The article said this is one guys opinion. The Secret Service hasn't said this.
This is crazy. American's DO respect the office of the President of the USA, and would do so to the current President and his family.
The comment is off the wall. The Secret Service always secures an area before the President or his family attend any event.
I hope they go to NC and prove Clyburn wrong. Such fear spreading has to stop. Be realistic, if someone is found a threat they will be detained and charged before the entourage arrives.
Your right master_cammy
It was only 50yrs ago that segregation was ended,so some of those good ole racist values are still around. Once people realize its about GOD & d_evils ,good vs evil and not color,religion or political view.
Its funny you bring up segregation as if it was only a southern phenomenon when in fact it wasn't. Here's a fun fact for you; at this time the most segregated city in all of the US is Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
It makes us look like buffoons, racists and backwater morons.
A loudmouthed minority of Neanderthals and sore losers have so poisoned the national discourse with their racist rantings, crude jokes and veiled threats that they have sullied South Carolina's reputation more than any governor, congressman or senator could ever imagine.
Well i am glad he said it and not me because i probably would have gotten flamed for it :) In all seriousness though i think that she should just go there anyways to show them that she is not afraid. Beside most racist people are cowardly and that is why they hide behind their insecurities. There may be a lot of talk but i don't think anyone in SC has the minerals to act on their prejudice.
Sen. Inhoff is South Carolina's Sen., and this scumbag is 1 of 30 who voted to allow Halliburton or any other Govt. contractor to allow the RAPE of their employees with no legal recourse. Maybe her womanhood is in danger. South Carolinas state motto should be " SOUTH CAROLINA IS FOR COW FUCKERS " see current events. Ha Ha Ha Republican assholes
If you remember back to the campaign wherever the mooseburger was , she stirred up a frenzy of hatred among the small minded. I still remember the look in that ladys face from PA. Neither the Mooseburger nor McCain have done anything since the election to stop the hartred that they started. Listen to the hatred from CNN and Fox Noise and the republican party. Shame on us for allowing it to continue.
im not suprised america at least the south part is very racist. And when you consider obama is like JFK, Abraham Lincoln someone who wants to change things for the better of america. And someone that other countries can respect and talk to unlike the last president its not suprising rightwing klu klux klan republican nutjobs would try and kill his wife in order to push him in a bush direction.
She can come to SC she just needs to stay in charleston and not go anywhere else, maybe colombia. all the rednecks tend not to dwell downtown so she should be safe. Have you seen people that live there? It's hipsters, college kids, artists, rich people, young adults, and low income minorities. Thats practicly the obama's demographic.
More proof that the Secret Service has reasons to be concerned about the President's well being in general. The agency is split thin between 32 people (about that) and more death threats then ever before are directed at the President.
The latest one resulted in the arrest of a man who via email threatened to kill Obama's children and wife in front of him and then Obama himself.
I agree that the threat level is high and that the crazies may come out of the woodwork. The threat is real. However, this article does not demonstrate that the Secret Service has determined anything about South Carolina.
I live in the deep south and truth is that there are many RW crazies who own too many guns and are totally crazy.
It was in Texas that JFK was murdered. The South is full of skin heads who own assult weapons. It was in Texas where the FBI caught KRAR, potential RW terrorist, who was stockpiling poisen gas.
It's also where Bull Conners turned dogs and water cannons on women and children in a peaceful march, Where the 101st airborn soldiers had to escort children to school, and MLK was assassinated, I could go on but we all know just how 'civil" those good folks in the south are John.
This is obviously false, because racism no longer exists in America. That's why Republican pundits(you know the one, name rhymes with Hen Peck) called Obama a racist for talking about racism in America. That's exactly what were NOT allowed to do. Talking about race in America only INCITES RACISM.
If you ignore it, only blurt out racial slurs over the anonymous internet, or covertly discriminate against others for the color of their skin and no one finds out, then you too will see the color-blindness that is Americana. Offering an open discourse about race in America is counter-productive. QUIT ROCKING THE BOAT, BARACK AND MICHELLE! Be grateful that some black people have the opportunity to be middle class citizens(until that tax bracket disappears)!
