Why growing virgin vegetable oil to burn is crazy

Definitely.

I am glad that you recognized this article as only mimicking the usual denigrating language found in forums, it actually highlights true madness caused by greediness.

I will wait for your link and will be glad to share my opinion about that issue.
Thanks

As I was preparing my followup, ...well, it seems I simply have too much to say on this "issue" I brought up. I think it is an important issue, requiring more attention than can reasonably be addressed here.

So I will try to summarize (still 2 posts though)...

I think my concerns have been stated above.
I was meaning to speak further to the debasing manners and attitudes in general that are not only rampant here, but also with so many of those who represent our interests...
...demeanors I feel human beings often embrace way too easily in their careless sense of entitlement to what they seek to promote or defend, thereby failing to do either, ...or do any good at all,
...demeanors that have no place in the mouths or actions of our leaders and representatives.

Not to just speak to them, but to be speaking to identifying the root, the source of the misguided understandings (putting it gently) that makes these behaviors seem supportive to us, while the opposite is what is true.

But, okay, that's a little over the top for here. Lets see if I can stick to the issue...

When faced with, say, stupidity gone crazy (if you will, and I would recognize your example as a most suitable one, lookatmypix), it can be extremely challenging to sort out the difference between 'evil intention' and / or misguided programming, and not presume to simply lash out.. To Not presume to simply invalidate 'the other one' when addressing a seeming invalid issue.. To maintain "the language of diplomacy", and sort out what that may "need" to look like (whether that be effort via gracious language or an equally gracious movement toward cutting off the other's head [as may be required]).

And many think that if there is, for instance, "evil intention", that this then is reasonable grounds for "tossing the baby out with the bathwater". Utterly discounting the life of the "evil-doer" while we go to "irradicate their evil"... without realizing that has certain destructive ramifications to ourselves and what we seek to uphold and protect.

We human beings can be quick to judge, and arrogant with what we think we know, and the greater our fear (or greed), the quicker to judge and more self righteous we become.
= arrogantly aggressive

If we seek to have our 'ideals' coelesce into our greater reality, I feel individuals must give them due process in the patterns we create in/thru ALL our daily words and actions ...unwaiveringly as we are able. I believe this can be a great teacher, and facilitator of creating productive things in our lives, and nurturing each other beyond our fears and predjudices, and creating space for people to come together and better leaders to come forth, and for cleanly tapping into the abundant wealth on this planet that is accessible to (and here for) us. (A great challenge, indeed.)

I do not believe there is scarcity on this planet. I believe we created the scarcity we experience, and it will be our lot as long as we cling to our delusions.

The lead into this was ..."The issue for me is... when and how do we cry foul, and why does it matter? " For me it looks like this (hopefully ;^)...

I see it is a circle of life we live in, that we "share"... so how could one presume to utterly dishonor another's life without dishonoring their own? How could one presume to honor the gift of their life without honoring all life? Its a contradiction, one that won't sustain us.

When I have made commitment to something, I have a duty to speak up to what I see. However, this provides no license for simply invalidating another's life, even if that life is harboring (perceived) evil intention, or even if I have to go so far as taking that life in order to protect my own or what it is I hold sacred (my family, etc).

...continued next...

Take that last comment. I figure, while protecting my family, if I take a life out of anger or hatred, now disconnecting from the sense of what it is I am protecting, what I hold sacred, ...that anger or hatred is now what I am left holding and protecting (because it engulfs me), and I thus lose connection with the very thing that was originally my choice for sustaining me. I would pray it would not go like this... that I would have the strength to maintain the integrity of my choice, and let that guide me at every step, and thereby lend every potential opportunity (for something better) to the situation, to the very last.
I know the minute I buy into my fear, prejudice, self-righteous sense, etc ...that its over for me.

When I address an issue, seems it is more 'sustainable' to be considerate not to presume to attack and invalidate the integrity of the other person, even if they seemingly have none (for how many times has that been me?!) ...unless I honestly think it is going to help.
..It matters because, if we are truly trying to communicate toward discovery and building something better (sustainability, society, "bridges") then it serves no purpose to discount the other entity, even if we must discount what they present.
When I flippantly discount another, I act as a force against what I think I otherwise seek to support. And how can I hope to build something "together" if the answer is so easily to "toss out the other one" if they give in to stupid crazy sh-t? Eventually we'd have to get rid of everyone.
Oh wait, that's what we are doing actually... sending as many citizen's to prison as possible in order to "fix" our society... yeah, that's a sustainable method for building community... (way too much to say about that...)

These remarks are too shallow to really be serving to substantively paint the picture or make the point.
I see a lot of otherwise well meaning and good people fall into the trap of self-righteous and arrogant (destructive) behavior, including myself, and its very challenging to deal with to say the least.
I perceive there are powerful forces in our societal construct at work influencing this, and not only are many are loathe to see it, many do not even perceive a need to address it.
I wish I could take a big stick and slap people to freaking wake up and snap out of it. We cannot heal the hating and self-destruction until we figure out how to use our virtues in right relation with what we hold sacred... no matter who you are or what that is for you.

Part of the thing I had written included a reference to indigenous mindset.
Western mind (especially) fails/stuggles to understand that the area "outside the circle" (outside of sanctuary of the established societal construct) is still our "collective" turf. Things, or those living, seemingly outside our circle are not separate from us because "they are out there and we are in here". The circle simply defines the boundaries of our current understanding in order to facilitate dimension to our whole reality. This sense of dimension serves to help us thrive (in every way). If we discount something we hold "outside", we do it equally to what we hold "inside".
(This is typical of many indigenious culture's way of thinking. {But since they generally do not score as high in IQ measure of intellect, they are said to be "not as intelligent" and their understandings "not [as] valuable", and thus much of their "traditional understandings" are swept aside as useless. I beg to differ, but that's another discussion.})

This is so long many won't read it. Sorry to bend your ear so far. Believe me, this is a fraction of what I originally wrote, and rewrote 2 more times.
I hope the kernal of the point is somewhat honored here anyway, and did not become muddled.

lookatmypics said, "I cannot imagine that we are trying to stray away from oil dependency and any other non renewable source of energy only to fall back again in the same trap."

Well, I can imagine it happening if we do not get past our own arrogance. Even good tools can be put to poor or contrary use if we persist in our old habits of thinking.

My thought there is that if, say, cutting down all the trees seemed like such a good idea because of the confidence we have in our ability to think better than nature, than we had better be careful to reflect on that method of thinking before our next brilliant idea gets us in even more trouble.

Even a better idea or tool can get us into trouble if we have no self-reflection as to our methodology, currently firmly rooted in "we think we know better". So I keep pointing out how I am not against the good ideas, only that we need to be considering all the players, like political and corporate agenda's, and all the rest. Otherwise our new better tools are going to buck back and bite us.

Just my "two-sense" on that one.

I thought my post was deleted.. still sitting at 0 Comments ??