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Obama and all other US Presidents are related, except for one

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SALINAS, Calif. -- A seventh-grader and her 80-year-old grandfather are allegedly the first people to discover that President Barack Obama is related to all other U.S. presidents except one.

BridgeAnne d'Avignon, who attends Monte Vista Christian School in Watsonville, traced that Obama, and all other U.S. presidents except Martin Van Buren, are related to John "Lackland" Plantagenet, a king of England and signer of the Magna Carta.

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115 comments // Obama and all other US Presidents are related, except for one

  • GeneKernan
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      GeneKernan  

    • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "Obviously it couldn't be a cabal of well entranched uberrich who are installing these Presidents." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
  • ThoughtNu
  • GeneKernan
  • ThoughtNu
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      ThoughtNu  

    • To find so many that can only see novelty in something this nation was meant to eliminate with it's very creation, tears at this veteran.

      Without primogeniture , no 'royal lineage' could be followed. Yet here it is exposed to have happened for hundreds of years repeatedly in the highest 'elected' office...randomly?

      This should be 'officially' investigated on behalf of all those others that have not held office for hundreds of years in a nation based on 'freedom of choice'.

    • 2 years ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • ThoughtNu:

      I think that things only appear random in absence of our ability to see the whole picture and understand in depth how things happen the way they do. There's a saying : "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to recognize & effect the things I can change, and the wisdom to know the difference" Fate is a principle founded in the sheer overwhelmingness of heavy gravity. As Plutarch said: " Fate leads all those willing to follow it, and drags all those who resist". I'm of the opinion that though George Bush Jr. may have been fated to take the Presidency away from Al Gore, the rightful winner in 2004, maybe God intended for things to turn out that way to teach us a lesson. We've had several abysmally poor people occupy the Presidency since 1972. Mad King George Dub'ya was the zenith of their incompetence. They caused more problems than they solved. And it's not like we have any shortage of dimwits to vote for the wrong person every time as in the case of McCain & Palin(or maybe Palin vs McCain). Because Kerry belongs to the same skull & crossbones rich boys club/political order as Dub'ya from the documentary the History channel exposed, it would have been a mistake for Kerry to win the 2004 election as it would have for McCain to win the 2008 election. The last thing the USA needs is any more warhawks to create any more non defensive wars. The current hombre won the Nobel Peace prize because he doesn't have the Fascism mindset that the rabble rousing warhawks do. Obviously it couldn't be a cabal of well entranched uberrich who are installing these Presidents. So relax. It's Karma, and we have to wait and see. I'm also of the opinion that within the current President's term, he may sign the M.J. decrim bill which H.R. Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts has introduced. And California may be the first State to legalize it, and win any challenge to it in the U.S. Supreme Court. That, per se, would have dramaticly great consequences in turning the USA from a place plagued by War and Depression into a place blessed with Peace and Prosperity. The Cannabis industry would solve the health care crisis, bring the USA
      out of debt, and its Hemp industry could make the USA a top producer economy instead of a consumer economy. Which would put the American dream back within the reach of Americans because it would stop making their money into toilet paper. The Japanese have pretty much the same notion as Martin Luther King had in their proverb: " The poorest of men aren't those without a penny, but rather those without a dream " Martin Luther King, Albert Einstein, and I all have the same dream: Peace. Noone could ever have anything even remotely resembling a natural life without it. Think positive. The destiny of any person and any nation depends untilmately on how you think.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
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      ThoughtNu  
    • ThoughtNu:

      I appreciate the kind words. Please don't mistake 'tears' for sorrow; they also are a sign of determination and even love.

      I am more amazed at how few understand what is being exposed by this kid and the experts that have verified her work.

      Karma I can accept a few times... but every election...shouldn't be blindly accepted. If only out of concern. Statistically such an event may happen from time to time in a country with a few 'choice descendants' based on 'public choice'; not every time.

      I wonder just how many people in America have 'this' lineage in order to make an accurate picture of the odds of such an event to reoccur without guidance?

