Pot Gangs Infiltrate Indian Reservations
source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125736987377028727.html?mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&
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Cultivating marijuana in Indian country represents a new twist in the decades-old illicit drug trade between Mexico and the U.S., the world's largest drug-consuming market. For decades, Mexican drug gangs grew marijuana in Mexico, smuggled it across the border, and sold it in the U.S. But in the past few years, they have done what any burgeoning business would do: move closer to their customers.
Illicit pot farms, the vast majority run by gangs with ties to Mexico, are growing fast across the country. The U.S. Forest Service has discovered pot farms in 61 national forests across 16 states this year, up from 49 forests in 10 states last year. New territories include public land in Colorado, Wisconsin, Michigan, Alabama and Virginia."
We gotta take our country back. If we abide by the Constitution, end prohibition and let people be free, we wouldn't have these problems.
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dkl165
u got that wrong. conniepae wasn't spinning things in Albert said in our favor. the quote was simply to bring to attention the other times prohibition has been used, and it has been an utter failure.
all your looking at is the negative aspects of cannabis, and you say it should be illegal because of it. take in all aspects of this substance both good and bad... you know as well as i do that the positive effects that legalization would greatly outweigh the negatives.
have you realized that in its over 3000 years of use no one has died because of it? as a matter a fact it has actually helped to save millions of lives across the world.
now put all quotes and everything aside and just leave plain hard facts on the table.... which do you see as being more beneficial to the economy, the people, and the earth.... and honestly weigh the facts positives against the negatives..
billions saved and generated
safer medical treatment(not the safest, but certainly safer the more than half of the over the counter drugs being sold today)
billions of acres of trees saved
more room in prisons for actual criminals like murderers and rapists.
less drug dealers, and decreasing the power for drug cartels
better use of law enforcement
well i could just keep going on but you can get the picture and if not do some more research. basically what i am saying is that no marijuana is not some perfect plant that here to solve all our problems, but this plant can help to solve most problems and there are better ways to use cannabis such as eating or vaporizing it.
now i wont tell you to change your mind cuz well obviously that's not going to happen, but what i do hope that you will do is open it up just a little bit to see the other side of the argument.
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serenden68
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dkl165
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serenden68:
I keep hearing this same old same old open my mind. Every time a hemp article comes up, there are 10 people advocating the smoking of it. They say nothing is wrong with smoking it, it is a harmless drug. You yourself say that no one has died from it diminuizing its harsh effects on the body. All these type of quotes are from twisted , false, marijuana promoting websites and I will not stand for that. Marijuana is bad for your health, and there is no reason a healthy person has to smoke it!
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dkl165
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serenden68:
well if you actually read what i said then you would know that i said marijuana isnt the safest thing, and i know this, but its safer than more than half of the over the counter drugs being sold at your local pharmacy or even on tv.
and yes i did mention that no one has died because thats an important fact, no one has died in its over 3000 years of use. and all you talk of is the harsh effects it has on the body, well if you use a vaporizer all of that is irrelevant, if you eat it all of that is irrelevant. the only thing you would then be able to talk about is the effects it has on the mind, and those effects vary from person to person, strain to strain.
i say open your mind to see the other side of the argument because you will never fully understand the whole subject until you do so. i have and i do, which is why i am for legalization. i understand that any smoked substance regardless of its positive effects has its negatives too.
what i also understand is that nothing in this world is perfect, everything can either kill you or harm your body in some way. in the case of cannabis the positive effects it has on your body greatly outweigh the negative effects... i never said that its harmless because its not, but i did say that it has huge advantages and its been greatly beneficial to those who needed it to fight things like cancer, asthma, arthritis, migraines and many other illnesses or ailments.
i also said put all quotes aside and leave only hard facts on the table. fuck what people say listen to documented facts. if you listen to nothing else listen to the facts.
now most of the quotes stated are actual quotes that were written by these presidents, inventors, professors and officials, although i will say that neither side is innocent of falsifying things.
