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Stop CitiBank/ Close your accounts

twodee
Did you get this letter too? Open ALL of your mail from banks and credit cards and read it! If you can, Close your credit accounts. Stop handing the banks their blood money.
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69 comments // Stop CitiBank/ Close your accounts // Video

  • twodee
  • Incredulous
  • twodee
    • 0
      twodee  
    • cause i make money as a tax paying citizen of the United States and I cannot legally hide that money like the corporations do.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • twodee:

      you really are a stupid person thowman. Did you not see that I did write the check to YOU the American People and that I have set up payments with YOU the American people to pay my taxes? I pay 25% of what I make to YOU the American people. If I was the corporation that you so desperately refuse to challenge I would pay YOu the American people peanuts. I do my part and always have.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      but the check bounced... so you didn't plan properly, your own fault.

      i pay taxes just like you claim to do, but my check never bounces. it's pretty black and white.

      I don't think corporations should be able to offshore their profits, but it's legal. i've called my senators/reps as well as voted for obama under the impression that they would change the current tax loopholes. i'm still calling them to urge them to follow through. you know nothing of my politics, why do you keep assuming you do?

      and I'm not the American Public, we all are.

    • 2 years ago
  • molly811
  • twodee
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • ...when you see interest hikes at the level we are seeing and health insurance rates pop up the way we are seeing you can bet the big corporations (who's ONLY purpose is to make money) are in a free fall panic to rape the drones for every last penny they have before they have no pennies.

      ...but what is that in the news...

      "the economy is getting better"
      "the stock market goes up"

      OH, the drones are so easily distracted. Just keep them busy gathering honey for the queen. They eventually die and there will be others to do the work for us.

      shut up and get the honey. don't ask us what we do with it. don't ask us if you can keep some for yourself. Just get the honey. get it.. go get it.... you broke ass drones. get it.

    • 2 years ago
  • molly811
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • molly811:

      You are very ignorant. Lots of people write $10K checks to the IRS. I am an accountant and many of my clients write checks to the IRS for much more than 10K. Silly you.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • molly811:

      how many of those checks bounce? i'm sure that what molly is pointing out is not that she owed money to the IRS, but rather that the check she sent them bounced.

      if you couldn't see that, i'm afraid it is you who are the ignorant one.

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • Hi Molly. Lost of people use credit card checks and credit line checks. Maybe you are referring to the 10K check I wrote to the IRS that bounced because the CREDIT LINE on an investment property closed without warning/without fault in any way of my own? Me Broke? No, me not broke. Just a little tight on money. Instead of paying what is due on my taxes I had to set up payment plans for 5 years. That is tax money that could help pay for things we all need here the USA ....but NO.... The government wont get my money because they BANKS are shutting down access to "stand by funds" that I carefully put in place because the mortgage industry (my job) has tanked and I have lost that reliable income. So, it goes like this ...The government and Banks are simultaneously trying to force out the mortgage brokers (due to deregulation of the industry) while they blame the whole industry on the few bad seeds THEY allowed to take advantage of the system which will eventually leave all of YOU Americans with NO PLACE to go for loans in the future other than the few remaining banks. And I think we all know how that is going to turn out. The definition of TOO BIG to fail these days is not even close to how bad that is going to look in the future. IF you are trying to refinance your house or get a loan these days you have a hint of what this is looking like. If you work in the industry and see what is ACTUALLY happening, the future is far more of a cluster fuck than what anyone is talking about in the media. But don't take my word for it. Wait and see. This country has not seen BROKE yet. It is coming.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      you owed the IRS $10K?! that is what inspired this video? that makes you no different than citibank. you tried to rob We the People of $10K and Citi robbed us of billions.

      you have no one to blame but yourself.

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
  • tbowman131
  • molly811
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • molly811:

      Lots of people do. Many credit card companies provide their cardholders with "convenience checks".

      For example: Capitol One, Chase, Bank of America, Citi, Discover, and many, many others.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • molly811:

      only the financially illiterate would write a check off of credit card. the interest rates are sky high...

      and just because something is offered, doesn't mean it's responsible to use it

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Do you not have "reloadable" credit cards in the US? Credit cards to which you "feed" money, from which you cannot over-spend, which do not run up a credit? With such cards, you put in only the amount of money you want, the amount you know you'll need next, even for travels - there now are special "Travel Cards" on that same principle, they replace travelers' cheques and offer the same guarantee as traveler's cheques.