    • 2 years ago
  • ankab
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      ankab  

    • Thestick now that you said that he does seem like his white male predecessors.
      You don't have to do no jene charts. It's like coke pepsi challenge. Most people
      can't tell the difference. I just knew it was going to be like that.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
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      ThoughtNu  
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    • Not a 'family' ;'bourgeois family' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family#Kinship_terminology

      a lineage .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage

      When following lineage based on genealogy, yes it is important if someone is 12th cousin. How else could any lineage be traced?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primogeniture

      Again :the odds of a SPECIFIC LINEAGE ( Not a Family) connected to the same 'elected' office over hundreds of years is astronomical...BILLIONS to one; against this 'fact' happening randomly just once: a 'smoking gun' in any court or to any social anthropologists; facts which point to deliberate manipulation as fun_size has wisely concluded.. by whom is still just more conjecture on the observers part.

      As to his 'grooming' as you put it, wasn't formed in Hawaii.

      His political base is in Chicago. His wife is life long friends of MLKjrs daughters. So much that their first house (which is on the market) had it's price adjusted so the young aspiring professor and family would be in the neighborhood (humble beginnings agreed)...As well as go to the same church.of local community leaders.http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/sep/11/business/chi-biz-obama-neighbor-h...

      If stats found by a seventh grader supported by members of the genealogical society and professional scrutiny across the country , may be dismissed by any casual observer, they wouldn't be facts.

      Facts don't change if a reader won't accept or tries to marginalize them. I don't see any value in marginalizing facts in favor of opinion on a story based on hard data...

      One lineage (not a family) has held the same 'elected office' for over 2 hundred years

    • 2 years ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • ThoughtNu:

      "One lineage (not a family) has held the same office for 200 years" Astonishing huh ? I believe that truth is stranger than any fiction could ever be. As a fan of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, I recall his philosophy expressed through his alter ego as the detective Sherlock Holmes, which seems to me to say as much: " In discovering the concealed truth necessary to solve a mystery, we must first eliminate all theories which do not satisfactorily address all its elements. So that whatever theory remains, however strange it may seem, must be the truth". Doyle's forensic method would have been sound according to my college Logic & Sylogisms instructor because it conforms to a reasoning technique called Reductio ad Absurdum. Basil Rathbone's and Peter Cushing's Sherlock Holmes movies demonstrated this classic method in a way that made the astonishing understandable because they were always using logic in a way that wasn't specious. So, with the exception of Martin Van Buren, the fact that a lineage has held the same office for 200 years must be a destiny that was fated to be. May be there's such a thing as a Presidential gene. Certainly an ap in lieu of a gene. I'd be more interested in pursuing why Martin Van Buren was the exception because as Webster's Dictionary has included the term "the exception proves the rule" (no pun intended since only monarchs rule).
      I suspect Martin Van Buren holds the clue to making the astonishing understandable.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  

    • Ok so when someone is the 12th cousin twice removed do they still count as being related to you? Not really. Like i said theres only so many people in the world and the chances of people sharing a common ancestor isnt nearly as small as you would think.

      An example. Obama is considered to be related to these other presidents as well. Its interesting that you would think he was groomed for the position considering he grew up from fairly humble origins being born in Hawaii to a white woman and a Kenyan man.

      Its not that theres an actual family that runs the US from behind closed doors.

    • 2 years ago
  • CarolineS
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      CarolineS  

    • This stuff is old news!! someone researched it a few years ago, and they found out that they are also related to the British Royal family, corrupt parasites like to keep it in the family i guess!

    • 2 years ago
  • trut
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      trut  

    • The British again. How many residents of the USA are related to the Plantagenets is the question I want to know.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
  • randallr01
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      randallr01  

    • I should add that both Abe Lincoln and George Washington are my 15th and 16th cousins or something like that.

      That's why I don't find any of this impressive; we all came from the same groups of immigrants.

    • 2 years ago
  • ankab
  • Daniel_Leyva
  • GeneKernan
  • GeneKernan
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      GeneKernan  

    • They are not "implementing it", wallisgirl. This house was built a long time ago, and the cosmetic touches currently (no pun) underway are finishes at best, maintenance at worst.

    • 2 years ago
  • AbsolutelyCold
  • ankab
  • ankab
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      ankab  

    • Jenna_Waterford I don't remember from my highschool history the king they called Lacky for short. Must have been asleep that day.

