Daily Show Under Fire from Pro-Israel Lobby
source: http://rawstory.com/2009/10/daily-show-israelipalestinian-conflict/
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Stewart hosted Palestinian democracy activist Mustafa Barghouti and human rights activist Anna Baltzer, author of A Witness in Palestine, who explained the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the perspective of the Palestinian side.
According to a letter reportedly written by Baltzer and circulated by blogger Eric Johnson, the show "was overwhelmed with angry emails and phone calls prior to the appearance, and up until the last minute it seemed like they might cancel."
"During the taping the show had its only heckler in 11 years," Baltzer wrote. "The entire staff were very nervous and may come to regret the monumental decision (and not make it again) as they will surely be inundated now that the show has aired."
At one point during the interview, Barghouti asserted: "We [Palestinians] are struggling for liberty, we are struggling for justice. It's Palestinians who have been subjected to the longest occupation in history and a system of segregation that is totally unjust."
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thats what trut does, hit and run literary vandalism.
so the jews of 6 thousand years feed on thier own, yet still remain over 6 thousand yrs seems a theory that condradicts itself nicely done.
lol the best part is that in the face of world evils, the best you came up with was bernie freakin madoff.
timothy mcvey was a christian nationalist who blew up innocent people in oklahoma but bernie madoff is savage?lol priceless not to mention bernie madoffs victims where mostly gentile.classic - 2 years ago
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Well I am sure glad the old hag is dead.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU&feature=player_embedded
Ayn Rand on Israel and the Arabs. Notice something quite important....she tells the truth.
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@trut: That's such a dumb and disrespectful comment in response to someone speaking with absolute sincerity and passion, putting the record straight and refuting lies and libel. Haven't you got anything better to do?
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trut
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Just full of hate, hey glory.
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If you're intersested in a plagiarised document that takes facts out of context and belies Jimmy Carters perpetual failure (as Habitat for Humanity homes fall apart and people get stuck with he bill) Read Peace not Apartheid by Jimmy Plagiarizer and out of context Carter
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People who call Israelis human rights vilators while ignoring what the Palestinians have done with aid money (corruption, weapons instead of food, giving land to relatives instead of rightful owners) and what they had done to Jews for millenia before Israel are ignorant of the indigenous Arab History of Judaism and Jewish people as a whole and they should go the fuck back to school. The Holocaust influx does not excuse 3000 years of Jew bashing. Nor does it excuse the millions of dunams stolen from Jews by Muslims throughout the ME which comprise a nation much larger than tiny ass Israel. This is just reverse racism and you don't even fucking know it because you are IGNORANT.
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Apparently brainwashed by Carter, this person who has laid down this little misguided history apparently doesn't realize that Palestine has been supported by Russia and created a Cold War Proxy situation, therefore without Russia there would be no terror, and the formation of Israel only brought a few hundred thousand holocaust survivors while the majority came from ARAB lands as they were being persecuted. With 50 miles wide of land, it is impossible for you to make the case that Apartheid is NOT happening to Israelis who are racially banned from working in most RACIST Arab states. GET A GRIP ON REALITY. It's called Peace not Plagiarism Carter!!! That president was a loser who cost AMERICAN lives as much as Bush.
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Two wrongs don’t make it right. The third option is peace but that gets the same media coverage than Palestinians ;)
the exact topic of this exchange... - 2 years ago
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glad you pointed out the data WN, meaning showing people here that almost every Non-Muslim or Non-communofascist country either voted against or abstained. The UN votes on racial and religious lines.
You have human rights violators hiding behind scapegoating Israel. Plus the only source you have there that isn't completely questionable as propoganda would be the NY Times. Which is questionably honest at best. - 2 years ago
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i dont see any zoinist asking for american support. not yet once has any zionist yielded to a foriegn power. the notion is divisive slander aimed at spreading the idea that jews are trying to rule the world.through spreaimg thier influence despite history and current events proving otherwise
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freecrack:
The United States was the first nation to support Israel after it claimed independence in middle of 20th cent, they have continually provided money and arms to them since, except for a brief period in the first Bush administration when the land grabs by the gov were getting extremely excessive. They cut off funding for a moment, but after he left office months later it continued. Israel is definitely is the nation it is today because of the United States. That isn't a bad thing necessarily, the only thing some of us are worried about are the continual violations of human rights occurring to Palestinian people concerning water, social justice, their access to information and the media. If the people of Israel were being treated like the Palestinians we would already have sent troops over their to secure their freedom. The only way to solve such a dilemma is creating two states and attempting to spread peace. There have been multiple treaties signed and disregarded by both parties, the only difference is that Israel is in the position of dominance in the region. Being in a position of power they have a responsibility to the people of the area insuring protection and upholding basic human rights. I don't think anyone is necessarily worried about a global conspiracy of the Jewish faith, I think they are worried about making sure people are treated equally and fairly. This was the entire basis for creating Israel in the first place, giving land to a people who had been targeted by terrible leaders and systematically oppressed. If you are interested, read the book written by former President Jimmy Carter as he spent a great deal of political career attempting to mediate in the region. It's called Peace Not Apartheid.
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What about the $3 billion a year the Zionists beg for and get? Parasites all of them!!
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It is a complex matter so I find it totally normal that it branches out... So here,s some more ;)
Israel: Remote control occupation?
Baum: New technologies are allowing Israel to maintain control over its occupation remotely November 7, 2009
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&a...
U.N. Affirms Israeli-Hamas War Crimes Report
By Thalif Deen
The report, which was favourably voted by the 47-member Human Rights Council in Geneva last month, received overwhelming support Thursday in the 192-member General Assembly. The vote was 114 in favour and 18 against, with 44 abstentions. The 18 countries that voted against the resolution included the United States, Australia, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Israel.
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49161
Goldstone and Gaza
By Jimmy Carter
Knowing of the ability of Israeli forces, often using U.S. weapons, to strike targets with pinpoint accuracy, it was difficult to understand or explain the destruction of hospitals, schools, prisons, United Nations facilities, small factories and repair shops, agricultural processing plants and almost 40,000 homes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/opinion/06iht-edcarter.html?_r=1The Evil Empire
By Paul Craig Roberts
Obama's credibility is shot. And so is Congress's, assuming it ever had any. The US House of Representatives has just voted to show the entire world that the US House of Representatives is nothing but the servile, venal, puppet of the Israel Lobby.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23908.htm - 2 years ago
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wow - u guys went soooooo off topic - really interesting - but talk about pushing it. this was an entertainment point of view topic- its amazing what u guys can argue into.
