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One in six Americans in poverty, new study finds

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The level of poverty in America is even worse than first believed.

A revised formula for calculating medical costs and geographic variations show that approximately 47.4 million Americans last year lived in poverty, 7 million more than the government's official figure.
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63 comments // One in six Americans in poverty, new study finds

  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • You are right it will get worse as long as the rich elite,and their puppets,the people we elect,are running the show for their own greedy and selfish motives! We,the people outnumber them its time we do whatever it takes to return this country back to where WE not THEM control our own destiny!

    • 2 years ago
  • nursediesel
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • The real kicker is that the rich live off of the rest of us. They can't make competitive products. They have to have bailouts or hold people hostage with unregulated mandatory insurance policies (aka the public option). They can only exist on the backs of the working class by collecting their socialist corporate bailout welfare. Then they have to project their corruption and greed upon those they steal from by calling them lazy and telling them to work harder.

      Amazingly people buy all this. But people actually have the power. We can stop all this through political civil disobedience and by voting with our wallets. Drop your bank or use it as little as possible. Don't by insurance if you can avoid it. They just deny claims anyway. You have to play underhanded with these crooks. Lie, cheat, and steal, like they do.

      Got bills? Debt? Don't pay it. They don't. why should you?

      On the 28th there will be sit-ins at insurance companies around the country. Go there. make waves. Let them know it's not cool out there in the streets. http://mobilizeforhealthcare.org.

    • 2 years ago
  • CalPerr
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      CalPerr  
    • JonRaymond:

      I cant legally drive without insurance in my state. I know my claim will be denied but I have to pay or I will lose my license. If I lose my license I lose my job. You can proably guess what happens after that.

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • JonRaymond:

      JonRaymond, Your proposal to resist and refuse to support US insurance companies and other financial overlords is exactly the right response. As CalPer wrote, many are legally bound to carry auto collision insurance, but one can cover oneself in the case of health insurance, and be better economically for it.
      There have been many times in the past when affinity groups such as farmers or tradesmen formed their own collective insurance companies. Perhaps some still exist, but more likely they were legislated out of existence, or pushed out, by the power of the larger and now essentially monopolistic insurance agencies. If I understood this correctly, I heard yesterday that more than 90% of the health insurance policies in Montana are with one single company. Many other states have similar mega-insurance company hegemony, which is apparently supported by legislation of some kind. The lobbying power of insurance companies is enormous, but if enough informed people dropped out and searched for alternatives there would be a profound change in the massively abusive insurance system we now have. If you, or someone else in this forum, could help identify any alternatives that still exist in insurance, or propose specific legal actions against the insurance monopolies, perhaps on a state by state basis, that would be a great and welcome contribution.

    • 2 years ago
  • nodonjuan
  • dv627univ
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      dv627univ  
    • I guess we can all be thankful for what we have and give to those who have not, i took in a friend a yr. ago and stopped him from living on the street corner. If it weren't for church and family i would probably be there also......

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • Some of us have worked toward independence from what was clearly a toxic system, and probably a toxic culture as well, for years, and achieved that. When I see the extent of the unfolding economic disaster I am frightened for the impact of all those going under now with no support system. We are a country blessed with amazing storehouse of resources, yet we've been collectively destroying it, and it's potential to provide equitably for us, with every day of lives.
      The delusion of unlimited greed in half of our schizophrenic culture is finally colliding with the delusion that we can magically redress all our endless hungers and sins by suddenly sharing our common irrepressible wonderfulness.
      Not so, in either case, in my experience.
      It will be an interesting ride. Our great condolence is that we will have ring-side seats for the show.

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  
    • Its not shocking that americans are rapidly becoming poorer, rather what really shocks and sickens me is that some are finally realizing it. I think about what should be done and the easy answer is revolution.