    • 2 years ago
  • ankab
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      ankab  

    • advertisehere sure he can if he married in the Bush I family. What a change from Mrs Obama couldn't go to Charlestown.

    • 2 years ago
  • ankab
  • parisinla
  • JeremyTG77
  • Dangergirl_16
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      Dangergirl_16  

    • Indeed, interesting & thought provoking. Since we are all related some kind of way, racism should basically fade away. I said should, but I know better.

    • 2 years ago
  • akamaial
  • TheHumanProject
  • Jenna_Waterford
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      Jenna_Waterford  

    • Sure, he signed the Magna Carta, but it's *more* fun that "Lackland" is the same guy who gets portrayed as the wicked, brother-back-stabbing Prince John in several versions of the Robin Hood legends.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • JonRaymond
  • artemis6
  • asherp
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      asherp  

    • It is pretty strange that they are all descended from the King of England who signed the Magna Carta, don't you think?

    • 2 years ago
  • ajiacoysancocho
  • AtomUniverse1
  • Miriphoto
  • NoFace
  • DanPanasenko
  • CalgarC
  • RudyRudell
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      RudyRudell  

    • I would say I am amazed at the amount of people here who don't actually read anything other then the headline, but since this is probably the fifth or sixth time I've made that comment on current.com, the amazement has died.

    • 2 years ago
  • keithponder
  • GeneKernan
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      GeneKernan  

    • If you ever get a chance to visit Cincinnati, Presscore, visit Taft's House. Ther's a nice display there that describes Skull & Bones' originators, which includes Taft's father, Alfonso.

    • 2 years ago
  • GeneKernan
  • ankab
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      ankab  

    • I wish we as readers could find out who did more work you or grandfather?
      No just kidding. It was an interesting article. Hope your teacher gives you a good grade.

    • 2 years ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  

    • They're getting to be even more related than you might surmise. I watched a History channel documentary which tied both Dub'ya and Kerry to the same rich boys club/ancient political order. So, despite what was represented by Kerry during the 2004 election, with all the melodramatic rhetoric about "the very soul of this country being at stake" , it was all for entertainment, and not change. Kerry and McCain did their time during the Vietnam Corporate war for profit. Their reward was destined to be plugged into the power structure of the very Corporations who've been running this country into the ground as Connipae has said. And now that they've got their company promotion, they advocate for the same bloody Corporations who are behind the present Corporate war for profit in Afghanistan. Monsanto,Dupont, etc.Yeah, the same Corporation,Dupont who wanted their competitor Hemp outlawed so that they could substitute nylon, and get Defense contracts..And who were some of Hoover's cabal behind the 1937 M.J. Prohibition, were also who supplied Napalm in Vietnam, and are greedily looking for new markets in Afghanistan. They must be having a tough time securing Big Oil's "client State" for the pipeline Dub'ya & Cheny thought would make them Billionaires. It took the senior Senator from W. Virginia, Mr.Bird recently to tell them: "how do you know that if more troops are sent, the other side won't match them with the same force ? " (Newton's laws of mechanics states that every action generates an equal and opposite reaction). And even if that pattern didn't materialize right away, guerilla wars like Vietnam often substitute until direct all out confrontation ensues. Have we forgotten that's how the USA got started ? All humans have the same territoriality as chimps. We all know invasions are calculated to either gain and occupy real estate, as in WW2 or gain markets & resources by invading the real estate (Afghanistan). Wars are all about real estate. Watch the movie the Thin Red Line sometime. As Mussolini said: "the perfection of the Corporate State IS Fascism" If you've been following the sordid connection between Monsanto and the Government, then you know they profit from Afghanistan too, as Big Oil would. And so the carnage continues. Humans are only cannon fodder for Corporations because to them you're either a market to secure Stateside, or a military employee to secure it abroad. As Benjamin Franklin said: "Those who would sacrifice others' Liberty for their own security deserve neither". Capitalism is a Fascist system. It took humans to invent machines. We live in a mechanized society with machine consciousness.
      Since machines can't (yet) reun the machine, they need humans to man them.
      It doesn't surprise me that all but one President is related. Maybe there's an ap or gene for that too. As Plutarch said: "Fate leads all those who accept it, and drags all those who resist" Even bhangs have gravity. (little humor there)

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  
    • PressCore:

      McCain did his time in Vietnam for profit? Shame on you! He resisted being released before other prisoners. My uncle served as a POW with him. McCain lives with the damage done to his body every day.

