Reid eyes tax hike on wealthy to pay for health bill

Looks like the central government needs to be knocked back down to their rightfull place. What a tyrannical bunch taking the power to control healthcare and everything else.What we need is a constitutional convention to humble these assholes and put them back in their limited constituional role.

Many immigrants pay income tax. The IRS turns a blind eye if they can collect the taxes from illegals adopting SSNs and Names.

That being said, I have no reason to belive that the undocumented might get health care, regardless of the fact that they pay income tax.

What about flying over states? Literally? Like you want high speed rail? I'd like that too, but what does that have to do w/ healthcare. . . ?

have you guys heard about how current tv let go of 80 of its employees?

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/11/current-tv-staff-suffer-a-major-bloodbath-a...

Who cares. The assholes will be unemployed Nov 2010

Yeh conniepae just listen to neo and "trust" the benevolent government to do what is right for you. After all they are smarter and wiser than us ordinary peasants, and have absolutely nothing to gain by taking control of everything. They have never done us wrong in the past and will always be on our side to make sure we never suffer a loss or shed a tear. .....(sarcasm)

Previous Update: Bill Clinton talks to Senate Democrats,Obama rejects abortion provision

WASHINGTON - Former President Bill Clinton knows just how high the political stakes are in the fight to overhaul America's health care system. His failed attempt to revamp the delivery of medical care contributed to the Republican takeover of the House and Senate in 1994.

Fast forward to 2009, where health care's white-hot spotlight now shines on the Senate. Clinton is still in the picture, and he's expected to speak to Senate Democrats about health care legislation during their weekly caucus Tuesday, officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss his schedule.

President Barack Obama wants to sign the legislation into law by the end of the year. But abortion opponents in the Senate are seeking tough restrictions in the health care overhaul bill, a move that could roil a shaky Democratic effort.

Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., said he could not support a bill unless it clearly prohibits federal money from going to pay for abortions. Nelson is weighing options, including offering an amendment similar to the one passed by the House this weekend.

"While there may be different views about abortion, I think there's a strong majority against using federal dollars to fund abortions," Nelson said Tuesday on NBC's "Today."

Obama said the legislation needs to find a balance.

President Obama suggested Monday that he was not comfortable with abortion restrictions inserted into the House version of major health care legislation, and he prodded Congress to revise them.

“There needs to be some more work before we get to the point where we’re not changing the status quo” on abortion, Mr. Obama said in an interview with ABC News. “And that’s the goal.”

He said, he wanted to make sure “we’re not restricting women’s insurance choices,” because he had promised that “if you’re happy and satisfied with the insurance that you have, it’s not going to change.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33824081/ns/politics-health_care_reform/

Hm....Heh.

Would someone remind me why we need the flyover states? If California was it's own county it would be the most desired place to live in the world, and all of the phony fools from the midwest would want to come in and take everything away!

the insurance companies will greet us as liberators!!!

Dump it all and start over. Expand Medicare immediately to cover folks 55 and over. Move the eligible year down over time and increase wellness incentives to doctors. Take away Medicare's restriction on negotiating price for drugs and you're done.

Right now Big Insurance and Pharma are like rabid dogs backed into a corner and they'll fight ya and bite ya. Try just walking away from them and they'll wander off to die under the porch.

You all sound like sheep. It doesn't matter what is said, when there's money, there are receivers of that money. The rest is BS for you to yell about.
You're dupes.
Health care costs money and government is working with the insurance industry to make you poorer slaves in order to get it - except, of course, you won't be getting the quality you think because most of your work output goes to insurance middle-men.

You'll get scraps non-care.

You're suckers. Plain and simple.

Previous Update - Obama seeks revisions on anti-abortion amendment.

WASHINGTON — President Obama suggested Monday that he was not comfortable with abortion restrictions inserted into the House version of major health care legislation, and he prodded Congress to revise them.

“There needs to be some more work before we get to the point where we’re not changing the status quo” on abortion, Mr. Obama said in an interview with ABC News. “And that’s the goal.”

On the one hand, Mr. Obama said, “we’re not looking to change what is the principle that has been in place for a very long time, which is federal dollars are not used to subsidize abortions.”

On the other hand, he said, he wanted to make sure “we’re not restricting women’s insurance choices,” because he had promised that “if you’re happy and satisfied with the insurance that you have, it’s not going to change.”