When I graduate college and make 25% less than my white counterparts, I will get on my knees and thank my boss everyday he would even consider using me to fill the affirmative action quota. Why shouldn't I? For all I know, he could have hired a Latino! Michelle Obama, be grateful that South Carolina cares about your safety so much that they don't want you there. I'm sure it has nothing to do with racism, they probably just have a lot of people who don't like you very much down there. Terrorists, perhaps...
maybe they just don't like her hair..or maybe her clothes. or maybe ...just maybe it's because they never in their miserable lives thought that they would have a black woman above them...love your sarcasm by the way heh heh
Yes, it is full of totally crazy people who are so propagandized by the RW that they think that at any moment Obama is going to establilsh a dictatorship, and they are being primed for violence by the RW.
They are priming the already crazy south, the south that left the union and caused the Civil War, for more violence.
Clyburn's quote of "It's not always our decision to make" doesn't exactly say that its due to security concerns, there could be many other factors like schedules or budget reasons.
That being said I experience the "fine state" of South Carolina every day and have for the past 3 years. It is disgusting out here. Racism is so ingrained in everyone's lives that the vast majority of people here don't even realize when they're being blatant about it.
That particular university is in one of the "liberal" areas of the state actually and yet pre-civil rights attitudes still reign supreme. What else would you expect from the state that houses the prestigious Bob Jones University? Practically every store across the state displays Fox News during all business hours. Or even more telling, the state capitol STILL FLIES THE CONFEDERATE FLAG (same town)!
Come on down to Charleston girl. Bansheewail's gotcher back.
For the most part, these loud mouth, red birds are really scared little babies when you get in their face. In mass, They shout you down when there are 100's of them in a herd.It's the "lone nuts" that worry me. Their ignorance makes them dangerous. Their fear makes the motivated. The fact that SC has the highest unemployment rate in the nation makes them desparate. The lies that Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh spew make them think they are defending America, their guns, freedom, etc. It is a dangerous place for her, no doubt. Anyone that thinks differently, doesn't live here. I have one Sheppard Fairey(a Charlestonian) Obama sticker on my Volvo wagon and lately I've been pulled over numerous times, fliped-off lots, cussed at in traffic, had my car "keyed" and been given many, many dirty looks. And I'm a 250 lb. white guy. The rednecks here are riled-up enough to mess with me. The hate vibe is the worst I've ever seen anywhere, anytime in the South. The misinformation that has been cultivated and propagated by Fox News and the like will end up costing people their lives before this is all said and done. If we could just stick to the debating issues and pondering the facts instead of sensationalist info-tainment masquerading as news, we'd be able to move forward together as a Nation.
Clay you say you've never seen a liberal in a fight? I guess you have never attended a school where african Americans attend, or watched a prize fight on HBO or pay per view. Just in case you haven't noticed, there are damn few brothers that are Republicans...and if you've got the stones big enough try taking a walk through south central L.A. carrying a confederate flag...I promise you, you'll get all the fighting you can handle from Democrats there.
I seriously doubt that racism can be a reason for this. If racism has increased during the Kenyans reign it is all his fault and the fault of the divisive liberals in his administration and throughout his party. When will people who pen these articles realize that people don't like the Kenyan because of his policies, not his color.
South Carolina is a fine state and the people are great. I think I will visit there soon. If the Obama entourage wants to stay away then fine with me. Sounds like they are more than just a little paranoid.
Certainly there are plenty of people who don't like Obama because of his policies and not because of his race.
You, on the other hand, ARE a racist and obviously have a problem with his race judging by the fact that you refer to him as "the Kenyan" (which means you apparently believe in that racist birther moonbat nonsense). It's people like you that are one of the big reasons why the Republicans lost last year.
"Clyburn quoted Valerie Jarrett, adviser to the president and a friend of the Obamas, as saying, 'It's not always our decision to make.' The implication is that the Secret Service has concerns about the state. A lot of it, Clyburn said, has to do with the climate in South Carolina."
Though the title might be inflamatory, there obviously is some truth to it. Valerie Jarret is a top Amin. offical, and if she was quoted correctly, then obviously the Secret Service has reservations.
That's a stretch at best. You can imply from that bit of heresay anything you want. If I get the implication Mrs. Obama was trying to get out of going to attend another function, it is just as valid as Congressman Clyburn's.
"Secret Service Determines......" That is the headline and aside from the snippet you selected from the article, there is no mention of the Secret Service. This article in no way demonstrates that the Secret Service determined anything. Truth!