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Ha you know Milch Man, it's really sad when you rely on news from the worlds greatest Human Rights abuser for your arguments. I'll believe Chinese reports when my cheap plastic shit stops falling apart only to find childrens fingerprints inside.
The Chinese and all communists in general invented propoganda. The Dalai Lama does not advocate Jihad! And neither do Native Americans. The holes I dig bury people who are full of commie bullshit. - 2 years ago
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Artemis, that is what I am saying, we are getting one perspective at the UN and a different perspective at Obama's office and in congress. There has been no other conflict investigation that is as significantly marred with vested interests from oil production to religious issues to the grand old Cold War. BOTH the Palestinians and Israelis are being used as pawns in proxy.
And using international law to bash the nation for which international law was developed after the Holocaust is quite an interesting, ironic and viscious way to a final solution.
The most important issue is that we have a defacto prosecution going on who's investigators made pre-determined findings and minimised one side of the story (mainly 8000 rockets).
At Nurembourg and many HR trials after, war criminals walked. There were sympathies for the German people and for soldiers who knew better. Even today, we see WWII criminals walk free. Because a case like this in a conflict is really hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
What we are saying is that a certain group of people who are investigating have no intention of sticking to the international law of innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's a farce that never mentions all of the vested interests, proxy nations, and ACTUAL genocide committed by Hamas' allies in Sudan where people are rounded up and burned!
WE as Israelis built bomb shelters and hospitals in Gaza!
They were used by Hamas' soldiers instead of children.
This is not an investigation, it is an attempt to paint the guilty in an innocent light of liberation.
There are many "liberated," Muslims with full rights inside Israel and these people are there for one reason only, because they hate Jews and want us dead.
It started pre-WWII with Hitler himself coming to Palestine. - 2 years ago
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Give me a fucking break Nidal Hasan, the Native Americans deserve a whole continent yet they do not insist on behaving like barbarians and sexist morons!
There is no excuse for the behavior of the general Arab population towards other cultures for the last 3000 years either. Jews never enslaved Africans, and in South Africa we fought against Apartheid and treated people well. - 2 years ago
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Finally, about Chinkin's supposed criticism of Hamas, which we are supposed to believe makes the letter either irrelevant, or somehow Kosher. Our legal brief from this summer, summarily dismissed by Goldstone, anticipated the specious argument that the letter’s single-line lip service on Hamas sanitizes her preemptive guilty verdict against Israel. We wrote:
The end of the statement includes one passing sentence on Hamas crimes, immediately followed by the qualifier that Israel’s “operations in Gaza amount to an aggression and is contrary to international law, notwithstanding the rocket attacks by Hamas.” No reasonable person could read the statement without concluding -- as the Sunday Times headline writer did -- that the crux of Prof. Chinkin’s joint statement was that “Israel’s bombardment of Gaza is not self-defense, it’s a war crime.”
In note 5 of the legal brief we added:
Some will no doubt seize upon this one sentence to exculpate Prof. Chinkin. This is to no avail. First, no reasonable person can read her statement in its entirety and deny that its central thesis is that Israel is an aggressor and war criminal. Second, even if the one sentence on Hamas were to be given weight, the gross abuse of due process arising from Prof. Chinkin’s commitment to a preconceived outcome regarding individuals on one side of the conflict -- her absence of an open mind on the question put before the Mission -- is hardly assuaged by an additional prior determination regarding individuals from the other side.
I salute the Brandeis student who raised the Chinkin matter tonight with Goldstone. While it was good of her to use our legal brief’s argument invoking the 2004 Sesay precedent, where an international war crimes judge had to step down due to remarks related to some of the parties, it also gave Goldstone a chance to access one of his previously-used escape routes. That precedent from the Sierra Leone tribunal, said Goldstone, dealt with a judicial panel, whereas his was something distinct.
But this is a distinction without a difference. Our arguments never relied on the Sesay precedent. Rather, we showed that international fact-finding missions (and not only judicial tribunals) are subject to the fundamental obligation of impartiality. In fairness, the Brandeis student did also remind Goldstone of his promise that the mission would be impartial, but he ignored this.
And so the question for Goldstone comes back to this: Was your fact-finding mission subject to the legal standards applicable to international human rights fact-finding missions? If so, given that impartiality is Rule #1 under those standards, and given that you concede that “[the] letter she’d signed would have been a ground for disqualification” in a judicial context, what is it about your own inquiry that renders Chinkin's impartiality deficit suddenly acceptable?
Goldstone has consistently evaded any accountability under the law applicable to international fact-finding missions, by repeatedly declaring that his panel was “not judicial.”
But this is a red herring. The simple truth is that his fact-finding mission was legally subject to a well-established set of standards. Sadly, however, these were ignored.
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In tonight's Brandeis University debate with former Israeli ambassador Dore Gold, Judge Richard Goldstone, author of the UN report on Gaza that bears his name, conceded that, had his UN inquiry been considered “judicial,” the prior statement of his colleague Christine Chinkin concerning Israel would have been sufficiently problematic as to disqualify her.
Recall that in a joint statement published on January 11, 2009 in the Letters section of London’s Sunday Times, entitled “Israel’s Bombardment of Gaza is Not Self-Defense -- It’s a War Crime,” Chinkin declared that Israel was guilty of committing acts during Operation Cast Lead that were “contrary to international humanitarian and human rights law,” and of committing “prima facie war crimes.”
Goldstone’s concession on this point echoes what he told South Africa’s Business Day in an August 2nd interview: “If it had been a judicial inquiry, that letter she’d signed would have been a ground for disqualification.”
However, in the same breath as he effectively admitted the obvious—that her impartiality was irreparably compromised—Goldstone contradicted himself by defending Chinkin’s letter as being entirely irrelevant.
First, argued Goldstone, her letter was signed also by a number of eminent international law scholars.
Second, as he argued to Congress in his failed attempt to block this week’s House denunciation of the Goldstone Report, he said that Chinkin’s letter only dealt with the “technical” issue of whether Israel enjoyed the right to self-defense under international law, and not with the specific issues bearing on the inquiry.
Third, argued Goldstone tonight, Chinkin also condemned Hamas.
All of these arguments he has made before, several of which are documented in our legal brief. (See more at www.unwatch.org/goldstone.) Yet each is specious, misleading and without any basis in law. I believe that the jurist Goldstone knows this full well, but apparently believes that the ends (his desire to save Israel from itself) justify the means (accepting a biased colleague on his inquiry panel, just as he accepted to work under the UN Human Rights Council's biased S/9-1 mandate that was never changed as a matter of law).