Before passing its health bill on Saturday, the House adopted an amendment that would block the use of federal money for “any health plan that includes coverage of abortion,” except in the case of rape or incest or if the life of a pregnant woman is in danger.

Some private insurance now covers abortion. Under the bill, most private insurers would receive federal subsidies on behalf of low- and middle-income people.

The Senate is working on its own version of health legislation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/health/policy/10health.html

And the plunge to the bottom continues....

Previous Update: Obama Presses Senate on HCR

WASHINGTON — The White House, growing concerned that the Congressional timetable for passing a health care overhaul could slip into next year, is stepping up pressure on the Senate for quick action, with President Obama appearing Sunday in the Rose Garden to call on senators to “take up the baton and bring this effort to the finish line.”

Mr. Obama’s remarks came just 14 hours after the House narrowly approved a landmark plan that would cost $1.1 trillion over 10 years and extend insurance coverage to 36 million uninsured Americans; the president called it “a courageous vote.” But the votes had barely been counted when the White House began turning its attention to an even bigger hurdle: getting legislation passed in the Senate.

In the Senate, where proposals differ substantially from the House-passed measure on issues like a government-run plan and how to pay for coverage, the bill is stalled while budget analysts assess its overall costs. The slim margin in the House — the bill passed with just two votes to spare, and 39 Democrats opposed it — suggests even greater challenges in the Senate, where the majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, is struggling to hold on to all 58 Democrats and two independents in his caucus.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/health/policy/09healthcare.h

1st thing is first. Whenever a politician wants something passed quickly, it means that the bill is horrible and they don't want to give anyone a chance to read the B.S. that they put in it. 2nd--why does the ruling class think they can continue to fuck the normal citizen. Its coming time for a revolt, and like Common said, "the revolution will not be televised."

Gawd, whadda disaster this dope is.
In a race to the bottom this guy driving a rocket sled.
It will be so funny watch the morons who voted for this pin-head looking at the cost of their shiny new health "plan".

this is the devils work, dont believe nothing obama says, he is part of illuinati with pope,queen,bibderberg,wallstreet, all of them aer devils.

wake up people, the health care bill is to force you to take the mark of the beast. im plant, and you will be a slave and worship the sun god which is lucifer aka devil aka pope, or die. this is nazism. go check your history you sheeple. this is the end times and this will be hell. the bible warns you of this . the mayans do to. and rome did it, hitler, did it, go check history. thats all i ask. NEW WORLD ORDER. MARTIAL LAW,FEMA CAMPA,HOMELAND SECURITY. dont take my word but go read your bible.. When MJ funeral, you didnt know the pope put down his new rules for theword. the same catholic devils who crucified jesus is now in charge of america too. the devil is here. the 7 seals are open. peace be unto all you,

@ihatethemall, I enjoyed your comment about how people project your political affiliations, it made me smile. You are quite a conundrum of juxtaposed positions. Quite unique and very engaging. I can see why people attack you and stereotype you and then get all the heck confused. Keep it up though, your input is valid and relevant. Thanks.

We are living in an era where a major part of our society is losing almost everything they work for for years. I have heard people talk about personal responsibility for medical bills. The beleif is that everybody is on a level playing feild when it comes to jobs, pay, and education. This is not the case. You have the wall street types thiking that buying and selling the same thing day in and day out is actualy doing somthing good for the nation. Same with the insurance companys. Neither of these organizations actualy does anything that is really tangible and when the payout comes they scream like stuck pigs. These two organizations are the two biggist gambling houses in the world and they love it because they know the house is fixed. Personal responsibility is great when you go up againt this fixed game but like in a backroom craps game if you don't pay the house then you will get your legs cut out from under you.

Here is a list of what the “Affordable Health Care for America Act” will do (among other things):

* Create a national public option (no triggers or state opt-outs)

* Strip health insurance companies of their anti-trust exemptions

* Bar health insurance companies from denying coverage, and raising rates based on pre-existing conditions

* Decrease the federal deficit by 100 billion dollars (CBO statistic)

* Extend coverage to about 30 million Americans

* Mandate that most companies offer health insurance (exemptions will exist)

* Mandate that every citizen buy health insurance (exemptions will exist for those who can’t afford health plans)

* Create a National Health Insurance Exchange which will allow citizens to buy plans at lower rates

* Increase taxes for those making over 500,000 dollars

* If parents have offspring and a health insurance plan, the plan must cover those children until they are 27.

