Amnesty: Israel Restricts Palestinians' Water
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freecrack
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damn jews controlling rainfall?
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freecrack
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N00B_Pwn3r12349
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you cant deny a person the right of drinking water, oh wait they just did. WHAT JERKS!
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N00B_Pwn3r12349
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freecrack
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so drought is an act of god
unless your in gaza then its an act of jews
i heard the one where we control the banks or hollywood but never the weather
carefull your stepping into paranoid schitzophrenic territory - 2 years ago
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freecrack
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freecrack
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so vierotchka evil jews harvesting organs totally plausable but any ideas that oppose yours are bullshit. well with that reasoning i stand corrected
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freecrack
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Vierotchka
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freecrack:
What a soggy, wet and feeble straw-man!
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Vierotchka
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markbt116
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Vierotchka,
Your 5 or so "absolute bullshit" comments serve you no purpose. Someone posts well thought out counter arguments, and all you can say is "bullshit?" If they are bullshit, tell us how. Post a link.
Please don't join your local debate team.
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markbt116
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Vierotchka
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markbt116:
Sorry, Mark - I no longer waste my time trying to debate with someone who is incapable of debating but showers one with insults instead. You haven't been in current very long, have you?
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Vierotchka
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markbt116
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markbt116:
Vierotchka,
You are admitting to freecrack that he came up with a better counter argument that silenced you when your only response is "bullshit." Bullshit is an opinion, and what most people will think of your posts.
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markbt116
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freecrack
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they have enough water to mantain a zoo with zebra striped donkeys but lack the water to serve its population? dont tell me its a smaller population in the region the zoo is in its a large population thats why the zoo is there. it wouldnt yield revenue in a region with a small population
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freecrack
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Vierotchka
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freecrack:
Absolute bullshit, freecrack.
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Vierotchka
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IngloriousBitch [removed]
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256740787743&pagename=JPost%2FJP...
Entitled "far from water tight" as are most arguments I read from certain people who think they are cool in kefiyehs made in China by slave kids.
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IngloriousBitch [removed]
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Vierotchka
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IngloriousBitch:
More mendacious Jerusalem Post bullshit.
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Vierotchka
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freecrack
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IngloriousBitch:
you know im with you but food for thoght:
if anti-semetism is born and breed in the mind of the ignorant then counter arguments to nullify thier arguments must be simple for they lack the will or ability to grasp broader ideas.
i love your posts but the long ones probably end up being lost on those (im guessing) you are trying to reach. just trying to help
i apologize if it came off arrogant or incendiary just thought id share an idea that me help - 2 years ago
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freecrack
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IngloriousBitch [removed]
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Israel is under fire yet again for supposed human rights contraventions. Hot on the heels of the Goldstone Report, which at the behest of the UN Human Rights Council charged Israel with war crimes against Gazan civilians in Operation Cast Lead, Amnesty International this week accuses Israel of depriving the Palestinians of the most basic and vital of all commodities - water.
An empty reservoir in the West Bank.
Photo: Amnesty International
Both reports assail Israel for supposedly robbing Palestinians of fundamental liberties and provisions. This simplistic premise underlies the approaches of the UNHRC, Amnesty and a whole host of similar organizations whose verdicts, as National Infrastructure Minister Uzi Landau noted, "are a foregone conclusion before any fact-finding effort is ever under way."So-called human rights organizations have become the prime weapon of choice with which to whack Israel. In the name of ostensible liberality, Israel is repeatedly placed in the dock of world opinion, where it is tarnished as the villain among nations. There's almost no sphere where Israel can remotely expect a fair shake.
Amnesty's latest report is a case in point. It set out to examine the assumed victimization of the Palestinians. Thereafter, everything proceeded true to pattern. The inevitable bottom line is that the Palestinians are aggrieved. No blame is apportioned to them. The causes of the situation aren't considered.
Thus Israel's Water Authority was prevented from making any sort of presentation to Amnesty's researchers or responding to the report's charges before publication.
The report, moreover, focuses on the Mountain Aquifer, neglecting to so much as suggest that Israel might possess legal rights by virtue of the fact that it was first to discover, develop and pump from it. Other arrangements, it can credibly be posited, hinge on the outcome of final status negotiations, which Israel cannot conduct unilaterally.
