GDP is a False Indicator
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If you look at these two indicators as of late 2008, assuming that a steady decrease in the GDP for two consecutive quarters indicated a recession as Bush defined it, you'll find that even then, despite the terrible state of the economy with it's massive foreclosures and record unemployment, the GDP did not yet indicate we were in a recession, or even a downturn. Looking at the GDP, we were steadily growing our economy at a healthy clip. Two things stand out for me in this distinction.
The GDP includes Crime as a indicator of economic growth (as explained in World Changing online magazine - http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007993.html).
The GDP includes war and defense spending and it's industries. The GPI includes neither of these. Without defense spending, along with a few much lesser expenses like crime, we see the real picture of the downturn our economy is taking while boosting the military laden GDP, shown in this chart from Redefining Progress a public think tank.
Crime is a growth industry as is war. But growth of who and what? Are these something we want to measure as indicators of growth in our country?
Redefining Progress (http://www.rprogress.org/sustainability_indicators/genuine_progress_indicator.ht...) notes that the GPI has been flat since the 70s. Some charts, like The Progress Report, show a downturn in the GDI.
So what does defense have to do with it?
Defense spending goes into weapons that are expendable. When we go to war we take massive stocks of equipment and basically throw them away, or blow them up. What production or constructive result comes out of war that benefits U.S. citizens? Nothing. Any of this equipment recovered after the war is pretty much beyond it's useful life. Time to order the new models. In fact, the defense industry is notorious for, not only overspending with inflated budgets, but also for having state of the art equipment. All of this expense is more or less for stuff we trash.
Read "The Three Trillion Dollar War" http://threetrilliondollarwar.com
Do something: http://stopwar.lafilmonline.com//?p=39
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asherp
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GDP only measures the number of times capital changes hands.
Wall Street is supposed to help the real economy as a lending institution to create venture capital.
Instead it's become a casino that's totally removed from reality. Just because wall street has recovered doesn't mean anything for actual businesses.
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asherp
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asherp
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Featured in Wall Street!
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asherp
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JonRaymond
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asherp:
cool
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JonRaymond
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ThoughtNu
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I figured out why the statistics don't make sense to the educated person. Whoever came to this conclusion that 'the 'recession is over', learned math from Costello
http://www.teachertube.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=3963&title=Abbot_and_Coste...
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ThoughtNu
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ThoughtNu
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Excellent post!
Show the people the real smoke and mirrors that are being used to claim prosperity (for a small group of businessmen)
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ThoughtNu
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metalcookiesxy70
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Then the declaration of the ended recession, is false?
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metalcookiesxy70
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JonRaymond
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metalcookiesxy70:
Define recession without using GDP. If you can do that you know more than anyone else in the world. The word recession does not include the means to measure if a recession exists or not. That would be like saying the word fat includes a scale upon which you determine who is fat and who isn't. There are many varied opinions of how to measure these things.
Look around. Unemployment continues to increase and is in the double digits. You could arguably say that we are not out of a recession until that indicator is back below 6% where is was before our economy went on this downturn. No way that will happen for two more years at least. Five more likely.
Obama has stated at the outset that it will take ten years to recover.
So you tell me. Do you think we are out of the recession? If so, what do you base that on?Some rogue report that the GDP has increased over two quarters? Who is out of it? The unemployed? The homeless? The foreclosed upon?
You have to ask yourself, what is the GDP exactly; what does it measure; what does it not measure; and how much weight does it put on factors that affect real people (like unemployment) versus factors that only affect Wall Street (like military profiteering).
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JonRaymond
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metalcookiesxy70
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metalcookiesxy70:
The recession isn't over, taking a look at reality defines more than a scale/poll/statistic can ever do.....
Its proposal estimation cannot counter reality..
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metalcookiesxy70
