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French minister: ‘No burqas in the street’

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You can hate me for in but i love the French they approach politics with a certain honesty, bluntness. Traits that were once considered American .....

Excerpts from the article:

PARIS - France's immigration minister on Sunday proposed a national debate on French "national identity," saying it should not include face-covering Muslim veils.

"For me, no burqas on the street," Eric Besson said on LCI television, referring to the all-encompassing veils such as those worn in Afghanistan. But he didn't directly suggest a ban, saying it was up to lawmakers to decide whether that would be the most effective measure.

"The burqa runs counter to national values," he said, saying such veils are an affront to women's rights and the French commitment to equality.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has said the burqa imprisons women and is not welcome in France, and a parliamentary commission is holding six months of hearings that could lay the groundwork for a law banning Muslim women from wearing head-to-toe and face-covering veils in public.

Besson suggested a 2 1/2-month-long "great debate on national identity" on the theme "What does it mean to be French?" The idea is "to reaffirm values of national identity and pride in being French," he said.

"In France, the nation and the republic remain the strongest ramparts against ... fundamentalist tendencies," Besson said. "France is diversity, and France is unity."

Debate on French identity
Besson said foreign residents in France should speak better French and that French schoolchildren should have more opportunities to sing the national anthem, La Marseillaise.

The idea of a national debate on French identity is likely to rankle immigrants' and minority rights groups who say Sarkozy's government is too intolerant of outsiders. Himself the son of a Hungarian immigrant, Sarkozy has sought to crack down on illegal immigration, focusing on skilled immigrants instead.

The head of France's largest Muslim body, Mohammed Moussaoui, told the parliamentary panel earlier this month that the full-body veil — worn by a small minority of Muslims in France — is an "entry way" to radical Islam, but that the national debate over whether to ban it is stigmatizing the entire Muslim community.

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I feel that it is important to note that thou the article states that Muslims are the second largest religious population in France this fact is true, but misleading according to the Eurobarometer Poll *

34% of French citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
27% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
33% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
so 60% of France does not believe in God
("Eurobarometer on Social Values, Science and technology 2005 - page 11")

But interest enough........ a January 2007* poll found that
51% of the French population describe themselves as Catholics (and only half of those said they believed in God),
31% as atheists,
4% as Muslims,
3% as Protestants
and 1% as Jews

*{(Romanian) Franţa nu mai e o ţară catolică (France is no longer a Catholic country), Cotidianul, 2007-01-1}

So the "second largest religion" pretty misleading huh? only 4% leaving 96% who have absolutly no religious reason to wear a burqa...

You could hide a bomb under a burqa, and it would be impossible to see who you are. I'm just saying, no one mentioned it, had to be said.....

Even with that said i cant see making a religious piece of clothing illegall.... period... no matter how oppressive it was.Of course it also goes without saying that no one should be forced to where that.......anywhere!

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9 comments // French minister: ‘No burqas in the street’

  • mjseydel
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Mind you, a burqa can be a very useful occasional accessory if one wants to go out incognito, especially if there is a uniform model used by the greatest number. As the French say - "Ni vù, ni connu." (neither seen nor known/recognized). This reminds me of a conversation I had with Pakistani women in Karachi, back in 1972, on the subject of their burqas - they said that with the burqa, they could cross their husbands in the street and not be recognized, which made it easy for them to go on trysts with their lovers in all discretion and safety. That is just about the only virtue I can see in the burqa.

    • 2 years ago
  • ksutherland27
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      ksutherland27  
    • I understand why they may want to make burqas illegal. they are not mentaioned in the quran and therefore are not a part of their religion, it is in my mind a gateway drug to islamic extermism..

      . Many Muslims believe that the Islamic holy book, the Qur'an, require both men and women to dress and behave modestly in public. However, this requirement, called hijab, has been interpreted in many different ways by Muslim communities

      NIcholas Sarkozy has said ""In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity".

    • 2 years ago
  • coconutjackson
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      coconutjackson  
    • they should just let people be. when they were colonising north Africa, nobody invited them there and they forced their rule. who are they to tell people of other religion how to live their lives. Respecting other people's beliefs or culture is what really matters.

    • 2 years ago
  • CarolineS
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      CarolineS  
    • No burka's anywhere! do whatever you want in your own home, but how can we continue to fight for womens rights, when this type of repression is allowed to run rife, and muslims can laugh in the face of our sufferagettes hard work, come to this country and continue to abuse women, the sooner this is made british law the better, then if you don't like it, get out! sorry if i sound racist, im the least racist person i know, im just vehemently against what i see as a degrading sign of oppression

    • 2 years ago
  • stupidy
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      stupidy  
    • CarolineS:

      Is you forcing your will on people not similar the oppresion that you are looking to to prevent?
      I know many people who wear various clothes and garments for their faith or beliefs. They are not oppressed and dont need saving, they may look strange on your street, but they are happy on their street.
      We are all here for a short time, we need to learn tollerance of others and look what we can leave behind as a legacy for the next generations.
      Look what Bush, Blair, Rumsfelt, Rice etc have caused in Iraq because they wanted to free the oppressed people of Iraq.
      Where will you stop your campain? Gays holding hands in public? Rastas with dreadlocks? Catholics with crosses?

    • 2 years ago
  • stupidy
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      stupidy  
    • I think this is dodgey territory for the french, there was already a guy who tried to make all europeans look the same and did not welcome diversity, I think many french were on the recieving end of many of his policies.
      German I think he was.
      Oh well short memories seems to be a French trait.

    • 2 years ago
  • ksutherland27
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      ksutherland27  
    • stupidy:

      I wouldnt not like to see any minority repressed ,however one could argue that the muslim women who do where it may idetify the burqa as a part of their idenity....thou it is symbol of the ongoing repression of women and i can not phathom why women in the free world could support such opression.
      comprassion to hitler eh?
      we as a people need to stop camparring people to Hitler

    • 2 years ago
  • ksutherland27
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