This article is an absolute joke. It’s like a poor copycat of President Carter’s latest flub. Besides the obvious contention of trying to combat perceived or imagined bigotry by being a bigot, the idea that the Secret Service deemed South Carolina too dangerous is retarded.
Anyone remember the DNC and the RNC? Remember the whole stink about the unprecedented level of security at both conventions? Now you want to tell me the wife of the President is unable to attend a college function? GTFO of here with this nonsense.
I swear it’s hilarious how bigots come up with their infallible opinion of the world, apply it to reality and then present their work as if it’s worth something.
You know what Doug, you are right. I used the wrong term deliberately to try to show that Neo was painting with the same brush he finds so offensive. Inflammatory is a better, more accurate term. But, it would not convey the same thing.
As far as your other statement I wholeheartedly agree. I and others can challenge our beliefs only when we put our defensiveness aside.
Congressman Clyburn obviously has a political agenda. If the Secret Service is fine with the Obamas going to Iraq, Russia, and Saudi Arabia, I have no doubt they can keep them safe in South Carolina. The story is ridiculous on it's face.
Thank you so much! Ignoring someone's comments is so much easier than understanding them and debating the point if you disagree. On this one you are disagreeing with what exactly? The fact that the article does not do what Neo says it does? Oh, no just the fact that it was I who raised the point.
The irony is that if you just read my curricula vitae you would really identify with me. As Bob said, none but ourselves can free our minds.
Sam usually has good takes on articles. I don't always agree with him but he does raise important points. I'm not telling you not to ignore him I'm just trying to say he's not just posting to piss people off.
"good" may be a strong word. "strong" might be better. He will fairly reliably stand to the right or far right on most issues. For this reason I find the quality of his argument usually hangs more on that of the stance of the party than on his abilities per se.
Ever since the right more or less abandoned logic and reason after the election it's become pretty hard to staunchly defend their view and not come off as at least something of a nut. It is possible to be conservative and sane, we just aren't seeing much of it at the moment from the leadership. This may change once the party gets their ducks back in a row.
If I am so right wing, how do you account for my stance on gay issues, pot legalization, single payer, ending the wars, equitable taxation, ending the excesses of the Bush administration, etc? You can't. They don't fit into neat little stereotypes about left and right or Dem and Repub. When you are as old as I am, you have been let down by both parties numerous times enough to no that there is not much difference in their reality, only in their rhetoric. Rhetoric is air.
I get nailed from the right for pointing out the abuses of the Repubs. I get nailed from the left for pointing out the abuses of the Dems. Perhaps it is time for us all to realize that this current two party system is a cycle. I do not want a libertarian movement. I want a People's Party ala 1892.
>"If I am so right wing, how do you account for my stance on gay issues, pot legalization, single payer, ending the wars, equitable taxation, ending the excesses of the Bush administration, etc? You can't. "<
Can, actually. First of all I said most. As for the bush administration, pot, and gay issues, These all remain potentially right wing points, just not ones the religious right likes. Everyone is hammering the Bush administration these days so that means little. I agree with several f them personally. Not all right wing stances are by definition bad or necessarily disagree with the left. As for equitable taxation I don't even know what that means. It could be anything. Single payer, yes. Definitely not a right wing plank.
As for the whole getting hit by both the right and left I am familiar with that one myself.
There is a Chinese proverb which states that a man standing in the middle of the road gets hit by traffic traveling in both directions.
personally I find it entertaining that even though we both have this problem we agree on so very little here.
The article is based totally on statements made by Congressman Clyburn, the same Congressman Clyburn who stabbed his good friend Bill Clinton in the back to further Barack Obama's nomination, so take it with a grain of salt. Not one Secret Service source is named.
From it one can tell that as an assessment of security level, it is just an opinion and not one that everyone there agrees with.
As for the actual quote:
"COLUMBIA — U.S. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said Friday that a conversation with White House staff left him with the sense that a hostile environment in South Carolina is keeping the first lady from visiting."
This doesn't sound like he is making anything up even though as a reiteration of a private conversation there is no way to check it. A confirmation or denial may or may not appear from the White House.
"Even if they are overreacting, or if Clyburn is overstating the case, it's embarrassing. If security professionals, who apparently have reservations, actually believe it is too dangerous for the first family to visit a U.S. state, then we have dropped below the status of a Third World country. It makes us look like buffoons, racists and backwater morons."
Based on some of the defensive comments he's getting I think he hit a nerve!