Gay marriage loses In Maine

really all the things u canget away with in this country and people still arent allowed to fall in love an b with the person theu love?!?!how can soo many people b so stupid

Haha owned. Go cry it off.

I have a better clue than you do.

You're not paying attention to what it is I'm saying. You're focusing on what you wish me to say.

So in essence you're arguing with your own version of who you wish to argue with.

Nothing you said was a reply to anything I stated.

It is not a civil rights issue. it is not a human rights issue. It's an issue of pride.

Because if they actually used their brains all 50 states would allow civil unions. But they do not. They piggyback on past events which is why failure is an option.

Entering into a contract with another human being to love, honor, and cherish, is a human rights issue. No matter how many times you say it isn't doesn't make it true.

I don't support marriage in any form. Marriage is a religious institution. Civil unions are civil contracts and religion has no place in it.

Laughing to yourself? Maybe you should have that checked out before it becomes a problem.

All people have a constitutional right to their pursuit of happiness. Forming a life long partnership is not infringing on the rights of others.

Perhaps you need to be schooled on what human rights are because, based on your comments, you haven't got a clue.

Good thing you did that whole "you just rendered your whole contribution irrelevant" by making a comparison to civil rights first. You beat me to it.

It is not a human rights issue. Marriage is a word. It's a pride issue.

stop making me laugh.

What a completely ignorant response "gay people made up a reason". It is a human rights issue, unless you are one of those people who think that being gay is a choice?

You just rendered your whole contribution irrelevant by making such ignorant statements as the one I quoted above.

I was thinking it was a "saying" and in that post I was going to put that that is a stupid saying. It is a stupid saying. Looks like I put it in this reply.

Karma is a joke and fake. But that's beside the point...isn't it? Yes.

Do you think I care that you are asking me if you care? *shakes head* no I do not. Consideration for other people's views isn't something that this site is very good with. Not the site itself but those that post here. It's fun watching people try to go against what they really are like to be accommodating....but they can't hold that fakeness for long and then they break down and start being belittling and attacking people for their views.

They are not both human right issues. Black people had a reason for being upset. Gay people made up a reason and then tried to use struggles of the past to make theirs more valid. It doesn't work that way. They are piggybacking on other people's pain in hopes to garner sympathy instead of actually trying to fix the problem they are making it worse just by the way they are acting in the political arena and in the person in person relationship.

And the BIG difference between black and gay struggles is that black people cannot hide that they are black.

Oh metaphorical violence. Is that anything like when teenagers write in their journals how they want to kill people or making a hit list? They didn't do anything, they are just being metaphorical...venting their frustration with people that don't think just like them...rid them off the planet then all things will be better. Or in Current-ese "rid the world of religion and conservatives/republicans and the world would be a better place". Adorable.

Justifying violence is gross.

Do you think that I care if you care? Karma is a way of saying that "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." It isn't rocket science or mystery voodoo. Karma is a real thing.

Also I am not making a comparison about the black struggle with the gay struggle, although they are both struggles in human rights. My point was completely lost on you based on your reply. You reacted to the fact that I mentioned black and gay in the same post and then set about trashing my opinion. Good Job Jammer at demonstrating your illustrious oppositional skills and targeting me with your self serving commentary.

What you perceived as a threat of violence is a metaphorical or hyperbolic way of demonstrating the "action/reaction" principle. Everyone knows that when you bottle up pressure that keeps building, eventually that pressure is going to explode violently.

The pressure for equality is a tremendous force that will eventually blow up in the faces of those who oppose it. That is Karma.

To everyone who has posted on this thread, you all need to wake up to one important fact. Marriage became regulated by the government of the United States as a way to prevent blacks from marrying whites. Laws were created in certain states to require marriages to be registered or licensed by the state. Huge amounts of cases were litigated and the resulting decisions moved the Federal Government to get in on the regulation. Before the issue of regulating interracial marriage emerged, people went to their religions to get married. You didn't go to the Justice of the Peace to get married.