      However the call for a revolution is a foolish one though, the government is in the biz of killing so no angry militia would do the trick. No what I suggest is instead of playing their game, we simply don't. Ignore their workdays, industries, their black fridays, tv shows, shopping sprees, fashion shows and products, band together get land and bring the best minds together to make a better nation and later planet. Those who benefit from our misery need us to keep them floating, so lets simply stop. It wouldnt be easy, but nothing worth doing ever is. So like I said skip revolution and aim for an evolution.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • galwayman
  • tommic
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      tommic  
    • they say you want a revolution
      we all want to change the world

      well maybe its time to start a peaceful revolution
      itis certainly time for us to amass a rally in Washington DC
      We need a couple of million to show up to revolt against big business and the stranglehold they have over Congress

      I can assure everyone if we can start a rally and a couple of million show up
      change will happen
      we ended the vietnam war this way
      nothing scares the hell out of politicians like masses of people outside the capital
      presidents day in february would be agood day to shoot for
      anyone game?

      tommic

    • 2 years ago
  • CalPerr
  • WisconsinNorm
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      WisconsinNorm  
    • tommic:

      The "catch-all" concept of revolting "against the rich" needs some clarification for me. I might want to shoot a bureaucrat while someone else would want to shoot a teacher. You mentioned a "peaceful" revolution. No shooting allowed.
      What is your greatest beef? The corner Walgreens? Don't they retail enough generic alternatives? The supermarket? Are you mad at the farmer or the overhead the facility must pay and consequently retail food for more than the farmer/manufacturer can produce it for?
      Is it just the cost of being careful? You can't speed-a ticket. You can't drink-a DUI. You can't hit a jerk-you go to jail...Everywhere you turn-an attorney.
      Insurance woes? Too much tax taken out of your paycheck?
      Believe me I am vexed as well, but living on less hurts people as well. People who produce the goods, run the gas stations and quick marts, man the hospitals...
      If you think taking everything the rich have and redistributing it will somehow "equilibrate" our economy into some sort of Utopia, I need FACTS, not theory.
      The first fact I would like is local. If it can't be accomplished on a local level, don't play with it on the national. Basically, you are saying everybody in my city makes a total income of---? It comes from the following sources-- It should be distributed thusly...If you don't have a specific plan, don't start a war.

    • 2 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • tommic:

      Bankers, lobbyists, big-time stockholders, loan-sharks and CEO's.

      Are those people "winners" and "producers?"

      Did the person who came up with derivatives "earn" their money? They're all big time con-men, they're just a lot investment into the national discourse to make sure they're not called that.

      No one is asserting that wiping them out would end poverty.

      But if you don't think this country has BEEN impoverished by them, you need to take a closer look at what they've been able to lobby our government into over the past 30 years. Or even the last 150.

    • 2 years ago
  • Dpm
  • artemis6
  • CalPerr
  • galwayman
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      galwayman  
    • do something well we have allowed the rich elite minority to run this country for far too long! do you think they care? while this country gives its resources away to other countries,all part of a failed foriegn policy,while americans are staving and homeless! the cost of living skyrockets and most people have no safety net! greddy landlords are allowed to raise rents to the point where even working families can't afford a place to live. this country has lost its moral fiber! it must be AMERICANS first! not one dime of aid to other countries until every american has a home to live in,food to eat,and a decent job! close our boarders and let in no more people from other countries! americans should be helping each other not screw people for greed! lastly kick out the rich elite from power and return government to the majority and cap rents nationally! saw an add the other day for a studio for 4000 dollars! this landlord should be tried as a criminal! it is time that we,the majority,rise up and cast off the chains of greed and apathy and kick the scumbags out and prosecute those who would unjustly profit from the misery of the majority!

    • 2 years ago
  • WisconsinNorm
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      WisconsinNorm  
    • galwayman:

      I built a mall. Now you would think I was rolling in dough, wouldn't you? This is not the case. Complete occupancy is required to pay the mortgage. So why did I build a mall? In the hopes of selling it someday for more than you owe on it to take the sting out of retirement...So it was supposed to go.
      At present, the value of the mall has gone down. Tenants have left forcing other incomes to pay off this monthly mortgage. All I asked of the municipality where this mall is located was to reduce the taxes to be proportionate with the space presently rented. They said "impossible" because the space formerly occupied by the tenant was improved, subsequently, the value of the property is increased.
      I asked them, if I removed the improvement, would you then lower my taxes? They said Yes.
      The improvement within this space cost $20,000.00. If I destroyed this investment, my taxes would be $5,000.00 per year less.
      I looked the tax assessor in the eye and was "almost" speechless..."So, you expect me to invest in the destruction of property to lower my taxes only to reinvest should another tenant come around, whereby you will again raise my taxes...is that my understanding?"
      "Yes" his answer again.
      I will deal with this later.