First, what probative value the existence of co-signatories has on Chinkin’s real or apparent bias is beyond me. But it is worthy of note that among the signatories so respected by Goldstone is one Richard Falk, the UN Human Rights Council’s permanent investigator of alleged Israeli violations, a man who has repeatedly accused the United States government of being behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Second, putting aside that the issue of whether Israel enjoys the legal right of self-defense is hardly “technical,” Chinkin’s remarks bear directly on the subject matter of the inquiry. Even had Chinkin only limited herself to accusing Israel of “aggression,” without opining at all as to the manner in which Israel conducted the war, this would have been clearly sufficient to create the appearance of bias on any matter related to Israel and the war.
But it’s worse: contrary to what she insisted during a May briefing with Geneva NGOs, and contrary to what Goldstone keeps saying, Chinkin’s letter also stated on the record—prior to her seeing any evidence—that Israel was guilty of committing acts during Operation Cast Lead that were “contrary to international humanitarian and human rights law,” and of committing “prima facie war crimes.”
That means she spoke on both jus ad bellum (whether the war was just) as well as jus in bello (how it was conducted). That Goldstone keeps getting away with saying she only addressed the former is testament to the culture of impunity that has surrounded this mission from its inception. (And, it is again important to note, even her comments on the former amounted to a sufficient disqualifier.)
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Bipartisan Attack on International Humanitarian Law
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/6549
Since this report documented apparent war crimes by a key U.S. ally, however, Congress has taken the unprecedented action of passing a resolution condemning it. Perhaps most ominously, the resolution also endorses Israel's right to attack Syria and Iran on the grounds that they are "state sponsors of terrorism."“Because if this Congress votes to condemn a report it has not read, concerning events it has totally ignored, about violations of law of which it is unaware, it will have brought shame to this great institution. - Dennis Kucinich
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Truth, Human Dignity and the Goldstone Report
By Congressman Dennis Kucinich
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today (November 04, 2009) made the following statement on the House Floor about H. Res 867, which condemns the ‘Goldstone Report’ or the Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict:
“Today we journey from Operation Cast Lead to Operation Cast Doubt. Almost as serious as committing war crimes is covering up war crimes, pretending that war crimes were never committed and did not exist.
“Because behind every such deception is the nullification of humanity, the destruction of human dignity, the annihilation of the human spirit, the triumph of Orwellian thinking, the eternal prison of the dark heart of the totalitarian.
“The resolution before us today, which would reject all attempts of the Goldstone Report to fix responsibility of all parties to war crimes, including both Hamas and Israel, may as well be called the “Down is Up, Night is Day, Wrong is Right” resolution.
“Because if this Congress votes to condemn a report it has not read, concerning events it has totally ignored, about violations of law of which it is unaware, it will have brought shame to this great institution.
“How can we ever expect there to be peace in the Middle East if we tacitly approve of violations of international law and international human rights, if we look the other way, or if we close our eyes to the heartbreak of people on both sides by white-washing a legitimate investigation?
“How can we protect the people of Israel from existential threats if we hold no concern for the protection of the Palestinians, for their physical security, their right to land, their right to their own homes, their right to water, their right to sustenance, their right to freedom of movement, their right to the human security of jobs, education and health care?
“We will have peace only when the plight of both Palestinians and Israelis is brought before this House and given equal consideration in recognition of that principle that all people on this planet have a right to survive and thrive, and it is our responsibility, our duty to see that no individual, no group, no people are barred from this humble human claim.” - 2 years ago
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Both sides must be heard . John stewart is doing a great job - where else can you hear this ? It certainly isn't mainstream .
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Dear Bitch ;)
Point well taken for I too, as an agnostic find myself in the huge 2% that can actually live in a post ‘sciècle des lumières’ humanity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
"It has never mattered to me that thirty million people might think I'm wrong. The number of people who thought Hitler was right did not make him right...Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?" - Frank Zappa
I do find the 3 monotheist religions offensive but I would fight for their right to exist while at the same time slapping them silly into the 21st century
"The three monotheisms, animated by the same genealogical death instinct, share a series of identical contempt: hatred of reason and intelligence; hatred of freedom; hatred of all books in the name the one & only; hatred of life; hatred of sexuality, of women and pleasure; hatred of feminity; hatred of the body, of desires & impulses. Instead of all that, Judaism, Christianity and Islam defend: faith and belief, obedience and submission, a taste for death and a passion for the beyond, asexual angel and chastity, virginity and monogamic fidelity, the wife and the mother, the soul and spirit. In other words, life crucified and celebrated nothingness" – Michel Onfray
I’m not sure most of the faithful would grace me with the same level of understanding after reading the last paragraph ;)
"You'll get my tolerance, but not my intellectual respect for if you could you would burn me at the stake" - Bill Maher
So it is no surprise my point of view that ‘everything isn’t black & white but myriads of shades of grey can be misread or misunderstood.
But I do insist that all of them faith junkies respect the universal philosophy defended by all their leaders & prophets: The Golden Rule ( aka the ethic of Reciprocity) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity
For any dogma elaborated or acts perpetrated without this very low threshold of human behavior I must consider sub-human by humanism standard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism
So I guess we might agree on the substance but not necessarily on the form ;)
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PARDON ME! Pseudo religious fascism without the Capitalism (more of a Staliinist version complete with moustaches) to be exact. And as for my politics, I voted Obama. But I hate them all! Not one of them isn't bought and Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are just confused. They seem to think you don't have to fight against people who's laws are anti-personal liberty unless it involves pot.
I am all for pot, but not for Neda's murderers and their whole culture of death.
Israel is the only socially and ecologically progressive nation in the ME. If you want to hold us to the standards we created at least admit that!
There is no version of Haaretz in Iran and Al Jazeera has never stayed open 100% in any country OTHER than Israel.
Believe me, if anything, I'm over educated. I have seen it all. The failure of all isms'. - 2 years ago
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Anyone who saw the damage in Sderot, the war in Darfur, and the honor killings of the West bank would be bitchy about having thier "relatively progressive," culture lambasted for trying to protect themselves from it. Yes there are fundamentalist Jews who are wrong, the difference is we don't arm them, we throw them in jail. (most orthodox do not fight in the IDF and many Muslims DO)
As for who owns the land, there are thousands of disputed properties world wide and the disputers don't have to bomb cafes and innocents on BOTH sides to prove their point. If the Palestinians had the grace of the Lakota or the innocence of the Tibetan monks their cause might be legitimate. As it stands it is grounded in the subjugation of women like Neda and Genocide in Darfur. A viewing of certain "rich," areas in the WB and Gaza proves that conditions are based upon what the Palestinian chooses to do with his life. I know many who chose better for themselves and live in relative quiet. The wages of terror are death and fascism.