That is why I fully support throwing religion out of the regulation of marriage, which in its most truest form, a civil contract between consenting individuals. All unions, from the standpoint of the state, should be CIVIL UNIONS. Give marriage back to religions. If people want marriage go to your FUCKING CHURCH and get one.

LIVE and LET LIVE or if you keep trying to tell us how to live WE ARE GOING TO FUCK YOU UP!!!

Those of you who want to deny MARRIAGE EQUALITY to others because of their "lifestyles" are creating a huge backlash of KARMA. It will literally blow up in your faces if you continue on your headstrong trajectory.

They sealed their loss by doing the same stupid things over and over again. They lose because they can't think creatively. They'll continue to lose until they do more than what they read in history or what they compare themselves wrongly to.

A week later and it still makes me smile.

...The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision...

@ibrakeforrapper, you toally missed the point of that quote from George Washington. He didn't mean what he said because he believed that the Bible was the infalible word of god, he said that because he already knew that the Bible is the best tool to use to govern with, because of the fear that it instill in the hearts of ignorant men. If it were not for the bible, we would have had no need for a declaration of independence.

George Washington: "The United States is in no sense founded on Christian Doctrine."

I see rapper has been mounting a holy jihad while I've been gone. I came back to find all kinds of bible quotes fouling the place.

Dammit, I thought we were supposed to be making progress? Marriage shouldn't be a heterosexual privilege. Such bull crap.

If gays are allowed to marry God will be pissed and there will be a great big flood and a talking snake. I'm scared of snakes, especially talking ones.

God told me all the religious bigots are going to burn in their own hell. God wants you to know that there aren't any boy angels or girl angels in heaven, every being is the same. There isn't going to be marriage. You will no longer be male or female. You will be gender neutral, like the angels. Oh and there will be sex, lots and lots of sex, forever and ever Amen.

President Barack Obama on Oct. 28 signed a defense bill that includes a useless, senseless, unnecessary law – one that greatly expands the authority of the federal government to punish people who commit violent crimes against homosexual men, lesbians, transsexuals and transgendered persons.

The new law will certainly make activists representing these people feel better. But it won’t make them any safer, and isn’t that the point of our justice system?

i forget where exactly is that passage in the bible that says wich people are allowed which rights. was it the part where we are all gods children no thats not it.
love your enemy ooops no love the sinners nope.
its thier favorite part where jesus is persecuted to the point of death.
congrats you have read the bible so intensely without critical thought you have become the romans in the scenario it seems to relive the passion of christ and with the lack of a messiah to lavish your hate upon the gays have fit that role.
i hope when you gus die you see zues cuz jesus is just going to ask you in disbelief "really?"

Two things 'separate but equal' is outright bigotry = UNAMERICAN HATER BS!

Secondly the 'values' argument is a thin veneer for the first option, a religious argument, or both. Given the 1st Amendment I feel any law prohibiting Gay Marriage, from municipal up to national, is expressly unconstitutional.

To bad administration we hate America and we want it to slowly choke to death stacked a bunch of nobs on the Supreme Court.

MOB RULE

If it is not religious then why is it done in a church and "before God and friends." Marriage is very religious. And religious people cant tell you what not to do, but in the same respect you cant make them accept what you are doing either. TWO WAY STREET.

American are very pushy/bullies. We even try to tell each other what our religions should and should not be. We all could benefit from learning some boundaries.

Civil marriage has been defined by the state since the inception of the constitution and has nothing to do with religion (or even the question of whether "marriage" means one man and one woman). Yet it's seen as problematic to religion. The question really is: why? It's not religious marriage.

EASY ANSWER: Separate the issues from the religion.
I believe gays should have the same "legal rights" as married people... sure why not. I would vote yes to that! Just call it something else, so that my religion is not impacted by it! The law should just allow every person to "legally bind themselves to ONE other person, and get the benefits that 'married' people do". If fact "marriage" should be 100% a religious thing and not a legal issue at all! Separate church and state.

Each Person = One legal bond per life. DONE!