    • 2 years ago
  • Logos51891
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  • dabne
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      dabne  
    • People need to start living on less and working harder.

      Capitalism was never meant to make everybody middle class, just those who earned it.

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • dabne:

      Americans have steadily increased their hours at work since the 1970's while their pay has remained in almost all basic sectors, completely stagnant, while living costs have more than quadrupled. Americans have fewer days off than any other major western nation. Both parents in families in America now typically work, if they can find work. As the cost of health care, housing and services has climbed, they have only fallen further behind into greater and greater debt. In MHO, that's not because they couldn't put off the purchase of a wide screen TV. In the last two decades they were sold the idea they could use their home as a bank of last resort and now they are losing their homes in record numbers. No, Dabne, I don't think it's laziness that besets the American family.
      If you are fortunately well off, good for you, but it would be a churlish mistake to accuse more than half of the population of America as being lazy. It may make you feel a totally false sense of superiority, but it's just plain wrong.

    • 2 years ago
  • pennyharford
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      pennyharford  
    • dabne:

      I USED to be middle class, until my husband left me with 3 kids to raise. By 2007 I had 3 jobs, 1 full time ,and 2 part-time. Just barely enough to make ends meet. I was laid off 1 part-time job (after 6 years) in Dec. '07 and the other in Jan '09 because I was making more than minimum wage. I will be losing my full time job @ the end of Dec. because economy is so slow here (I work retail). I have a college degree and many skills, but work will be hard to find because I am over 50. Will probably go back to substitute teaching that is part-time @ best.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • dabne:

      Do not feel alone . Some of the single mothers i know are trying to rent a house together , to save on childcare among other things . Good luck , my sister . I do not know were I would be without my friends .

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • CalPerr
  • kingfugazi
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      kingfugazi  
    • I agree with FishaHouse777. And unless we make fundamental changes to America's society it will just be another 70 year cycle. We need to make a society that prizes ALL human life, even above our own. We owe that to humanity.... and we are all humanity.

    • 2 years ago
  • emilio
  • FishaHouse777
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • FishaHouse777:

      It's interesting that the media works hard to cover these facts. We see the political debates but we never see the real America, as if the only life worthy of mention is that on either Wall Street or inside the beltway. This is the mark of a third world country.

    • 2 years ago
  • CalPerr
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      CalPerr  
    • FishaHouse777:

      Kids in L.A. exhibit more PTSD than kids in Baghdad. Not sure if that is still true but the poll was taken during the war. However if I had to guess it would probably be a even greater divide now due to the amount of outside aid in each community.

    • 2 years ago
  • FishaHouse777
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      FishaHouse777  
    • FishaHouse777:

      I think the reason for the higher PTSD in LA than Baghdad is because kids in the middle east are more prone to violence and poverty than kids in the US, so when something horrible happens in LA it's alot more shocking. Also I think the kids in LA probably have depression from the economy but not PTSD, which is something you get from being in a war or rape.

    • 2 years ago
  • eden49
  • JonRaymond
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      JonRaymond  
    • The President has said that the health care insurance industry is 1/6 of our economy. Which 1/6 would that be? Because 1% of the population owns more wealth than 95%. So isn't that 1/6 of the economy in the 1% part of the population (his friends) on Wall Street and inside the beltway? The 95% can do just fine without the health insurance industry which makes money on their health care and medical debt.

      So the argument that we can't have a universal health care system due to it being 1/6 of the economy is questionable. ... more

    • 2 years ago
  • ampersand
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      ampersand  
    • Jonathan Swift recognized the same conditions in Dublin in the mid-1700's. It seems his modest proposal to reduce social pressure by eating the babies of the poor was only just a bit premature.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • JulianCommongold
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      JulianCommongold  
    • Even when the economy was rock solid and profitable, it could not support the total population of this country for an indefinite period of time.
      307,743,525 humans, and counting that need sustenance of some kind......
      Mathematically it is only going to get worse.
      How do you fix the numbers?
      Soylent Green?

    • 2 years ago
  • clayjj05
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  
    • clayjj05:

      Wow thats a very narrow view of the working class. You really think that people in poverty have those things. I guess people join gangs because their bored of playing Halo all day right? Your ignorance is astounding.