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • if you are "sick of whining" , then leave the conversation to which you are no help. again - we the people did not make the rules- CONGRESS DID. why do you think i told people to call their congress person.? i know EXACTLY how my Congressperson voted and will cast my next vote accordingly. i made my voice heard BEFORE the vote on this bailout. and as it turns out, there was no accountability in the final bill.it does not change the fact that the banks received our tax dollars and are crapping on them while they rake it in. our democracy demands that we speak up when we see a wrong and THAT is what i am doing- not whining sir. it IS mature and responsible and required that we speak up and deal and participate in our democracy. THAT is what i am doing. whining no= participating yes. unique- where did you get THAT from? no i am not unique. i am well aware of the many who are suffering at the hands of this obscenity in the banking industry. this was a warning to those who may not have seen it coming and a call to action to participate. what are YOU doing?sounds alot like whining to me. somehow it always comes back to you and how you are handling it- as if we all need to behave like you. if you do not want to participate and speak out , stop calling names ( like "whiners" or "complainers") and pay Citibank or whomever you choose whatever they demand. me, i choose to do something- an action very different from complaining. i choose not to be a sheeple.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      the difference is that I know when a battle is pointless and when it isn't. yelling at the banks for charging too much is like yelling at the rain for getting you wet...

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      now who's doing the name calling?

      if not wanting to hear you complain is selfish, then call me selfish.

      if disagreeing with you makes me an idiot, call me an idiot.

      unfortunately, you can call me whatever you want but it won't change the fact that, short of moving your money to a credit union, you are powerless against banks that are "too big to fail."

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • twodee:

      I am doing the name calling. I am calling you are a selfish idiot. Not because you do not agree with me. Because you don't give a shit about anyone but yourself. I feel FAR FROM powerless. You are an idiot for choosing to do whatever the banks ask of you. You are an idiot for handing all of your rights over to corporate control. You are an idiot for walking lockstep with those who tell you to do so. You are an idiot for not realizing that what you have is because people that have less or NO rights fight for those rights. For example, your wife can vote because women fought for that. But you are an idiot. You would rather those women gave up because the "battle was not worth having." You are an idiot because you would rather we still have slavery because the people who had no rights as people insisted on having rights. I could keep listing all of the reasons why you are an idiot . But I am wasting my time talking to an idiot.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      now i'm for slavery and the end of womans sufferage? you need to go back on your meds, asap.

      you know nothing about me, which makes this even funnier.

      i get my insurance through the largest non-profit co-op in the nation. i support numerous charities and have been a member of the ACLU for years.

      i agree with everything you are trying to accomplish, i just disagree with your means of achieving them. i've closed my bank of america acct and sold all of my shares of any bank involved in the bailout. you claim i just accept what the banks are doing? bank of america they hit me with $245 in overdraft fees (because of the timing of my job transition) so i called the customer service desk and they refunded $200 of it. you have more power than you think if you just call and ask.

      battles against the government are always worth fighting, but political battles against corporations are pointless.

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      so i tell you that i don't do business with corporations as much as possible and you say they have me wrapped around their little finger?

      did you even read what i wrote?

      even if your campaign to start a run on citibank worked, all you would succeed in doing would be to make the FDIC pick up the tab. the government is a majority owner in the bank and you want it to fail?

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • no assumption bout your shoes- just your lack of empathy and knowledge about anyone but yourself.just FYI, my credit is perfect and i do not live beyond my means. of course the word "means" is questionable -if you could crawl out from under the rock from which you currently seem to live, you would know that "means" is attached to work and that may or may not be available to many who are losing their job or are among the underemployed. WHINING? what is wrong with you? really, i mean it, what is wrong with you?

      BTW, it was not WE THE PEOPLE- it was Congress who made the rules. and if you listen to my rant i told everyone to take their money out - THAT WAS MY POINT.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      no assumptions eh? you claim i have no empathy, but you are again making assumptions. i was unemployed for 4 months this year and when i did find a job, it was at a 40% pay cut. it took me so long to find a job that my wife and i had to move into an apartment that was half the size and less convenient. so, do you still think that i don't empathize with your financial struggles?

      its about accepting the cards you are dealt in a mature, reasonable way. we are all making sacrifices in this economy, so you aren't unique. all i want is for people to stop wining about their situation and make the difficult decisions in the privacy of their own home.

      and i'm not sure if you know this or not, but Congress IS part of We the People. you should know that. if your congressperson voted for the bailouts, vote them out of office and replace them with a progressive.

      so yes, i stand by my claims that people are wining and no, there is nothing wrong with me. i'm just tired of all the complaining.