Palestinians cannot run from thier own culpabilities as the "progressive," community has encouraged.
Would you at least agree that sometimes one has to defend himself? And that the history is quite imbalanced as to who has been doing the opressing for the last 3000 years? (hint, it's not the Jews) - 2 years ago
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Do you mean like the peaceful protests by Tibetan's in March of 2008 where they went around torching Chinese owned stores and beating the hell out of Chinese nationals? You are just digging your hole deeper lady. You do not know what you are talking about, please refrain from further incriminating your self.
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LOL... wow that was ingloriously bitchy alright !
First : I am not pro-Palestinian in the sense that I agree with their leaders but I am staunchly against humans being treated like cattle at best. The obscurantism/fundamentalism attitude from both sides irks me no bound.
Would you, at least, agree that both sides have their flaws or do you firmly stand behind the 'chosen people' intellectual pablum ? At least read the post and take notice that most criticism comes from Jews ;)
As for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad : Please check my clip & campaign WE ARE NEDA for a total debunk of your basic affirmations...
1) http://www.youtube.com/user/weareneda
2) http://www.facebook.com/Neda4ever?v=wall&ref=nameSo please try to infuse your high horses with a tad of discernment for the manure stench might get in the way of discussion & please don't throw the proverbial baby with the bath's water ;)
So basically you might be barking up the wrong tree bitchy for I am but a humanist, feminist & pacifist with a human dignity chip on his shoulder ;)
"To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing." -Elbert Hubbard
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UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO BE A LIBERAL HYPOCRITE
White Noise, your posts here are embedded with people who smuggle arms to kill civilians in direct violation of law, the proof is on the ship! Won't you learn the "real," facts and stop suporting Achmadenjad in opressing his own people? 3000 years of Arab Opression on INDIGENOUS Jews and 50 miles across is all we get for it? Your sense of justice boggles my mind. Do unto others? Then shouldn't Hamas expect 8000 indiscriminate rockets? Or only Israel has a responsability to the law, as always. My people invented human rights with our faith. You have no basis to argue without our product. You should focus on ending slavery,homophobia, religious discrimination, and murder of dissidents, and sexism in ARAB lands before you attack the most progressive nation among them. Being a pro-Palestinian progressive is an OXYMORON! You cannot be progressive and support a fascist racist culture who hates their neighbors for being Jews and throws acid on thier daughters. You cannot be anti-Darfur genocide and support their ally Hamas.
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IngloriousBitch:
Excellent comment. I enjoyed reading that. The truth is always a pleasure to behold, especially when addressed to fascists. However, it will fall on deaf ears...pearls before swine.
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IngloriousBitch:
A minimum of education seems to be order here ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_(epithet)You wouldn't happen to be one of them pesky repugs ;)
ROPE A DOPE : GOP SUPPORT DOWN TO 20 %
http://current.com/items/91258251_rope-a-dope-gop-support-down-to-20.htmif so... well...PUT YOUR HANDS ON DA TV !
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MEANWHILE AT THE 'FAITH OVER FACTS" RANCH ;)
House of Representatives condemn Goldstone
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/21550/house-representatives-condemn-goldsto...
Israel's UN ambassador: Goldstone report was born of hate, executed in sin:
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Gabriela Shalev, spoke at the opening of a UN General Assembly debate on a report accusing Israel of having committed war crimes in Gaza, saying that the report was "born of hatred and executed in sin."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125890.htmlAND STILL THE SELF HATING JEWS PARADE GOES ON...
Jews to Israel: Stop villifying Goldstone:
"When it comes to Israel, hard-core censorship and intimidation by those claiming to speak in the name of the Jewish people have been the order of the day," the letter said regarding Israel's response to the Goldstone report findings.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125830.html
BUT SUGAR DADDY SAYS...NO,NO,NO !
United Nations Begins Debate on Gaza War Crimes Inquiry:
The resolution's calls for investigation are nonbinding, and no meaningful action is likely in the Security Council because the United States, which has opposed the report's findings, has veto power on the panel.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/world/middleeast/05nations.html
ALL THE WHILE...
Jewish "Settlers" Force Way Into East Jerusalem Home, Evict Arab Family (PHOTOS):
Jewish settlers forced their way into a disputed house in east Jerusalem on Tuesday, using hired guards to evict an elderly Palestinian woman and tossing the other residents' belongings into the rain-swept yard.
http://snipurl.com/t28jnBritain: Israeli settlements are 'illegal' and 'obstacle' to peace:
"Settlements are illegal in our view and an obstacle" that impedes efforts which seek to work out a final settlement between the Israelis and Palestinians.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125583.html
Erekat: Palestinian state may have to be abandoned:
Chief Palestinian negotiator expresses concern over continued expansion of Jewish settlements, says goal of independent state will not be fulfilled if US does not interfere
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3800328,00.html"Who can protest an injustice but does not is an accomplice to the act": The Talmud
AGAIN...
HUMANITY FIRST >DO UNTO OTHERS...
Ethic of Reciprocity / Golden Rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocityGLOBAL ETHIC FOUNDATION
http://www.weltethos.org/dat-english/03-declaration.htmNew Global Economic Ethic Manifesto Launched
http://www.weltethos.org/pdf_dat/grundwerte-wirtschaft/Global_Economic_Ethic.pdf - 2 years ago
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this is turning into a self hating jew parade...
Zionism's Jewish Enemy
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23893.htmPS : HEY FACTS DENIERS; WON'T YOU JOIN HUMANITY ;)
"I will never apologize for the United States of America - I don't care what the facts are." - President George Bush
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” – Daniel Patrick Moynihan
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." - Voltaire
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Zionists are really in a tough spot at this point and I really don't see too much support for their campaign to get Americans to go along with this murderous Nazi policies that they have for the Palestinians, save for the cowardly puppets in the US Congress.
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Are you worldpeastv's doppelganger? The axe grinding and bombardment of obsessive propaganda is somewhat familiar......and oh so tiresome.
Facts? That's a good one.
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MORE FACTS FROM THE FRONT...
learn & cringe - 2 years ago
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EVEN MORE SELF HATING JEWS LAY DOWN THE FACTS !
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Silence is sooo eloquent ;)
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Cut & paste is so underrated...please give us your source, now tell us...wadaya really think ;)
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11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker; The book estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.
12. As the Jews came and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, Arabs followed. They came for jobs, for prosperity, for freedom. And, they came in large numbers.