    • 2 years ago
  • WisconsinNorm
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      WisconsinNorm  
    • clayjj05:

      Fortunately for both you and I, we don't live in Somalia. We also probably have a home where a 42 inch plasma screen could hang, but this is not the case for everyone. It is easy to say the fault lies with the individual, it is easy to say the fault lies with society. I don't care and neither should you. No one in America should be hungry and they shouldn't have to steal to feed their family or themselves.
      I live in a community of 35,000. To the best of my knowledge, three pantries are available to feed ANYBODY that walks through that door. I hope the same is true where you live.

    • 2 years ago
  • worldbefree
  • CalPerr
  • Timmyeatworld
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      Timmyeatworld  
    • As I don't live in the country I really look forward to see how this all plays out in the next twenty years. God save our souls, it's gonna be hell'a crazy.

    • 2 years ago
  • WisconsinNorm
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      WisconsinNorm  
    • I read a section in our local newspaper about how things were yesteryear...100 years ago today potatoes sold for 50 cents a bushel. How much do they cost to grow today? How hard is it to grow a potato? How hard could it be to provide affordable food for everybody? I bet food "costs less" today than it did 100 years ago. Amazing. Give money to your local food pantry or to charities that provide this service at the "grass roots" level. They almost cry if you give just 30 bucks a year.

    • 2 years ago
  • lifestudentno83
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      lifestudentno83  
    • Somewhere, somehow, a person is blaming this on Obama.

      Because Americans didn't have this problem with poverty until they elected a black man to manage the money, allegedly.

      [Obvious Sarcasm.]

      What, do they think he spent all the money on "Rims"?

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • tangibleparadox
  • akamaial
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      akamaial [removed]  
    • lifestudentno83:

      B.O. (plenty) did not create the collapse of the economy, but He and the demoncrats sure as hell have exacebated the problem with TARP....shucks, it doesn't take much thought to recognize that when in dire financial straits, borrowing money from the future to pay for the present is ignorance gone to seed.

      "Rims?" -- hardly, it was used for pay-off to SIEU, ACORN, AIG, GOLDMAN SACHS, & BANKSTERS, et al - - look at all the freaking crooks that were part and parcel to the economy melt-down and are now "economic" and "policy" advisors within B.O.'s (pee-yew) administration who now are free riding on the backs of the innocent taxpayers...she-it man, get a clue.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • artemis6:

      IN my neighborhood , I myself have been unemployed for 2 years . I have a job offer , in another state , if I can get the father of my child to allow me to go . I am out of credit and out of time . There are simply no jobs I can do in this sparsely populated area . At this point , I am selling stuff . I am at a loss , I have never been in such a state like these last two years . Something had always come though . Please , forgive the dismal perception . Oh , and I do not get TV , nor cell phone , nor anything superfluous . I am frugal to a nearly unhealthy level .

    • 2 years ago
  • derk
  • ascensiontattoo
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Don't deflect this shit with modern partisan BS paratus and john. In case you have a shitty concept of time, this all happened prior to him even being elected.

      This is about the creation of a corporate aristocracy.

      A project brought to fruition by the cult of the Reaganites, of whom Bush and Cheney were fervent members.

    • 2 years ago
  • fun_size
  • CalPerr
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      CalPerr  
    • Saladin:

      Lets all yell about which guys party has prettier colors while they steal our retirement funds. Then, we can yell about who's fault it was while they drain our bank accounts.

    • 2 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  
    • Saladin:

      Saladin,

      John and Paratus are as predicable as a morning bowel movement...and their opinions have as much value. More to the point, however, can you imagine the crushing poverty that would be gripping the nation if Maverick and Rogue had been elected? Their idea of stimulus was exactly the same as Bush's: tax relief for millionaires.

    • 2 years ago
  • masterzip
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      masterzip  
    • New report does not use government standard math equation written in 1955...
      That measure, created in 1955, does not factor in rising medical care, transportation, child care or geographical variations in living costs. Nor does it consider non-cash government aid when calculating income.

      Only in America......

    • 2 years ago
  • MrMaven
  • Paratus
  • Incredulous
  • JohnA
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