    • 2 years ago
  • Nephwrack
  • jubal
  • twodee
  • Incredulous
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      Incredulous  
    • twodee:

      don't feed the troll? I have news for you Nephwrack...twodee was a respected member of this site long before you even knew it existed, and NOBODY here thinks of twodee as a troll, except maybe the actual trolls who are frequently in identity crisis anyway.

      as for tbowman131, there is a huge difference between whining and advocating, and if you don't like what people are saying on this site, quit whining about it and get off.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • look- people have personal responsibility- but they will not be able to pay off the debt with an interest rate of 30% . what about those who were paying down their debt by making double payments every month and now the whole thing only goes to the interest?? it is narrow to think of you as the only measure of how life works. you are NOT. there are many who need their credit card to travel and run their business. I personally know several people who cannot get small biz loans- people who have had their biz for 25 years- and the banks will not lend. so they need to operate on their card AS a small biz loan- these same banks mind you, who GOT A BAILOUT! what advice do you have to offer to them? get another job? in this market? and what about their one or two employees? the repercussions of this are enormous. but you have to think outside your own box. 30% is highway robbery. and claiming that people need to "take personal responsibility " is to not know what it is to walk in another's shoes.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • twodee:

      you are making assumption about my shoes twodee. i too have a high interest rate card and am paying it off instead of whining about how unfair it is that i can't pay my debts. minimum payments are so low that if you can't afford even the minimum payment, you must have lived WAY beyond your means to get to that point.

      yes the banks got bailed out but it was We the People who failed to but any legal restrictions on the money.

      if you don't like bank of america, jp morgan chase, citibank, or any other bailed out institution, then take your money elsewhere and stop whining like children who've had their toy taken away.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I wholeheartedly agree that we are being raped by the financiers. The exact same thing has happened to me, not by Citibank, but by Bank of America.

      O% rate for a year then they lowered my credit limit and raised my interest rate to 30%. They are just a evil as Citi.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • jubal:

      no, if they were evil, they would have RAISED your limit.

      you can't have it both ways. either it was "evil" to give credit to those who couldn't afford it or it's "evil" to take it away.

      i think they are finally acting responsibly by lowering peoples credit... as for the increase in interest rates, you can lower your costs of borrowing by paying back the money and not borrowing more... i agree that 30% is incredibly usurious, but it's not illegal (yet)

      at the end of the day, there has to be SOME personal responsibility.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jubal:

      Who said anything about having it "both ways"?

      I didn't.

      What is evil is taking bail out funds and then pulling these moves on people using the "economy problems" as justification to rape people.

      All of the funds I had owed to Bank of America were consolidated debt from other cards. I don't really care too much about the lowered credit limit, that is fine with me, but I have never paid late in my life on any credit card and I recently took out a loan on my house and paid all of them off, with the exception of the one that I use to run my business, which gets paid off on a quarterly basis.

      I take responsibility with all my finances. I am not some idiot dope who doesn't know how to use credit wisely. In my business credit is essential and I have done everything by the rules to have the highest credit score possible. You can't have a decent credit score unless you have credit cards from a major bank with several thousands of dollars in credit limit. Now you can't even keep that limit unless you regularly use it and pay it off.

      In this economy, most people can't do that because cash flow is so bad. I have people renting from me that can't pay their rent because they have lost their jobs, that puts me in a tight spot when I rely on the people paying promptly.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • jubal:

      then reserve your rage for the government that makes a 30% apr legal. Bernie Sanders has legislation before the senate right now that would limit interest at 15%

      until we make it illegal for banks to rob us, they will continue to do so.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • jubal:

      yes, it does negate it. you had 0% interest before the rate hike. so you basically took free money from them for however long you had the account open. now they want to charge you and that's unfair?

      ignorant

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jubal:

      WRONG< WRONG

      My original credit limit was $10,000. The 0% was for a one year period and the original interest rate on the card was going to be 9.99% after the year. I was never late and I always paid more than the minimum. Before the promotional period was over, they sent me a letter telling me that the interest rate was going to a variable rate and that once the promotional period was over, the interest rate would be 21.99%. That was a violation of the terms upon which i accepted the card in the first place. So I scrambled to borrow cheaper money from a private source to pay off that fucking card.