13. In 1922, with what was widely acknowledged as the illegal separation of Trans-Jordan, the Jews were forbidden to settle on almost 77% of the Palestine, while Arab settlement went unrestricted and encouraged by British mandatory authority.
14. Prior to the Second World War Mojli Amin, a member of the Arab Defense Committee for Palestine, proposed the idea "that all the Arabs of Palestine will leave and be divided up amongst the neighboring Arab countries. In exchange for this, all the Jews living in Arab countries will leave and come to Palestine."
15. Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks. Over 80% of the original British Mandate land was given to Arabs without population transfer of Arabs from the land designated for Jews.
16. In 1947, the Jewish state huddled on 18% of the original British Mandate land. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and seven Arab states immediately declared war against Israel.
17. In 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors.
18. Some 850,000 Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab countries, due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
19. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is claimed to be around 630,000 (where did they get this number?). Based on population census, estimated number of Arabs who left Israel was around 460,000. They were ordered to leave by Arab leaders at the time.
20. From 1948 till 1967 Arabs made no attempt to create a Palestinian state. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated, 58 synagogues in Jerusalem were destroyed and the Jews and Christians were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
21. Arabs began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1964 only, on the initiative of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat. The idea became popular Arab propaganda tool after Israel re-captured Judea, Samaria and Gaza in the defensive 6-Day War of 1967, - 2 years ago
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The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines (“Invaders” in Hebrew), that disappeared out over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine.
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem - Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Since 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years with a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
3. The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.
4. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
5. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem).
8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. (The source: A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.)
9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human.
10. In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141 000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. - 2 years ago
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The Top 10 facts you need to know.
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In the summer of 2000, Israel offered the Palestinian Arabs 97% of the land they claim to be fighting for, making Israel the first and only country ever to offer the Palestinian Arabs a homeland. This offer was rejected with no counter-offer from the Palestinians.
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Like the United States, Israel is a democracy. Israel's Parliament includes men, women, Jews, and Arabs.
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Israel ensures complete equality of all individuals irrespective of religion, race or sex. These civil rights are granted in Israel's Declaration of Independence and Declaration of Establishment.
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The West Bank and Gaza Strip are disputed territories, claimed by Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. (UN Resolution 242)
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Israel gained control of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza (sometimes referred to as the "disputed territories") in 1967 after defeating Egypt, Syria and Jordan in a pre-emptive strike after those countries surrounded Israel with troops, launched repeated terrorist attacks, and threatened to "put an end to Israel."
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Three major attempts to destroy Israel have been carried out by the Arab World: in 1947, 1967, and 1973. Although many neighboring Arab countries today still wish to destroy Israel, Israel still seeks peace. Israel has forged peace agreements with Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994), and has lived in peace with these countries ever since.
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The West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza were never controlled by any Palestinian government or organization until 1993, when Israel agreed to give the Palestinian Authority certain controls under the Oslo Peace accords.
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Israeli Settlements in the West Bank are not illegal under any international law.
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There have been roughly as many Jews displaced from Arab Nations as Arabs displaced from Israeli territory. Israel has absorbed the Jewish refugees, yet the Arab world refuses to accept the Palestinian Arabs into their countries.
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The combined land size of Arab countries is 650 times the size of Israel -- i.e., Israel is the size of New Jersey, and the Arab countries are the size of the United States, all of Central America, and Mexico combined. - 2 years ago
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3. You believe that all cultures are equally valid. This particular piece of hare-brained logic has its roots in secular multiculturalism. The loss of belief in God, particularly in oh so enlightened Western Europe, has resulted in a loss of societal values and along with that has gone the ability to differentiate good from evil and right from wrong. Cultural relativism dictates that equality is the order of the day and that all cultures are equally good. What a complete load of bollocks. If I go to Saudi Arabia I will behave exactly in accordance with their culture and customs, understanding all the while that they have certain harsh punishments for crimes that if they were committed here would result in a slap on the wrist compared to a complete loss of the wrist over there. If a Saudi comes here and enslaves his house keeper, beating her along the way such as is reported from time to time then he should expect to be given time in jail for something that isn't even considered a crime over there. But, oh no, cry the cultural relativists. We can't offend people with cartoons! We must respect their culture and bend over backwards to accommodate their disgusting values even if it means allowing Muslim women to wear the profoundly demeaning mask of oppression, the burqa, when in public here, giving moral support to the obnoxious and evil Sheik 'cat meat' Al Hilaly or agreeing to replace our own symbols for fear of offending a violent and backward religion. It demeans us and cheapens our culture. Congratulations, if you believe that all cultures are equally valid then you're a Moral Idiot.
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We live in an age of cognitive dissonance, of inverted values and of true Orwellian doublethink. The Left believes in, amongst other things, gay rights, women's rights and rehabilitation for thieves while also offering moral support to radical Islam, which hangs gays, stones errant women to death and chops the hands off thieves. The rest of us stand in bewilderment wondering why nobody has learned the lessons of the evil of socialism throughout the last century or understands the threat of totalitarianism in this one.
Given all of this topsy turvey-ness it seems to me that we need some sort of test, a guide, in order to establish whether your moral compass is tuned correctly. Here are the 3 signs that you're a Moral Idiot and let's hope that it helps guide you towards good, solid values in life.
1. You can't tell the difference between Israel and her enemies. This really is the ultimate test. If you are so dozy, so hopelessly indoctrinated with University-educated ignorance that you equate a democratic (and extremely left wing!) Israel, a country that has had to defend itself from attack for all of its existence, in which a million Arabs live peacefully alongside Jews, in which Arabs have the highest standard of living (by miles) of any country in the Middle East, in which Arabs serve on the judiciary, in which Arabs stand for, and are voted into, the Knesset (their parliament) with the suicide bombing, fanatical, genocidal, death cults known as Hamas, Hezbollah or Fatah then you are definitely a Moral Idiot and there's no hope for you.