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serenden68
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serenden68:
and as for that last statement if you really did some research its only really harmful for those who are still growing, if your body has already reach its prime (19-26) then smoking cannabis could, and has been documented to, reduce bone and tissue degeneration with age.
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serenden68
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serenden68:
How about, just because I want to smoke it? I am 54 years old. My sons are grown. I've been married to the same man for 37+ years. I am in perfect health. Who are you, or anyone else to tell me what I can, or can not do in the privacy of my own home? I strongly disagree with your assumption, of what is and is not fact! I believe what I live. You sir are ill informed. I don't care if you are educated, or not, but you are making yourself look foolish.
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Conniepae
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Cannabis hemp could generate a new industrial revolution for the people of America. There would be no 'pot gangs' if our own representatives were not spinning disinformation for 'corporate gangs' who are more interested in protection from a natural competitor 'cannabis hemp', than the Americans they represent.
Politicians have been afforded the luxury of lies for too long. It's time to hold them accountable. If they are going to spin facts, they should be held accountable when their facts are untrue. Lies and disinformation should not be sociably acceptable. Facts matter. The truth matters most.
People like acontradiction, should not make policy. That's just 'madness'! We know it's 'madness', yet we have to watch our own government perpetuate a 'war' on a plant, using false facts. It's time to stop the 'voices of madness' from participating in the discussion. The 'voices of madness' have led us down the path, where 'pot gangs' are a problem.
If our politicians had followed the 'Voices of Reason', instead of the 'voices of madness' we would not be confronted with 'pot gangs'.
"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." - Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)
"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
- George Washington, U.S. President"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
- John Adams, U.S. President"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use... Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana." - Jimmy Carter, U.S. President
"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan, renown scientist, astronomer, astrochemist, author and TV host
"Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?" - Henry Ford, whose first Model-T was constructed from hemp fibers and built to run on hemp gasoline
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln
"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." - Albert Einstein quote on Hemp
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Conniepae:
The issue is not hemp connie pae, the issue is smoking it. You want unspinned facts? How about the fact that smoking it is not good for you?
How can you conclusively conjecture that Albert Einstein was talking about marijuana? You stated "Albert Einstein quote on hemp". This is utterly false and you are guilty of spin yourself. The quote was made in reference to the prohibition laws of alcohol of 1920. He made this quote in 1921.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9802E1DB153AEF33A2575...
In the above NY times article from 1921, he 's cited as saying how the prohibition is an American success story. I think you're pulling your info from convoluted pot sites yourself. Full of spin!
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Conniepae:
I wouldn't even want to start getting into the irregularities of your other quotes. They would be too spinny!!
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honestly? hasn't the govt. been trying to do that for the longest time? where has that gotten us... a couple billion dollars in debt, over crowded prisons, stronger drug cartels as well as even more drug dealers, high crime rates involving incidents while dealers are selling or law enforcement busting houses or plantations... the list just keeps going on. the only way to stop most of if not all of that is to legalize.
people aren't gonna buy shit from a trigger happy drug dealer with tainted product, if the govt. sells the same thing in a safe place with product that you know is 100% pure.
not only that id rather my money go to something like rehabilitation programs or drug education or even filter back through the system to me(this would also keep more money with in the system), than to have the dealer spend that money on a gun or a whore, or cartels building more power..
and as for medical advantages.... its not bullshit. if you would actually take the time to read then you would know about the well documented instances where cancer patients, people suffering form migraines, insomnia, arthritis has had huge benefits due to the use of cannabis, and in some cases would swear that the only reason their alive is because of it.
do a little bit of research and you might actually learn something, don't just take what someone says at face value. don't take what i say at face value... do some research on this then come back and bring a coherent argument on why this should stay illegal, until then all you are displaying is ignorance to the truths.