      After I paid off the card, they lowered my credit limit to $2000 and sent me a letter telling me that the interest rate was going up to 30%.

      I have every right to complain about what is clearly a scam by BofA to entice people to consolidate their debt on then jack up the rates so they can never pay off the card. If I didn't protect my credit like I do, I would not have had the opportunity to access the other sources of loans.

      Ping pong back to you, obviously you are ignorant to make so many assumptions about people you don't know.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • jubal:

      at what point did bank of america force you to accept the new terms (i.e. the rate increase to 21.99%)? you got a letter, as twodee mentions, saying that you could keep your current rate but close the account to new purchases. if you didn't want the variable rate, you didn't have to accept it. if you didn't read the fine print, it's your fault. it's not BoA scamming you.

      and what assumptions did i make? all i said was that you got money at 0%, which you did.

      and why do you need to borrow so much money? why don't you save first and use money that you have?

      at the end of the day, no one forced you to build up debt. and the fact that you were using promotional rates and then transferring the balance to new cards was you playing the system that is now playing you.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jubal:

      As I said before, obviously you don't own a small business. Debt is the way you make money. Its called capitalism using other peoples money to make money.

      I don't just run up debt for the hell of it or to live beyond my means. I own investment property and I need credit in order to fix up those properties. Before the housing bubble, my business was flipping homes.

      You don't know what you are talking about and you just proved my point that you do make an awful lot of assumptions. You are arrogant and this conversation is over. I don't have to justify myself to you or divulge my personal business to you to prove a point.

      Clearly you are here to be an obstructionist in this conversation, you are not here to find common ground.

    • 2 years ago
  • tbowman131
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      tbowman131  
    • jubal:

      you flipped houses?! thank you for doing your part to create the crisis we are in. i hope you go bankrupt.

      you just gave the perfect summary of what's wrong with capitalism: "Debt is the way you make money. Its called capitalism using other peoples money to make money."

      i thought capitalism was about competition and innovation, not using other peoples money to make money. no wonder our contry is broke...

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jubal:

      LOL thank you for crediting me with being the cause of our countries financial worries because of the business I am in. I am a general contractor. I buy houses that other people have fucked up and fix them so nicer people can move in them. I don't gouge people, I provide a service.

      What you said about Capitalism is the part that is trumpeted as the ideal of capitalism, but the reality is what I described, debt. What do you think that banks are doing with the bailout funds they got, using our money to make money. You fool. I am glad you are disappointed, perhaps you needed a wake up call to realize that capitalism is a pipe dream.

    • 2 years ago
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • good for you for demanding proof. it is real- - google it- it has been reported in news sources- since i made the video.the letter was scanned and sent to the media already- if you like i can do the same - it cannot be seen on a little tiny video. i know several other who have received"the letter" so far- if you did not yet- good for you. the point was to tell you to be sure to look for the letter as it does not come to you in your bill. this is not about me- it was warning people to look out.

    • 2 years ago
  • thematrix777
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      thematrix777  
    • I'm a little skeptical about this video and the so called letter.

      Why did'nt she show the letter?

      I don't especially like Citibank but I do have several accounts with them. I didn't get any "letter" like she talked about.

      Don't believe everything people say; find out for yourself.

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • Vierotchka
  • twodee
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      twodee  
    • Your right ismaelo. If everyone were as perfect as you this would not happen. I know VERY few people who can save enough money to put themselves through the educations system, raise a family, cover the costs of ( god forbid) anyone or more of their family having a medical condition or emergency, shelter and feed their family. ALL ON CASH. Good for the special people like you but the rest of us live in todays world.

    • 2 years ago
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  • twodee
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • twodee:

      Do you not have "reloadable" credit cards in the US? Credit cards to which you "feed" money, from which you cannot over-spend, which do not run up a credit? With such cards, you put in only the amount of money you want, the amount you know you'll need next, even for travels - there now are special "Travel Cards" on that same principle, they replace travelers' cheques and offer the same guarantee as traveler's cheques.

    • 2 years ago
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