Previous Update #3

WASHINGTON — Handing President Obama a hard-fought victory, the House narrowly approved a sweeping overhaul of the nation’s health care system on Saturday, advancing legislation that the Democrats said could be their defining social policy achievement.

After a daylong clash with Republicans over what has been a Democratic goal for decades, lawmakers voted 220 to 215 to approve a plan that would cost $1.1 trillion over 10 years and that Democrats said would provide relief to Americans struggling to buy or hold on to health insurance.

“This is our moment to revolutionize health care in this country,” said Representative George Miller, Democrat of California and one of the chief architects of the bill.

Democrats were forced to make major concessions on insurance coverage for abortions to attract the final votes to secure passage, a wrenching compromise for the numerous abortion-rights advocates in their ranks. They hope to make changes to that amendment during negotiations with the Senate, which will now become the main battleground in the health care fight as Democrats there ready their own bill for what is likely to be extensive floor debate.

Democrats say the measure — paid for through new fees and taxes, along with cuts in Medicare — would extend coverage to 36 million people now without insurance and would create a government health insurance program. It would end insurance company practices like not covering pre-existing conditions or dropping people when they become ill.

The successful vote came after Mr. Obama traveled to Capitol Hill just before noon Saturday to make a personal appeal for lawmakers to “answer the call of history” and support the bill.

Only one Republican, Representative Anh Cao of Louisiana, voted for the bill, and 39 Democrats opposed it. The House also defeated the Republicans’ more modest plan, whose authors said it was a more common-sense and fiscally responsible approach.

Many Democrats in more conservative districts balked at the measure, signaling that those who could be vulnerable in next year’s midterm elections viewed voting for the measure as politically risky.

“Today’s may be a tough vote, but it was in 1935 when we passed Social Security,” Representative John Dingell, Democrat of Michigan and the dean of the House, said as the debate drew to a close late Saturday.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/health/policy/08health.html?hp

"'one small step for' liberals, 'a giant leap for' democratic kind."

The only Bi-partisanship in this bill was against it. i dont see this passing in the senate

"this bill was by liberals, for liberals"

To illustrate a potential resolution to the abortion prohibition in the House bill, let us consider the scourge of limp-dick disease in the context of current and House-proposed healthcare law. To show that the cost of an abortion will drop dramatically under the House bill and it will not matter so much as to who is paying it.

The headlines this morning should read: Nancy Pelosi Cures Limp-Dick Disease!

Because that is precisely what the House bill will do. Limp-dick is a fabricated disease. Limp-dick occurs because we eat poorly and doctors practice bad medicine to correct the consequences of eating poorly. We eat fake food causing obesity, type II diabetes, cardiac disease and even asthma. These conditions lead to circulatory insufficiency. Which leads to an inability to pump up the one-eyed trouser snake.

Under the current healthcare law our interests are not the same as the doctors' interests. We want to stay healthy and stiff. Doctors want us to eat poorly and turn into a stream of frequent, brief, billable visits. Because that is how doctors get paid.

Pelosi's bill will change this by first aligning the interests of the payers with the interests of the patient: to stay healthy in the first place.

Insurance companies make money by collecting premiums and keeping them. Right? Under current law the best way to keep the premiums is to deny coverage. In effect, the insurance companies can eliminate sick patients by denying or cancelling coverage or capping reimbursement. The House bill prohibits eliminating patients by denying or cancelling coverage or capping reimburesment.

So, since the insurance companies cannot eliminate the patient, they will have to eliminate the disease.

Under the House bill, if enacted, insurance companies will use doctors, sophisticated public relations and economic incentives to keep keep us away from fake food, thus eliminating the source of the majority of the diseases that now consume our healthcare dollars. Insurance companies will enjoy record profits while we enjoy the benefits of unfettered penile erections.

As to costs, once the frivolous causes of disease have been eliminated, a lot of healthcare professionals are going to be without work. The House bill creates an excess capacity in healthcare services. The supply of healthcare will exceed demand. Healthcare costs will drop.