I must say, I think it is wrong for gays to ask Christians (even the bad ones who don't follow their own rules) to change the definition of an idea/word in their religion. By asking people to "vote" to allow the word "marriage" to now include gays is asking them to change their religion. And that is not ok! Call it something else.

Don't put Christians in a situation were they have to judge/vote if YOU BEING GAY IS OK. Cause their religion say IT IS NOT! And they not gonna have God asking them why they didn't uphold his rules so you can do what you wanna do.

....dont just react to this posting....let it sink in for a minute.

Gez, One the way to one step forward and then something like this and two to 8 steps backwards.
I fulling think that with-in the next few year's it'll become legal. Look at the past 60 some odd years and every in-difference in typical white america has come out and become known and formed rights. Pretty much every race that was looked down on has rights when in the 40's there were "colored bathrooms". We're on our way towards equality. Someday soon.

We must sue the state of Maine in federal court. The legislative process has failed, and this is pure discrimination. An entire group of people's marriage rights were voted away at the behest of religious slobs. We must make them pay for their disgusting actions!

We must sue in court, or put disgusting religious bigot corporation up for a vote! I hate religious zealots!

Cry me a river...........It's a real shame when the WILL OF THE PEOPLE is validated, and rule by government legislation and lawsuits fail. That is why we vote. So the people can make their voice heard. Of course, using the courts to force the issue is how the agenda is pushed, because the common people will wisely reject it, by their vote.

Farmington, ME: the results were astonishing. Religious extremists were putting ads everywhere all over Maine to outnumber the total of all the political signs of the presidential election. Furthermore, anywhere on the internet that had an ad paid for by Google, was Yes on 1. There were a significant number of outside supporters of churches fronting a lot of money toward this. Unfortunately most of Maine is poor and couldn't think of that level of advertisement. If we keep bringing it up every year, maybe supporters will eventually run out of money to throw away?

I STILL don't understand why it is legal to deny any human being of equal rights...

As a lifelong Mainer, this REALLY pissed me off. I only know 3 people that are opposed to gay marriage; my rediculously religious mother and grandparents. I am shocked that this passed. Ignorance intolorance and religious indoctrination are destroying this country.

lionessgrrl,
WOW,
"the greatest threat to heterosexual marriage, is heterosexual marriage. these elderly redneck hillbillies have got to die off sometime, right?"
Is this a comment from someone who seeks equality?
No wonder innocent heterosexual men are prosecuted in Maine is this also a way to break up "heterosexual marriage" and live the children suffer while their innocent fathers are in prison?
It appears Maine is very "progressive" and the Witch Hunt that is taking place there is flourishing.

To be clear, I support the civil rights under the US Constitution for all minorities including the LGTB community. I am not gay nor do I presently claim to personally know one single person who is openly gay at this time.

All people are equal in the eyes of the laws of the land and the US Constitution.
A clear majority agrees with me.

Fuck the bible, it means nothing to me and has nothing whatsoever to do with either law or morality. The bible is a fraudulent document created to enslave human beings and 'morally' justify the same.

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

the greatest threat to heterosexual marriage, is heterosexual marriage. these elderly redneck hillbillies have got to die off sometime, right?

So the Yankees turn out not to be the enlightened progressives that we mistook New Englanders for?

Kudos to Maine from a gay man.

its about time!!!!!!

"Separation of church and state"

It's both depressing and awe-inspiring that this idea, being centuries old, is still utterly lost on an ignorant ocean of people in the year 2009.

After all, its only one of the founding virtues of our country.
Strange how easily they forget it...but not surprising, as they do the same damned thing with the tenants of Christianity.

And before anyone gets all huffy, here is the definition of ignorance:
"The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed."
It's not an insult, merely a verifiable fact.
An opportunity, even. You know - to learn something new.

Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Funny, here it says all persons.
I guess we're allowed to skip that part. It worked so well for segregationists!

