments for homeless people in cooperation with local NGOs. And Husbanken (Norwegian State Housing Bank) is in charge of the project management. In 2002 two more cities (Drammen and Tromsø) and three NGOs were involved in the program.

The governor body of the project is the ministry of social welfare and health, ministry of local government and regional affairs and Husbanken. They are working together developing models and methods in order to prevent homelessness. "The target group will be people without adequate housing or secure tenure and the need for professional support such as social, health or practical service".

The definition of homeless
"People who didn't dispose their own or rented housing, but have to live in casual accommodation, and persons without arranged accommodation for the next night".

Being homeless creates or releases psychiatric illness; the situation will often lead to drug abuse, and lack of a dwelling and an address will make it difficult to get work and an income.

Homelessness is a result of personal problems like drugs abuse, psychiatric illness or criminality. Also it is a result of a complex connection between personal and structural conditions.

Homeless in Norway
There are 6145 homeless registered in the municipality (The Norwegian Building Research Institute, Ulfrstad 1997), so, 1.4 per 1000 inhabitant are homeless in this country. This rate is bigger than homeless in Sweden and Denmark. The five largest cities have 25% of the total population while almost 70% of the homeless people.

Even though the housing conditions and equality distribution are good for the majority of the population, in Norway, there are groups who can not go into the housing market because they need professional help (psychological or social support and treatment).
Usually these people use to stay in institutions (including hospitals, psychiatrics institutions, prisons), with relatives and friends (from day to day or temporary), in hostels, camping, in streets. Most of them are males (76%) and the rate of ages is between 18 to 30 years old. The 84% of the homeless in Norway are single and the biggest personal problem is the narcotics abuse (about 31%), following by the alcohol abuse (30%). The 24 % have Psychiatric illness

http://www.lbf.no/include/default_template.asp?Table=Article&Key=12072

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1.4 of 1000 is an extremely low rate of homelessness.

But the prisoners are treated better, as you showed.

Read the article first.

And I'm sure you can at least think of some murderers you'd give a high five too and, if you're as conservative as you appear to be, probably some rapists too.

My moral judgment of a murder's motive is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if someone is going around Boondock Saints style and killing criminals and mafioso's, it's still murder. Crime of passion is crime of passion, no matter it's justification. This is what LEO's and military personnel are for.

I would love to hear what rapist you think I would high-five. Nobody deserves to be raped, ever.

Before smoking a rapist, the thinking man would allow the rapist to dry for a while first.

Rob a bank, no victims :)

YEAH ROB A BANK!!!! LOL!!!!!

The fact that they have them at all shows that their society isn't nearly as good as some would assume.

I don't think that repeat offenders existing says much about their society, some people's brains just work differently and are prone to commiting crimes, for most people I would imagine that it's due to factors in the enviornment that they have relatively little control over.

So some people are just inherently bad?

Norway not only has the lowest violent crime rate in the world, it also has the lowest recividism rate in the world.

Proof.

You say things without backing.

How can anyone trust that?

I've heard about this before and I think they let you, but no one does because it's so secluded and it would be more difficult to live alone in a commune.

For people that are not citizens.

Club Norway isn't for those that are not citizens.

30 what?

For not having citizenship?

Then what happened?

Not for everyone, because as it says---has a shot.

Shot meaning colloquially and obviously a slim chance based on their circumstances.

But yes, thank you captain obvious for doing nothing but repeating something I already said.

captain obvious...LOL

But you said it works, but it doesn't work for everyone.

That's something you didn't stress.

I did.

And that was already abundantly clear, hence, captain obvious.

PWN'D!!!

Look at that! You mean the state is actually trying to make them -productive- members of society instead of facilitating their criminal habits like we do here?
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That indicates that they all become such.

Not the case. Hence NOT apparent.

From Saladin's original post:

"In Norway, even murders and rapists ----have a shot---- at landing in "open prison.""

Have a shot being the key words, and read this next part. Murderers and rapists aren't just given a free ride.

Hence OBVIOUS.

Why do you love to continue arguments you've already lost? It doesnt make you right if people give up trying to argue.

Because you who disagree with me always continue to do so here.

It's not like you're being any different therefore it's not a shocker you'd agree with whatever is against me.

I already explained.

Not gonna change.

If you can actually point out a flaw in an argument i give either ill refute your argument or shut up. You seem to do neither.

You will not do anything but promote what you wish to see---failure.

I gave my side and it's not going to change. So you can just go away or get over it.

'I gave my side and it's not going to change.'

How revealing is that statement? You are a walking psychology textbook.
Unfortunately, you are also a talking psychology textbook.

And you're a textbook stalker.

Roger that. See you at the next post

Apparently those that kill didn't.