In fact, Israel draws less water from the Mountain Aquifer today than it did 40 years ago, while Palestinian consumption of fresh water has tripled since then.Additionally, the Israel Water Authority notes that, when all water uses are combined, it emerges that 149 cubic meters are available per capita per annum for Israelis, and 105 cu.m. for Palestinians. The difference, though not negligible, is far from Amnesty's claim of a super-acute shortage, well below the World Health Organization recommended minimum allotment. Water availability to Israelis has fallen sharply in recent decades. In 1967 it stood at 500 cu.m. - so today's figure represents a 70% drop. Until the Six Day War, Palestinians could count on a mere 86 cu.m. yearly. Their situation has improved by 22%.
Had it been given the opportunity, the Water Authority would also have highlighted that Israel supplies water to the PA well in excess of its 1995 Oslo Accords undertakings. Systematically overlooked by Amnesty, meanwhile, are Palestinian breaches of these accords - including pirate drilling, water theft and routine damage to pipelines, failures to purify waste water (despite massive contributions by donor nations), irrigating crops with fresh rather than reclaimed water, dumping untreated sewage into streams, severely contaminating Israel's Coastal Aquifer and forcing Israel to deal with PA sewage.
It is very hard to resist the conclusion that Amnesty's report was commissioned to serve a specific agenda.
NGO MONITOR charges that Amnesty deliberately timed its report to coincide with scheduled events on American campuses entitled "Israel's Control of Water as a Tool of Apartheid and Means of Ethnic Cleansing." These are sponsored by the Palestinian Cultural Academic Boycott of Israel movement.
Whether or not that was the case, there is considerable resonance to the accusation by NGO Monitor's president, Prof. Gerald Steinberg, that Amnesty is "manipulating the water issue"
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IngloriousBitch [removed]
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Vierotchka
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IngloriousBitch:
Absolute bullshit.
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Vierotchka
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freecrack
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speaking of history the jews of the israeli/palastinian territory have been treated less than human for just shy of 2k yrs.
the jewish zionists of the 20s through the 40s were killed for sport.
classic palastinian pastime before that was to let jews pray at the wailing wall only to throw stones at them for sport.
it was common place that regularly jews would be rounded up and killed under islamic law.
christians and jews have been subject to this in the middle east especialy in jerusalem long before the zionists.
zionism is the new reason replacing dimi law wich replaced the blood libel.
all of wich are forms of institutionalized hatred for non muslums without the courage to outright say it
just as the crusades were the persecution of muslums in the name of spreading the word of christ.
how many govts occupy territories and offer freedom and peace to be met with rockets and suicide bombers? - 2 years ago
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freecrack
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Vierotchka
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freecrack:
Absolute bullshit, freecrack.
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Vierotchka
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freecrack
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they want to make sure no land is owned by anyone determined to kill thier populas
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freecrack
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Vierotchka
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freecrack:
Absolute bullshit, freecrack.
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Vierotchka
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Prijedor
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The reason there is no peace is because israel is not jacking all the land yet, especially east jeruselam, they want to make sure that no land in that area is owned by any palestinian
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Prijedor
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Saladin
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Galwayman, what about the West Bank? It didn't elect Hamas and they've been trated like shit for years now. Your argument falls apart there.
Freecrack, you have a completely warped sense of time. The people of Gaza didn't just wake up one morning and say "I hate Jews, let's shoot rockets at them!" You're talking about 70 YEARS of conflict that was initiated by Jews with the removal of Palestinians from their homes and has been a tit-for-tat battle ever since.
Your notion of Israeli innocence is stunningly ignorant. You might as well say that Iraqi insurgents are aggressive against U.S. troops. Gee, ya think that might have something to do with being occupied, oppressed and angry?
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Saladin
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markbt116
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Saladin:
Your argument falls apart. Learn the history. Arabs have hated Jews as long as they've shared any territory whatsoever, in any country. There are tons of reports of discrimination and violence aimed at Jews in Arab countries long, long before 1948.
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markbt116
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Saladin
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Saladin:
Except that Jews lived in Muslim lands without violent hostility since the 600's A.D. Be it Fatimids, Seljuks, Ayyubids, Ottomans or anyone else, no one committed vioence against Jews whether they liked them or not.
So no, I KNOW the history, -you- learn the history. Because clearly, you seem to have forgotten the part where the U.N., namely Britain, gave Israel a bunch of land where people were -already living-.
Golda Meyer and all those folks publicly said that the area needed to be ethnically cleansed in order for a Jewish State to exist, and that's exactly what they did.
Which is the ONLY thing this issue is about, the Palestinian refugee issue. The fact that an entire nation's worth of people don't have have a country, are being occupied or attacked militarily on a near-constant basis and are being pushed into smaller and smaller pieces of land as bigoted Israeli settlers intimidate or kill anyone in their way while their government stands by and does nothing.