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serenden68
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serenden68:
You do a little research on the ill effects of marijuana and maybe you'd learn something. Marijuana is good for those who are already on their deathbed, but that's about it. Anything less, and it just helps to kill them faster.
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serenden68, I really don't want our government selling cannabis. We are a free market economy. I think private industry can grow, manufacture and process cannabis hemp. It could be an industry unto it's self. The potential is so vast, it's hard to list all the possibilities. It's 'green' and 100% biodegradable. Our landfills are full of waste, which takes many, many years to biodegrade. I think it's worth researching the difference how hemp and plastic biodegrade.
It's time to reclassify cannabis, thereby freeing hemp for industry.
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serenden68:
ok conniepae, my mistake you are absolutely right..
but you get the main point of my argument right?
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serenden68:
serenden68, I was not insinuating you were wrong. I agree with you 100%. I just want investors to get excited about 'new industry' in America. I would like to see ordinary Americans prospering from cannabis hemp. We need jobs and environmentally friendly products.
I whole heartedly appreciate your efforts. Thanks for all your comments!
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Typing in all caps is also a sign of a weak mind.
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Geeze! Lets just legalize this shit so we can stop spending billions on wasting time & resorces already. I'm so over this nonsense.
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acontradiction:
woow tell that to the cancer patient that can't eat. Do you ever drink? If not forgive the rest of us that don't share your crazies. I agree that it takes streangth to overcome addiction, and that some don't have that strength, but not that only the weak find themselves addicted. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug. LIFE IS A GATEWAY DRUG. Pot is harmless and makes ppl happy and hungry, where's the victim??
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acontradiction:
Pot is not harmless Connie Pae!!!! What matters is what was the intent of growing this pot? It certainly wasn't to help poor cancer patients! Guilty of spin again! Idon't know why you're so obsessed with the word spin anyways when you seem uncertain as to its actual meaning.
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acontradiction:
What comment are you referring to, which I am guilty of spinning? Those quotes are fact! When Abraham Lincoln make the comment -- "Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." - Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany) -- he was talking about smoking 'sweet hemp' in other words 'cannabis'!
And, as far as your comment, informing cannabis is not harmless, 'What is harmless'? You can come after me personally if you would like, but it won't change the facts. Spin (distorted facts) and many times 'out and out lies 'have been used to perpetuate the war on cannabis.
Quote from Ronald Reagan, he was afforded the luxury of a lie and many ordinary Americans were none the wiser. They mistakenly assumed he would have been corrected, if it were not true. -- "I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast" - Ronald Reagan
Here's a link to the 'Blue Ribbon Report', which Richard Nixon chose to bury -- http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/nixon06.pdf -- That is part of American history, it's not a mystery, it's a fact!
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Conniepae
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im not saying that legalization of cannabis and industrial hemp would solve all our problems, but the benefits that come with legalization would greatly help us solve the problems we have.
and things like this wouldn't happen as much of anymore... now i cant really say anymore because people are unpredictable. but if legalized and sold by the govt., the demand of marijuana from these drug dealers or cartels would decrease dramatically, or fade away altogether.
there are so many positives that comes with legalization that it actually becomes tiring just naming them. and the negatives are basically dwarfed by the positives.
i think we should organize rally's across the US at state capitols a few days out of the year, and show up at town hall meetings to get more attention on this very important subject. we don't have to get ignorant and violent at these rally's, just get our point across in a dignified and intelligent manor.
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serenden68
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damn, on my reservation we'd never allow other races to use our land like that. the drug business doesnt surprise me, that's found everywhere. but to be used? wtf
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worthabean
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The federal government is making an even bigger mess by enforcing the prohibition of marijuana. Hopefully their ideology will turn around or else police and the DEA are going to be finding more Mexican pot farms. It needs to be soon.
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I find that very disturbing.
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twohawks
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sidewaysclyde
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This is terrible, leave the reservations to the indigenous population. Why can't they decriminalize and regulate so that they black market demand is lowered?
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sidewaysclyde