Including the costs of an abortion. During my surgical products days I participated in an engineering time/cost analysis of dilation and curettage which involves opening the cervix and removing the contents. Abortion. Wipe out the unnecessary economic complexities associated with current healthcare law (which the House bill does) and the end result is that about $50 of supplies, 30 minutes of one doc's time and a good nurse will produce a safe, effective abortion. Today the cost of an abortion is probably measured in thousands of dollars. Right? $2500? Who knows? It should cost about $200.

So, Nancy, thank you. No longer do I have to live in fear of the scourge of limp-disk disease. And the abortion issue is one that can truly be managed by the private individual involved rather than those who seem to think their role in life is to regulate the lives of others.

YES!!

And I remember the days of wishing January 20, 2009, would arrive. Feels like I am wishing my life away, presidential term by presidential term.
This is definitely a case of be careful what you wish for! (I can at least say that I did not vote for this President - nor did I vote for Bush.)
The joke was on the voters, in both instances, unfortunately.
What a complete disaster.

About time. Alleluia.

I have two different Heallth Insurance plans. I should not have to pay a centavo out of poket but still end up payng about half of the medical bills for myself. For my wife they won't even pay a red cent for any of her treatment witch is mandated by state law. You can only claim Bankrupcey once on a medical condition. If we are being fairly treated by these self searving health insurance companys we would not have to pay exorbidant preimieums for two policys and they would cover all.

Every one who voted for and supports the enslavement of us all should be required to have a red D tatooed on there fourhead

And I would bet that not one of you or one of them read the bill in its entirety before voting on it.

can you say end of the world as we know it. NEW WORLD ORDER. NAZI DO EXSIT. Obama is anti christ. Bible tells you so. the pope is in control, which he is the devil. I hope you dumb american sheeple get what you deserve. the same thing jews got in germany

It passed but now we have that Stupak ammendment to contend with. The law already says that abortions can not be funded with federal dollars. However, I strongly believe that people who are paying their own premiums should be able to be covered for an abortion on their exchange plan.

How expensive are abortions anyway?

All American women should start wearing face masks and head covering and shields, axes optional.

1up

WHO'S READY FOR SOME HEALTH CARE!?!

This win will seem like a walk in the park when the bill tries to get past the senate. That's the real battle here.

Welcome to the new United Socialist States of America.

Hello America and welcome to the wonderful world of affordable insurance you won't get turned down for!

Cutting Medicare is wrong. Don't like this.

Check to see whether your Representative voted for it. http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/1/887 Mine did, Rob Andrews D-NJ

Looks like a boom in the clothes hangar industry on the way

These fucking assholes in Congress couldn't pass real reform unless a pay raise for themselves by themselves was tacked on to the end of it. Fuck Every Single Person in Congress and the Senate.

INCOMPETENT FUCKS, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Trust me, this means absolutely nothing. It will fail in the Senate. And then they'll start over from scratch and by next March they'll be saying things like "We're close to getting real landmark Healthcare Reform guys! We'll get right to it after we go on break..."

Then in winter of 2011 once Congress convenes after their 17 month long PAID break they'll say "Don't worry guys we're close to getting real landmark Healthcare Reform, this time."

Come May 2014 they might be close to getting real landmark Healthcare Reform but only after adding a clause for the Republicans that will ban Gay Marriage, will ban Abortion, and will stipulate that gay people will be moved to internment camps and that abortion practitioners will be executed by firing squad, etc.

They pulled it off we are all coverd now will this really be the end of apartide care on America?!?

Previous update #2

The House approved the rule governing debate of the big health care legislation by a vote of 242 to 192, suggesting but not guaranteeing, that Democrats would have the votes to pass the bill itself later on Saturday.

The House adopted the rule by a vote of 242 to 192, with 15 Democrats joining all 177 Republicans in opposition. One Democrat did not vote.

As a result the Democrats seemed to have a comfortable margin, with 24 more yes votes than they need for final passage of the bill.

The speaker pro tempore, Representative John D. Dingell, Democrat of Michigan, announced the tally.

The Democrats currently control 258 of 435 seats in the House, and with 218 votes needed to approve the bill, they can afford to lose 40 of their own caucus members and still win passage.

A final vote is expected on Saturday evening, but the process could take longer.

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/house-jumps-one-hurdle/?hp
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