And even if none of that were true, how is it even REMOTELY ok to take away their water?
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Saladin
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markbt116
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Saladin:
Saladin,
I don't expect to convince you, although I hope a day will come when we agree. Regardless, here are some facts:
Google "golda meir ethnically cleanse" and you find one article by an arab claiming she said that, and its not even quoted. (propaganda perhaps?)
Google, "arab violence towards jews" and you will find instance after instance of discrimination and violence when Jews lived in Arab countries, long before 1948.
At the time "britain gave israel a bunch of land," as you put it, I agree with you on one point. There were people already living there: 600,000 Jews. There has been a jewish presence in Israel since biblical times, you conveniently ignore this fact.
And I don't believe its right to steal water, and AI's claim has yet to be investigated or proven, Israel vehemently denies it, and the water agreements made in the 1990's are beginning to resurface -- showing Israel as obeying all of them. Palestinians have also failed to dig wells in which they were approved for, and water trucks have also been diverted due to EGYPTIAN blockades.
Israel has been allowed to continue its actions because the western democratic world clearly thinks it is justified. And can you blame them? Israel has an educated, democratic, entrepreneurial population, while there are many instances of unprovoked Palestinians shelling Israeli's and they danced in the streets on 9/11/01.
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markbt116
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freecrack
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if we bombed saudi arabia would you also be mad at them for denying us oil? no it would be the obvious conclusion. why would israel lift a finger to help the survival of a people who function to kill them
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freecrack
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freecrack:
ISRAEL IS DENYING SOMEONE A CHANCE TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE!! YOU CANT COMPARE THAT SHIT WITH OIL THATS USED TO RUN A CAR
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freecrack
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i still dont get how they screamed and rioted to have a gaza free of any israeli presence so that they may direct thier future independantly and still complain that its israels fault thier lives suck. they have thier own govt who has made no steps towards rectifying this yet israel thier enemy is supposed to. maybe if you dont have the resources to support your population you dont demand independance and fuck your nieghbor.
i dont see egypt helping hmmm wonder why?
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freecrack
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freecrack:
egypt is not helping them because our gov. told them not to, you have to look at who is in control of egypt.
about palestinians not helping them selves, well how about this, surround your self, one side water other walls and if you try to swim, there is a navy waiting for you, then you try to jump the fense and there is an army waiting for you, also, just like you cant get out, nothing can come in, now you try to live a normal life let us know how it goes.
typical palestinians have to deal with crap from hamas and from israel, they are the ones suffering the worse
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Prijedor
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galwayman
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Lets all remember that these people elected hamas,a known terrorist group to run their government! hamas has made it clear that the extermination of the jewish people is their main goal! Israel made it clear that if hamas was elected then a state of war would exist until hamas was no longer running the government.these people have no one to blame but themselves for this situation! If you lie down with terrorists then you should expect any fair treatment! I have no bad feelings about saying this and if they want water then vote the terrorists out of office! Israel can not be blamed for it's fortress mentality either Hamas and every other terrorist group in the middle east has been trying to exterminate them since the countries founding! Current censored me for my comments on moslem terrorists today however I will not be politically correct! how many innocent people have died due to their waped world view? how many will die in the future? why aren't these "people" brought to justice wholesale? Why do we let them into Europe and the US when they are our enemies? It makes no sense to me that whats happening in denmark,all over europe,and the US is allowed to happen! By 2020 they will outnumber us in our own countries and that means convert or die! Why is current censoring this truth?What are they afraid of the moslem lobby? the west must save itself before its too late or our way of life,and our freedom of choice to enjoy music,movies,books,sex,will disappear because they hate all that,and want to live in some 14th century fantasy where no enjoyment of life is allowed!
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galwayman
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galwayman:
and dont forget that they are the same hamas that israel help create
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Kay_Bee
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Buying water in Gaza
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Kay_Bee
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twohawks
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Thanks for posting this Viero.
I am partial to addressing the issues equally for both parties, however, from what I have been able to gather seems to me Israel's handling of Palestine and its resources is inhumanitarian and disgusting.
I do not have good enough scope to actually "know" here, so maybe you all can help with this... my sense is that Obama's 'direction' has been to continue to lend support in favor of Israel, and that the US has backed off of any support for equal handling of Israel~Palestine issues whether in Washington or in its UN involvement, regardless of inviting JStreet to table... am I mistaken in this?
