The stats are in: no global cooling

"Go outside, look up, big ain't it,"

The volume of gas is inversely proportional to pressure.

"Okay so CO2 is a greenhouse gas but as a greenhouse gas its pretty crap, easily beaten by water vapour."

So you admit that more CO2 has a greenhouse effect? But you don't believe it is a problem yet.

When do you think it will be a problem? Our CO2 emissions are increasing nearly logarithmically. If it isn't a problem now, when will it be?

At minimum you should see the danger that this *eventually* will be, even if you insist that all current temperature changes can be attribute, and help us act to reduce CO2 for the same reasons.

"have compared data on the number of sunspots and the earths temperature"

Historical records of sunspot activity are tiny compared to the ice core records of CO2. Those are not apples to apples evidence, not even in the same league.

Not to mention that sunspot activity has no ability to explain a continuous warming trend illustrated by temperature data from numerous historical sources (e.g. lake bed strata, tree rings and ice cores).

"Think about it, basic science experiments at high school, measuring the release of gas during a reaction, the more you heat it up the more gas is released."

This confuses me. What natural chemical reaction which produces CO2 do you think increased temperatures are accelerating?

Just watch this, should explain it rather simply. Just think about it, use basic common sense, what could cause the changing climate of a planet, man running machines and burning fuel for energy OR the SUN, the biggest hottest thing in the solar system, which is so big and has a magnetic pull so strong that taken into account how far we and the other planets are still has us trapped in orbit and provides us with enough heat and energy to sustain life.

"... and has a magnetic pull so strong that taken into account how far we and the other planets are still has us trapped in orbit "

You know it isn't magnetism that keeps us revolving around the sun... right?

Just watch the movie, Gravity is a form of magnetism, and the Suns actual magnetic field is huge and affects our atmosphere, especially during sunspot activity.

"Just watch the movie, Gravity is a form of magnetism, and the Suns actual magnetic field is huge and affects our atmosphere, especially during sunspot activity."

A.) What movie are you talking about?

B.) Gravity and magnetism have absolutely nothing to do with each other. In fact much of the current work in physics is to figure out why EM forces (like magnetism) are so strong and why space-time altering forces (like gravity) are so weak.

C.) Magnetic fields fall off with a square of distance. It is impossible that the sun's field would extend as far as the Earth.

D.) Sunspots often indicate solar flare activity, which are discharges of charged particles from the Sun that the Earth's magnetic field largely deflects around us.

Thanks Uelthomas, I've learned some really interesting facts about the anti-climate change crowd from you.

We already knew more CO2 would increase atmospheric temperatures 100 years ago. Why do you say more study is needed?... other than study is usually a good thing. The greenhouse gas effect is shown in molecular theory, by laboratory experiment, and by terrestial bodies such as Earth and Venus. Astronomers predict the temperatures of planets just knowing the distance from the sun and the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The buildup of CO2 gas in the Biosphere II experiment caused its failure. The few credible scientific skeptics, such as Lomborg, start off by admitting some level of AGW exists. How much evidence could you possibly want or need?

I guess you don't know much about the effects if there is real global warming.

Think about millions of refuges fleeing to your area, because they had to vacate their flooded area along the Gulf Coast.
You evidently have no idea. I would be delighted if we have no global warming.

Why wait for the future? You can jump into a furnace today.

Sweet, it will be easy to rent a room with all those refuges. I will need the extra money because it's expensive to leave my Hummer running all the time.

I guess it wasn't that obvious to you 2 I was joking.

you ever heard of a time graph? well.. there's one out there that shows that the ice is not coming back as abundant as it was. it might go back to normal.. in a thousand years.

Why don't you educate yourself on what the scientific experts, who have/are dedicating their lives to studying and reporting are discussing in the SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE.
Or why don't you try to talk to some experts in the geosciences, or attend lectures, talk to graduate students that are studying that field.

This is a great article from one of my profs when I was an undergraduate who is studying in the Arctic:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/325/5946/1355

You can't believe everything that's on the internet is true, especially if its from a politically motivated website masquerading as a legitimate scientific source.

"I'm done here."

Don't hold your breath and stomp your feet for too long, you'll just pass out..

Error 36: Al Gore is a homo

Take *that* 3 year old movie that nobody brought up!

I guess that completely dispels the results of three independent statisticians on the question of whether there have been global cooling trends!

Ignoring that film's influence on the global warming issue is incredibly foolish. We have Al Gore to thank, almost solely, for bringing this horse shit into the media spot light. These statistics are coming from a predictable trend of empirical science's innate desire to perpetuate their own positions of prestige. Nobody will be talking about this in 5 years. Tops.

The Science and Public Policy Institute is run by a man who has been funded by Exxon. I'd definitely believe anything he has to say about climate change...

"Ignoring that film's influence on the global warming issue is incredibly foolish."

That is like a hockey commentator insisting on the right to bring up "The Mighty Ducks" in every single hockey game he does.

"Influential" doesn't mean "relevant to the current discussion".