2. You believe that the United States is the greatest threat to world peace. This sign is similar to the first sign about Israel. In order to hold this view you must forget that America fought a civil war to eradicate slavery, costing a huge number of lives, proving the moral strength that underpins its values even to this day. You must forget about America's role in saving the Allies in WWII, rebuilding the Japanese and European economies afterwards and defeating socialism during the Cold War (probably something you're still not too thrilled about anyway) and then going home afterwards when it could have annexed half of Europe. You must forget about the fact that the US is the largest provider of humanitarian aid on the planet, exceeding all other nations combined and is the first and only non-Imperial superpower in history (even France still has greater imperial influence than America). You must forget that its free market approach and entrepreneurship have driven the economies of the world forward in a way unlike the collective efforts of all nations through history. China is on the rise because of it, as is India and many others. The result? Vastly increased living standards and hugely longer life expectancy. How appalling! You must forget about the positive outcome of the civil rights movement that, while divisive and momentarily destructive, has led to equality of opportunity for all citizens of the United States. You must forget about the threat of the deranged regime of North Korea or the completely round the bend Islamic Revolution in Iran building nuclear weapons and you must laugh off their threats to annihilate their neighbours and Israel because 'they're not really serious'. You must forget about Al Qaeda's declaration of war in 1996 on the US (before 9/11, imagine that!), as well as the Lebanon peacekeepers bombing, the attack on the USS Cole, the attacks on the embassies in Africa that left hundreds dead and the first World Trade Centre attack - and you must recast all of those events into a "it's all due to US policies in the Middle East" and "we've brought it all onto ourselves" framework.
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BTW, there is more opposition to the Zionist agenda inside Israel's democracy than in the whole of the USA ;)
NOT IN MY NAME! ~~JEWISH OPPOSITION TO ZIONISM
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/not-in-my-name-jewish-opposition-to-...The Long-and Largely Untold-History Of Jewish Opposition to Zionism
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P3-1628325001.htmlJEWISH CRITICISM OF ZIONISM
http://www.mepc.org/journal/9012_corrigan.asp"At the heart of racism is the religious assertion that God made a creative mistake when He brought some people into being" - Friedrich Otto Hertz
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WhiteNoise:
Not in your name for sure. And that's a good thing too....otherwise the free democratic Jewish state wouldn't last long.
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WhiteNoise:
Silly me, I thought free speech was part of the deal ;)
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
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Israel is the great litmus test. Anyone who cannot accept an Israeli democracy is too far gone.
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OKAY people, this is getting nowhere fast ;)
Time to get back to basics on this so-called civilisation conflict between Islam & the empire & how much of it is but political pabulum for the village idiot crowd for we certainly seem to be used, abused & oh sooo confused about this mess from which the Palestinian/Zionist war is but the icing on the proverbial cake..Can everyone watch these so we can exchange on some sort of common ground later on ?
- The Power of Nightmares, (Part 1/3), "Baby it's Cold Outside"
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727&q=The+Power+of+N...
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>The Power of Nightmares Part 2: The Phantom Victory
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>The Power of Nightmares Part 3: The Shadows in the Cave
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254&q=The+Power+of+N...BTW...Doesn't Sayyid Qutb look like them tea bagger's Obama with a Hitler mustache poster ;)
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The 'palestinians' do not have a country or a language because they don't exist. They are an invention. They are Arabs who are illegally occupying Jewish land and have been ever since they brutally invaded and plundered it following the deranged and fascist teachings of the psychopath Mohammed.
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Israel has occupied Palestine. Are you saying they are not then you need to get your ass over there and see what is happening. This is a horrible occupation of a country and people. No water food housing no language no country NO PALESTIANS! NOT RITE!
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LadybugLady:
israel occupies territory just the same as russia occupies its territory just the same as we occupy our territory just the same as every nation occupies its territory through victory in military campaigns.
the entire middle east region is populated by arabs as a result of the ottoman empires' violent aquasition of territory through eliminating its indigionous people.
the people in the region suffering from lack of thier basic needs being met are not people living under israeli occupation but are the people living under the occupation of hamas. the arabs and particularly the one million muslum arabs living under israeli occupation enjoy more freedoms and civil liberties than anywhere else in the muslum world.
it is not in israel where beheadings are law it is in hamas ruled gaza
it is not in israel where opposition to the govt is met with death it is in hamas ruled gaza
it is not in israel that people are supplied with guns in lew of medicine or food it is in hamas ruled gaza
are the people of gaza suffering intolerable living conditions, undoubtedly but putting the re\sponsability for that on israel and not thier own government is scapegoating allowing the hamas tyrany on thier own people to continue - 2 years ago
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While on the other hand, the muddied waters are beginning to clear....
After all his efforts and alleged popularity, Obama has absolutely zero credit and no leverage in the Arabic-speaking world.
It is quite probable--and this is extremely important to understand--that there is nothing the Obama Administration can say or do in order to make them change their mind. After all, this is the ideal position from the standpoint of the PA, Egypt, Jordan, and others. Refuse to support talks, reap benefits by showing their militancy, and be able to blame it on Israel.
http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/2009/11/and-now-truth-becomes-clear-hilary.html
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While on the other hand ;)
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What God wants, God gets, God help us all !
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Good vs evil
Kindness vs cruelty
Freedom vs submissionThe gift of the Jews.
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Every religion should be indicted and prosecuted for taking all babys and young people and poisoning their minds by brainwashing them in the senseless realm of absolute hate. How else can you explain the hatred between Zionism and Islam, Protestants and Catholics? What intelligent Extra terrestrial would want to come here to study or mingle with violent earth people. The government would first capture or kidnap them and rush them of to some government la boratory to examine and to disect them piece by peace to see what makes them tick. That is the mindset of a barbarian race of animals or more descriptive is monsters. The human race is just plain disgusting for letting government keep them inn a stupor for life.
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So yeah ...as Goldstone says & let's all agree on this ;)
HUMANITY FIRST >DO UNTO OTHERS...
Ethic of Reciprocity / Golden Rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocityGLOBAL ETHIC FOUNDATION
http://www.weltethos.org/dat-english/03-declaration.htm
New Global Economic Ethic Manifesto Launched
http://www.weltethos.org/pdf_dat/grundwerte-wirtschaft/Global_Economic_Ethic.pdf - 2 years ago
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Provided a link toward it earlier in this post ;)
The Christians/Zionist bunch are the most pathetic chess pieces of the equation.
Their "Give the Jews a last chance before the Rapture throws them (with all of us unbelievers) in hell for eternity" is the single most sick narrative around indeed ;)
" The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same" - Marie Beyle
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whitenoise, you forgot this...
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PART 2
& furthermore...
Study alleges US sets aside own security interest for Israel's
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0321/dailyUpdate.html"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, [Israel] control[s] America, and the Americans know it."
- Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.“When it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict, the terms of debate are so influenced by organized Jewish groups like AIPAC that to be critical of Israel is to deny oneself the ability to succeed in American politics.” - Henry Siegman, former head of the American Jewish Congress
Meanwhile...
Most Jews, like most Americans, want no part of any elite Master Plan.
People who attribute all opposition to this agenda as anti Semitism are morally unctuous, self-deluded, and passive aggressive.
Goldstone is not the first to weight in his 2 cents...