    • 2 years ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • PressCore:

      I never claimed that McCain did his time in Vietnam for profit. You're obviously too emotionally affected with a family member being traumatized by violence & tragedy to think straight, read correctly, and respond rationally. Your uncle knew the risks as did McCain. They both were volunteers, not draftees. They both knew they were where they did not belong. How differently would you react if you were the invaded ? And don't tell me simply you wouldn't be invaded, I don't need to hear any more arrogance. You reap what you sow in life whether you are a citizen of Vietnam or the USA. Grow up. And go bother someone else.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  
    • PressCore:

      PressCore,

      Here is what you wrote "Kerry and McCain did their time during the Vietnam Corporate war for profit." Yet when I give it back to you you take issue with it and call me emotionally involved. Why don't you reread your own quotes before responding? Well done genius.

    • 2 years ago
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • PressCore:

      I will not argue with you. I said Corporate war for profit . I did not say they did THEIR time for profit. You are compressing my statement and twisting it to suit your prejudice. Obviously your family member was imprisoned as a trespasser in a foreign country being attacked by U.S. forces while they were fighting a civil war amongst themselves. NOW END THIS. I did not post my opinion to provoke your belligerent animosity. And I will complain to Current.com and have you flagged, and your mindless attacks removed if you don't desist. There are laws against misusing the Internet to harass someone personaly. I have better ways to spend my Sunday
      than to argue with irrational people who appear convinced that being emotional gives them the right to get personal and offend others with insulting sarcasm. Try to be social at least.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
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      samthesixth  
    • PressCore:

      I cut and pasted your statement verbatim. Take whatever action you feel necessary. I took issue with your direct quote and told you why. You came back saying it was not a quote and that I was emotional. I pointed out again that it was a direct quote and you threaten to have me flagged. Whatever! A sarcastic comment about your own inability/unwillingness to acknowledge your own posting is nothing more than that.

    • 2 years ago
  • GeneKernan
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      GeneKernan  

    • As much as I abhor this, the ruling is inline with the law. The only ways around this are to find an email provider that doesn't retain email streams (NOT gonna happen, especially since those in the District of Cretins are passing laws to make them keep records longer) or to use, exclusively, encrypted email.

    • 2 years ago
  • xiola
  • tangibleparadox
  • trampfan
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      trampfan  

    • In-breds rule the world. I wonder what the cingress looks like. I am sure it's mainly the Dems who are the in-breds there. They sure don't have the brains or any logic going for them.

    • 2 years ago
  • tangibleparadox
  • SatiricalGenius
  • randallr01
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      randallr01  

    • Not too impressive to me... we're pretty much all related.

      I read an article that most of England, as well as many in America, have "royal blood" due to the thousands of out-of-wedlock and unspoken-of children that kings and princes fathered over the centuries.

    • 2 years ago
  • metalcookiesxy70
  • wmorrison13
  • ThoughtNu
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      ThoughtNu  

    • I find it disgraceful to know that one family has held the position of president for over 2 hundred years. No matter the distance of the relative from any contender. Isn't that the very reason this country was created to avoid? I hope I am not alone in my disgust. Even the ' change' president is part of the family... Don't confuse the issue with 'us' all being related because this is about a specific lineage and a specific office .

    • 2 years ago
  • advertisehere
  • ThoughtNu
  • thewallisgirl
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      thewallisgirl  
    • ThoughtNu:

      It is a family.. its like WWE wrestling .. I swear politicians play enemies on camera and "debate" issues but behind closed doors they are buddies -- its all a joke made to look "official" and "democratic" but there really is nothing democratic about it. Presidents and president elects are carefully picked every election its like flipping a double headed coin.The Nobel Peace Prize for instance was given to Obama ( supposedly they choose the nominee Feb 11th so Obama was chosen for it only 11 days after office ) Obviously Obama doesn't deserve the award but he got it anyway and it is to persuade the public that he's doing good.