That fact that you're dragging out a straw man that you're super good at hitting just tells me you have no credible counter-argument to the article's scientific points and are ceding all formalities of debate.

Gore's a deuchebag

I'll take comfort in the fact that the Earth is purely objective, and it doesn't give a shit about you nutty environmentalists either.

You people keep screaming until you're hoarse about how we're destroying the planet, and people like me will keep manufacturing your cars so you can drive to protests.

Ooo that hurt. How old are you? Go read a book then come back and try to actually debate something. Then maybe you won't look so ridiculous with your high school remarks.

Thanks for the laugh, honey.

EDITED: Jan is a comedian.

I wasn't addressing you. Funny you thought I was.

its alright Jan.. you cant save em all.
i recommend investing in an underground pool to stay cool during the hot future.

word

And I'll continue to not give a shit about you.

You're so cute when you're angry. Please don't sell ALL of your possessions when the "apocalypse" comes in 2012. Surely the Mayans predicted our annihilation of the Earth's atmosphere. Damn our lack of hindsight in the critical matter of global warming. GOD HELP US IF WE CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE WEATHER!

If only we were talking something as simple as a 2012 "instant apocalypse".

The fear is that Global Climate Change will begin to displace large populations of people, interrupt crop growth and cause disease epidemics by introducing certain animals and insects into new regions.

So yes, unchecked Global Climate change may very well lead to war, famine and pestilence. Which is worse? A predestined apocalypse on a certain date? Or one that was completely preventable?

"So yes, unchecked Global Climate change may very well lead to war, famine and pestilence, and the effect that will have on humanity."

I guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we? If it's true that we are to blame for these trends (we aren't), then it's surely too late for us to do anything on a large enough scale to reverse it.

You keep buying dangerous organic food, driving your Prius that's using precious earth stones, and protesting, and I'll start cleaning my guns.

it may lead to retardedness as well

"I guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?"

Or we convince enough people that minor changes now will be several order of magnitudes cheaper than adapting to large scale change later?

"If it's true that we are to blame for these trends (we aren't), then it's surely too late for us to do anything on a large enough scale to reverse it."

I for one, would settle for "not making things worse", which is clearly in our power.

"You keep buying dangerous organic food, driving your Prius that's using precious earth stones, and protesting, and I'll start cleaning my guns."

Wow, you really put your imaginary version of me in his place!

At minimum, I apparently have gotten you to go from "not giving a shit" to "cleaning guns", which I count as a victory towards raising overall awareness of climate change.

Noooo, says the AP and the link provided by the article poster.

This is the most annoying post that ever comes across this site.

"Current" doesn't post ANYTHING, WE post shit. You could post stuff against global warming if you really wanted to!

well it's a good thing i really don't want to because I don't really care.

Then why are you in here?

because i thought this was in the comedy section

Well hopefully you've been informed of your error.

I have thank you. Silly me

i wish you would/could change your icon picture daniel_J, your an insult to dave chappel.

If that's the extent of your research, you haven't done much more than read conspiracy theory websites maas.

Here, listen to a scientist who presents both sides of the issue. He's worked with proponents and skeptics of the theory and was an expert for the IPCC and Kyoto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo

And also, to pretend that there isn't a strong commercial/political agenda AGAINST the science of global warming is equally as nauseating as claiming Al Gore is a saint.

"It seems that there really is no way to prove that the earth is warming or cooling based on scientific data that is constantly changing"

Huh? By that logic it would be impossible to say if the stock market trended up or down on a given day because it changed too much during the day?

Saladin are you're saying that that the carbon trading schemes that are already set up by global investment banks like NM Rothschild is a conspiracy "theory?" All science aside, the carbon trading scheme just looks like another ponzi scheme.

Rothschild Australia and E3 International to take the lead in the global carbon trading market"

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=90090 (not a conspiracy theory website)

"Rothschild Australia and E3 International are set to become key players in the international carbon credit trading market, an emerging commodity market that analysts estimate could be worth up to US$150 billion by 2012."

Good call Saladin, all you have to do is look at the people who know the most about the Earth's climate and MOST of them see that global warming is happening and will get a lot worse. This should not be a political issue it should be logical one, if its happening its happening no amount of spin can change that.

Maas, to avoid basically re-posting the same comment I sent you a PM.

Sorry for calling that stuff "conspiracy theories," but I'm not interested in the politics, I'm interested in the science.

Check that pm I sent you and then get back to me.

cap and trade will not work. it simply another market to be created and then exploited. to address the environment, the enemy is waste and the goal is maximum efficiency.

Poe's Law proved again I fear. =)

Apologies, I was attempting to mock those views, not put them forward as a credible argument.

I don't know how long you've been on this site, but I guarantee you will run into people who do nothing but post those same 3x non-sequiturs in every political (and often non-political) article.

Check back tomorrow, I'll be shocked if someone hasn't non-ironically raised at least 2 of those three. =)

No worries!
Thanks for the explanation (i'm glad you were mocking those views :) ) and i'll be certain to check this thread tomorrow.
Cheers!

Haven't you forgotten that Obama is also a MUSLIM!!??