"Political Zionism is an agency of Big Business. It is being used by Jewish and Christian financiers in this country and Great Britain, to make Jews believe that Palestine will be ruled by a descendant of King David who will ultimately rule the world. What delusion! It will lead to war between Arabs and Jews and eventually to war between Muslims and non-Muslims. That will be the turning point of history." (Henry H. Klein, "A Jew Warns Jews," 1947)
"History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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ANOTHER SELF HATING JEW BUT THIS ONE IS AN AUTO-PROCLAIMED ZIONIST AND HE STANDS HIS GROUND ROOTING FOR HUMANITY !
"Who can protest an injustice but does not is an accomplice to the act" - The Talmud
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Foreign nations are not supposed to lobby OUR government. Israel, itself, does not have a lobby but there is a JEWISH lobby, presumably American Jews who, in fact, lobby on behalf of Israeli interests.
Secondly, other foreign nations have, likewise, figured out how to SKIRT this issue, and maintain well-financed lobbies on K-street. The US government is ROUTINELY pimped on K-Street to the detriment of US citizens to whom the US government feels increasingly less responsible. Even the pernicious liars of the US gun lobby have more right to set up shop in the DC 'red light district' (K-Street lobbies) than have foreign nations.
Is there a quick fix ? No --EVERYONE, it seems, gets a bigger piece of the US government than the 'people' to whom it is by Constitution and law responsible.
We are basically screwed!
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stewart always falls on the left in this area.
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The Palestinians hatred against the Israeli's is not worthy of being deemed a "grievance." It is what it is, a desire for complete genocide of the Jews.
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Everybody should have the chance to spaek if peace is what is talked about.
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Hey Lay offf John Stewart! We have free speech here. If you don't like it, move to Israel. This is our country.
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This reminds me of a discussion with two of my friends in high school. One was pro-Israel and another was Lebanese. During the Israel-Hamas incident, my pro-Israel friend said, in front of my Lebanese friend, that the people in Lebanon deserved to be attacked because Hamas attacked. She said this despite the fact that my Lebanese friend said that people in Lebanon absolutely hate Hamas.
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Nobody is ever right killing another person.
And most Americans have no clue what the fuck they're talking about when they talk about the middle east.
I have friends from Lebanon. I have friends from Israel. I have friends from Palestine. This is the only way I really know what's going on there.
The news would have me believe that it's all tit for tat, and there are two extreme sides.
In reality, the people killing one another are extremists and do not represent the majority of people.
As outside observers we should not take sides with nations, we should take sides with values, like peace, love, and civility. Once we see beyond the conflict and see the people, it's easy to see that it's not black and white.
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Israel sure isn't making itself look good by flipping out every time the Palestinians try to speak. It's not as if the Palestinians came on the show and openly supported terrorist bombings in the west bank. They just came on to give their side of the story . I applaud the daily show for being one of the few shows to buck the Pro Israel club in the media.
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John Stewart and his show are great!
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So what is wrong in hearing both sides, good for the Daily show
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Isn't john stuart jewish?
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Yes. And just because I have German ancestors doesn't mean I support Hitler.
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JUDAISM AND ZIONISM ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. CHECK OUT RABBIS AGAINST ZIONISM, ITS VERY INTERESTING AND BREAKS IT DOWN.
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John Stewate's an atheist Jew, so he's at least an honest broker in the religious sense.
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So now it's The Daily Show? Is there anyone that Israel doesn't hate?
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...and more ;)
FREE THE SHMINISTIM – ISRAEL'S YOUNG CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS
http://current.com/items/89673550_free-the-shministim-israels-young-conscientiou...
The Shministim are Israeli high school students who have been imprisoned for refusing to serve in an army that occupies the Palestinian Territories. December 18 marks the launch date of a global campaign to release them from jail. Join over 20,000 people including American conscientious objectors,Ronnie Gilbert, Adrienne Rich, Robert Meeropol, Adam Hochschild, Rabbi Lynn Gottleib, Howard Zinn, Rela Mazali, Debra Chasnoff, Ed Asner and Aurora Levins-Morales and show your support by contacting the Israeli Minister of Defense using the form below. 22,000 LETTERS AND COUNTING!WEB SITE : http://december18th.org/
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PEACE, PROPAGANDA AND THE PROMISED LAND: U.S. MEDIA & THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT
http://freedocumentaries.org/theatre.php?filmid=169&id=1031&wh=1000x720OCCUPATION 101: VOICES OF THE SILENCED MAJORITY
http://freedocumentaries.org/theatre.php?filmid=208&id=1126&wh=1000x720THE ISRAELI LOBBY
http://freedocumentaries.org/theatre.php?filmid=173&id=1036&wh=1000x720"Who can protest an injustice but does not is an accomplice to the act" - The Talmud
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More self hating Jews ;)
JUDGE GOLDSTONE : HUMANITY FIRST
Amazing interview with Bill Moyers
Watch here : http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10232009/watch.htmlRICHARD GOLDSTONE: These attacks amounted to reprisals and collective punishment, and constitute war crimes. The government of Israel obviously has a duty to protect its own citizens. That in no way justifies a policy of collective punishment of a people under effective occupation, destroying their means to live a dignified life and the trauma caused by the kind of military intervention the Israeli government called Operation Cast Lead.
...and this man identifies himself as a Zionist !!!!!
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"So why did the Israeli government boycott the commission? The real answer is quite simple: they knew full well that the commission, any commission, would have to reach the conclusions it did reach."Uri Avnery (Israeli peace activist, and former Knesset member), "On the Goldstone Report" 19 Sept 2009
Richard Goldstone, former judge of South Aftica's Constitutional Court, the first prosecutor at The Hague on behalf of the International Criminal Court for Former Yugoslavia, and anti-apartheid campaigner reports that he was most reluctant to take on the job of chairing the UN fact-finding mission charged with investigating allegations of war crimes committed by Israel and Hamas during the three week Gaza War of last winter. Goldstone explains that his reluctance was due to the issue being "deeply charged and politically loaded," and was overcome because he and his fellow commissioners were "professionals committed to an objective, fact-based investigation," adding that "above all, I accepted because I believe deeply in the rule of law and the laws of war," as well as the duty to protect civilians to the extent possible in combat zones. The four-person fact-finding mission was composed of widely respected and highly qualified individuals, including the distinguished international law scholar, Christine Chinkin, a professor at the London School of Economics. Undoubtedly adding complexity to Goldstone's decision is the fact that he is Jewish, with deep emotional and family ties to Israel and Zionism, bonds solidified by his long association with several organizations active in Israel.