Sad. Why would gay people even want to live among such miserable closed-minded peers. How about a drive for gay and gay friendly people to move to one state, then we'd have enough votes to equalize the law.

this is not right...

just about every one who has commented this far shares the same heartbreak I'm experiencing. it shouldn't even be experienced but there is something comforting about the underlying connection we all share. it seems we are all accepting and enlightened in a sense.
with time our light will shine through.
right?

Thursday, April 30, 2009-For the first time in a nationwide survey, more Americans say they support gay marriage (49%) than oppose it (46%), according to the latest Washington Post/ABC poll.

It will happen but the road is long and difficult.

Hm... Should we just abandon the right to vote and call in 12 of the worlds most enlightened people to decide what's right or wrong? When America is ready, it will pass. There's too much desire for instant gratification nowadays. Have patience, don't be demoralized, and keep fighting. But DONT force your beliefs on others, that go's for the both of you.

I do not see anyone crying over the Witch Hunt which destroyed the lives of innocent people and their families in Maine!

Shenna Bellows, executive director of the Maine Civil Liberties Union, said she was disappointed by Tuesday’s results.
“My heart aches because gay and lesbian couples living together in Maine are still denied the over 400 rights that are allowed under civil marriage,” she said.

Why Maine Civil Liberties Union is not addressing these issues,
1) Domestic violence organization turned an abused man away and chose to give assistance to his abusive wife instead.
2) In Hancock County Maine where radical feminist philosophy that that all sex between men and women is rape and that women just don’t realize that they are being raped even by their partners is being put to practice by the District Attorney’s office.
3) Men in the community have been criminally charged for such alleged crimes as splashing water on their wives, spitting, for “terrorism” due to offensive song lyrics, visual aggression, and for what often can be viewed as any action against a female.
3) A class “A” gross sexual assault charge, which is a frequent charge against men in Hancock County, and one of the easiest and most profitable for a prosecutor to undertake.
4) One Bangor television station aired an interview with a local rape crisis center official who stated that even if a woman falsely accuses a man of rape, it is most important for law enforcement to believe the woman, act on her report, and do exactly what she wants them to do.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/10/23/false-rape-witch-hunts-gone-wild/

Holy crap America. Canada voted it in back in like 2002. We didn't have huge riots or social upheaval. Just give them the right to marry and we wouldn't even have to have this discussion anymore. IF YOU THINK GAY MARRIAGE IS WRONG, DON'T HAVE ONE. IF YOU THINK INTERACIAL MARRIAGE IS WRONG, DON'T HAVE ONE. It's not rocket science: don't force your belief on others.

all pepole should be able to choose who they love weter its the same sex are not we should not judge who they love and want to be with

You know, I've been reading the back and forth crap all night. Respect each others views and shut up - on both sides!!! We as American's have rights. Whether this judgement is right or wrong, everyone has the right to think or believe or feel how they want to. Stop pushing your stupid ideal off on others. I'm personally hetro, but I personally think it would suck if someone dictated to me who I could and couldn't marry. - I think you would agree. Shut up and go sleep it off!

Not surprising. The only explanation I can think of is that people think it's gross and they don't want to see it. They don't want to have to talk to their children about it. Selfish it seems.

More proof that, so far, America is NOT the land of the free.

It is what it is !

Yes. Voting on civil rights seems like a good idea to me. Now lets vote on whether or not to breathe...

shameful

Perhaps there should be a new strategy (or an additional one) to go after things that are prejudiced toward people who are married, such as tax exemptions, etc. If people who are gay can't legally get married then they should have a good case against policies and laws that favor people who are married.

I'm sorry only a few people in Maine destroyed the rights of many in that state. But don't worry guys. Just pick yourself up, brush yourself off and get back in the fight. Because you've just lost a battle but the war isn't over.

Personally I think Marriage as a union thru the American government is an intrusion of the separation of church and state. It should be downgraded into Civil Unions--so everyone could be married and religion is not force upon the government.

Please dont blame Chrisitanity for this, Im a Christian myself and i completely support gay rights. The Bible taught us to love and accept everyone, and thats the way I live my life. I think some people use religion as a way to disguise fear and prejudice.