    • 2 years ago
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  
    • ThoughtNu:

      @thoughtnu

      The country is hardly run by a 'family'. Im sure with enough research i could prove that im related to the George Bush or Bill Gates. We are all interrelated in some minor way.

      Also recommending your own posts doesnt make you cool.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
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      ThoughtNu  
    • ThoughtNu:

      @ FUN_SIZE-
      'cool' is your concern, I suggest what mirrors my perspective as being relevant. Just like you

      A specific lineage connected to a specific office based on public opinion(300+million people) has odds in the billions to one as to happening randomly or without 'guidance' Hundreds of years of it re occurring...?

      It has relevance to all people including indigenous perspectives within any country that is based on 'public choice'.

    • 2 years ago
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  
    • ThoughtNu:

      Ok so when someone is the 12th cousin twice removed do they still count as being related to you? Not really. Like i said theres only so many people in the world and the chances of people sharing a common ancestor isnt nearly as small as you would think.

      An example. Obama is considered to be related to these other presidents as well. Its interesting that you would think he was groomed for the position considering he grew up from fairly humble origins being born in Hawaii to a white woman and a Kenyan man.

      Its not that theres an actual family that runs the US from behind closed doors.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThoughtNu
  • thestick
  • samthesixth
  • EmperorThan
  • isnamthere
  • Alanisnotcool
  • bailey78
  • shanklinmike
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      shanklinmike  
    • Alanisnotcool:

      I believe we all came from the same root, whether big bang, God....who knows.....

      regardless, it is not the black race, the white, race, the yellow race, the purple ra......

      we are the HUMAN race, and we all have ties to each other.

      Still, this article makes me want to research how deep they are related...

    • 2 years ago
  • thewallisgirl
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      thewallisgirl  
    • Alanisnotcool:

      haha well if you put it that way, we are all One, and we are the imaginations of ourselves and we need each other to define us. Saints need Sinners! So GAME ON! We are REALLY at war with the corporations!!!!!!

    • 2 years ago
  • EtVoila
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      EtVoila  

    • As human beings, our DNA is 99% identical to every single other human being on the planet.

      We're all very closely connected to each other, and it's a shame that many do not realize this.

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
  • Marbled_Godwit
  • mojojuju
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      mojojuju  

    • Well, geez, if they'd trace back through the tree a little further, they'd find that all presidents are related, even Martin Van Buren. It all depends on how far along the branches they wish to go.

    • 2 years ago
  • hunzedog
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      hunzedog  

    • fu)K......... loan uncle hunzdog some money. i want to open a grow store..biggest grow store in Florida....what about it BO ? FIRE IT UP ?

    • 2 years ago
  • tangibleparadox
  • hunzedog
  • Revelation_Machine
  • hunzedog
  • thestick
  • hunzedog
  • hunzedog
  • DJSoundBored
  • Chapisbored
  • Numbz
  • ZeldaMasterZapp
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      ZeldaMasterZapp  

    • It's not so far fetched that they're related, most people around you are related, without even knowing it, thinking they're just friends, you could be sleeping with your long lost cousin, aunt, or uncle without even knowing it.

      I bet you, that I'm related to at least one of these presidents if I do that thing with genes and hell, I'm black, but my ancestry proves white, french, eastern Indian, and native American.

    • 2 years ago
  • asherp
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      asherp  
    • ZeldaMasterZapp:

      My ancestry includes Irish, English, Welsh, French, German, Native American, and North African people. I have no idea what that makes me. Mostly white, I suppose.

      Interestingly, my ancestors were also owned as slaves-- white slaves.

    • 2 years ago
  • ZeldaMasterZapp
  • PirateSauce
  • shanklinmike
  • thewallisgirl
  • thewallisgirl
  • ZeldaMasterZapp
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      ZeldaMasterZapp  
    • thewallisgirl:

      I'm sorry but, wtf are elite? Your conspiracy theorist deserve your right place in padded rooms, with big muscle guys shooting you up with nerve killers. Elite is only what you douches perceive as "Elite" and if the think they're elite, just because of money or anything else, they're not. Until they sprout wings in public, prove skin of steel, then no they aren't elite.

    • 2 years ago
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