Despite the impeccable credentials of the commission members, and the worldwide reputation of Richard Goldstone as a person of integrity and political balance, Israel refused cooperation from the outset. It did not even allow the UN undertaking to enter Israel or the Palestinian Territories, forcing reliance on the Egyptian government to facilitate entry at Rafah to Gaza. As Uri Avnery observes, however much Israel may attack the commission report as one-sided and unfair, the only plausible explanation of its refusal to cooperate with fact-finding and taking the opportunity to tell its side of the story was that it had nothing to tell that could hope to overcome the overwhelming evidence of the Israeli failure to carry out its attacks on Gaza last winter in accordance with the international law of war. No credible international commission could reach any set of conclusions other than those reached by the Goldstone Report on the central allegations.
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[...] On a factual level, the Goldstone report is notoriously flawed and one-sided. Much of the 575-page document was cut and pasted from unsubstantiated and suspect reports from nongovernmental organizations with openly anti-Israel sentiments. Some of the "witnesses" interviewed by the mission were disguised Hamas officials. The fact that Hamas loves the report should raise eyebrows about its contents.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/19/the-un-sides-with-terrorists/
The egregiously pro-jihad and anti-Israel Goldstone Report turns out to have been initiated by the Organization of the Islamic Conference -- which explains why it was egregiously pro-jihad and anti-Israel. The OIC, don't forget, is the chief foe of the freedom of speech around the world today, and is making a concerted effort to criminalize any honest discussion of the Islamic motives and goals of the Islamic jihadists. The winners, if they succeed, would only be those same jihadists. As with the Goldstone Report. "'OIC initiated Goldstone inquiry,'" from Al-Jazeera, October 28
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/ah-that-explains-it-oic-initiated-the-goldston...
The United States voted against the report and will presumably use its veto power if action is taken before the Security Council....
Really? One would hope so, but in this age of Obama, when the U.S. cosponsors (with Egypt) an anti-free speech resolution at the United Nations, one cannot be so sure.
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I want to thank everyone here who has posted in favor of the Palestinians. I thank you from the bottom of my heart and would like to invite you to the website my village in the West Bank has set up.
This is the link:
http://www.hcsn.org/aboudyouth/main_en.html
Please keep defending our rights. Take care. - 2 years ago
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Have they ever watched the Daily Show BEFORE that interview Pro-Israeli People?!? EVERY time in the past he's mentioned the conflict to me he's displayed an Anti-Israeli stance. Literally, every single time.
Pro-Israeli Morons: "But he's a Jewwwwwwwww!!!!!!!"
SHOCKING HUH!?! A Jew who can think for himself. Jon Stewart isn't going to support you because you share a common ancestor and he's not going to support you illegal ass war.
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EmperorThan:
What? So the only Jew that thinks for himself is a Jew that agrees with you?
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EmperorThan:
Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Iraq or Iran ever was.
They refuse to let UN weapons inspectors in to inspect their nuclear program.
Many of their "defensive actions" are actually brutally aggressive, and war crimes.
And what's more, a strong majority of Jewish Israeli citizens oppose the settlements.
The US corporate media is more pro-Israel than most Israelis.
This interview showed finally the diversity of opinion on both sides-- a nonviolent peace activist from Palestine, seeking to peaceful resolution through nonviolent means, and an American Jewish woman, who was raised pro-Israeli, only to have her mind changed when she moved to Israel for her Birthright and saw first hand what the government was doing.
The only other American news show that covers the diversity of opinion in Israel on this issue is Democracy Now.
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EmperorThan:
There's not much diversity.
WE ARE RIGHT AND THEY ARE WRONG.
NO, WE ARE RIGHT AND THEY ARE WRONG.
WE WILL BLOW THEM UP.
WE WILL SIT DOWN AND TALK...as we blow them up.
neither side is better than the other and every single time someone utters that one is I have to laugh.
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EmperorThan:
JJammer, you dont' know what you're talking about here. Sorry.
I know that that's how it looks on the news, but if you've actually been there, or if you actually knew anybody from there, you'd know opinions are much more diverse on both sides of the issue.
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I find it appalling how they edited out Ms. Baltzer from the television broadcast. Israel is an Apartheid government and a greivous violator of the Geneva Convention and International Law. The truth can be hidden but for so long.
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Betico:
They shortened the interview because they ended up talking longer than planned. They offer the full interview online and they don't try to edit the interview to change a person's demeanor or opinion, though it does sometimes look like that. And it is a comedy show so they're going to keep whatever got the most laughs in the interview naturally (perhaps sadly).
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Betico:
Though I completely agree with Anna Baltzer, I really believe that her comments were just too inflammatory to put on TV. What they did air was hardly much of an attack, and still it has sparked a lot of anger. I feel what was aired was enough to get the right people to watch the extended interview online, so it was successful.
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You know in parts of the Middle East the enemy of my enemy is considered a friend. If we backed the Palestinians in this we wouldn't have to worry about terrorism or oil for a good long time.
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eldamon:
Is that What Obama Would Do?
WWOD?--technically that's What Would Obama Do? But you catch my hokey drift. It must be the go green smoke.
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The Israeli lobby is an overwhelming force in American politics. Foreign government lobbies are normally tightly controlled, but Israel does such a good job of conflating itself with both the religion and the ethnic group to the point that it can more or less avoid these controls.
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Agenda.....check.
"facts" and seriousness.....check.
controversial to make a point....check
thinking he's right......check
can't take criticism......check
defensive....check
interviewing.....check
"care" for an issue.....checkHow is he not a news program?
Oh because of "wit" like this:
"Apparently we have Joe Wilson with us tonight."
Revealing anger, bitterness and total agenda baring views.
If either side was realistic they would know that democratically speaking that all it would take is one side to kill a few and any talks of diplomacy would fall through. their eye for eye mentality is totally childish.
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J_Jammer:
He does make fun of both sides though. You will note he did go after Joe Biden and has done anti Clinton stuff. I suspect the only reason Obama hasn't gotten the hotfoot yet is he simply has yet to do anything funny. It's comedy. You could say the same of any stand up comedian or late night talk show host.
What separates him from people like Limbaugh, and I will admit the separation may not be all that huge, is that he makes no claim to do anything but tell jokes. He doesn't say that what he says is even true, whereas Limbaugh argues passionately for his points.
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J_Jammer:
He won't admit it's more than jokes because then he loses what he craves.
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psycho-babel Jammer...no credibility. You don't know what he craves -- unless of course you have a patented crystal ball there that allows you inside someone else's head -- and if you do, I would keep that info to myself.
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Incredulous