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twohawks:
its actualy the most ambiguose policy towards israel by a us president ever
obama has a huge stake with islam and all favorability towards israel hurts him there and his chief of staff is a liberal ny jew.
conservative and liberal jews dont know if he is definitively pro or anti israel - 2 years ago
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freecrack
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twohawks:
Absolute bullshit, freecrack.
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Vierotchka
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LadybugLady [removed]
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I am just waiting for the US to finally stand up and say "what the fuck is going on" and drop Israel as a so called alie. .
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LadybugLady:
Human rights violations have never been a concern to their status as US allies. It's never been about the language were told of democracy, human rights, etc. It's about US campaign funding and the interests of those who fund the campaign. You want change that will be lasting you need to get corporate influence out of media and political funding.
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LadybugLady:
Sadly, the US will NEVER stand up to Israel as long as the Jewish lobby remains the most influential lobby on K-street. K-street is that street in DC where the various lobbies have their offices. Now --Israel, itself, cannot maintain such a lobby, nor, as I understand the law, any other sovereign nation. "Israel" gets around the law with a proxy --the JEWISH LOBBY, US citizens of Jewish descent but, arguably, loyal to Israel.
I am not fond of ANY lobby but this arrangement strikes me as especially pernicious, a subterfuge, an outright subversion of our Democratic principles. It smacks of a sell-out ! What other foreign nation might be tempted to BUY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT by way of a proxy?
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AS IF THIS IS NEW PEOPLE, ISRAEL RESTRICTS THE MOST BASIC NEEDS THAT WOULD PROVIDE A SENSE OF DIGNITY, EVEN WATER. WHO KNOWS, MAYBE AIR OR SUNSHINE WILL BE NEXT....
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JulianCommongold
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Wont be long b4 we are all at war over water.
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JulianCommongold:
this does not need to become true...
people need to learn how to harvest and purify water with out taxing natural sources...
the major problem is people are unwilling to change, or do not want to believe there are other ways other then a magic tap that brings forth water...
if people started harvesting rain, using uv purification and ceramic filters. http://current.com/items/91222025_ceramic-pots-make-potable-water-possible.htm
everyone would find they have enough clean water to live on with out having to goto war... how ever this also evolves stopping our continual waste of water and the creation and miss use of black and gray water. And our sicken addition of chemicals into our water sources.
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JulianCommongold:
wowowow ! Thanks for posting that.
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Vierotchka
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Actually, masterzip, all the water does not sit on Palestinian territory. Furthermore, Israel has huge desalination factories.
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
Yeah, that's what I thought I'd read.
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Vierotchka:
The desalination facilities are leading to the depletion of the Dead Sea. Sooner or later there will be no Dead Sea left.
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Vierotchka:
Actually, Israel does not use water from the extremely salty Dead Sea for desalination, it uses water from the Mediterranean Sea.
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Vierotchka
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masterzip
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Water is one reason these two are still at war. all the water sits on Palestinian territory,..guess who wants control of it?
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masterzip
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Incredulous
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I'm waiting for the "you hate Israel" posters to tell us that Amnesty International is an unreliable source, and therefore none of this can possibly be true.
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Incredulous
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Incredulous:
You and me both, Incredulous. Sadly it's only a matter of time.
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Incredulous:
Unfortunately many people here seek conflict. Most Israeli supporters seek peace. Israel would love to be neighbors with a prosperous, independent and peaceful people.
Did you miss the part in the video that says Palestinians have failed to dig any new wells whatsoever? I hope you haven't ignored other reports on this issue showing how Israel is obeying every law and keeping to international agreements made in the 90's. In fact, it is the Palestinians who have failed to keep their side of the agreement and now they suffer from it.
And I don't understand why an independent nation has an obligation to give people that seek to destroy them anything whatsoever.
Lastly, keep in mind there are two sides to the blockades. On the other side is Egypt. Why don't they donate some water? Why don't you for that matter?
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markbt116
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Vierotchka
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New Jewish lobby hits Washington scene.
A new Jewish lobby group, which opposes Jewish settlements and advocates a Palestinian state, has held its inaugural conference in Washington.
The group has already caused a stir, with its position prompting the Israeli ambassador to the US to refused to attend.
Al Jazeera's Tom Akerman reports on the conference from Washington.
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Vierotchka
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lenhart
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I do believe that the denial of free access to water is a crime. And --if it is not, it OUGHT to be.
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lenhart
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lenhart:
It is a Crime Against Humanity.
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Vierotchka
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lenhart:
it is a crime and one that Israel will get away with, just like all of the other crimes they commit few times a day
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Prijedor
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Then that means some people will be drinking pee ?
I mean come on its water for gods sake ! - 2 years ago
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Maeveeo