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I've read this entire thread. My thoughts: we all care about this very much in our own ways. We are all appalled by this. I see a lot of confusion about the definitions on "explain" and "excuse"; you know like "try to get to the root of" as opposed to "justify or make ok." I'm just so saddened by the whole thing. I mourn for those fallen soldiers. I mourn for the baby one of the fallen soldiers was carrying. According to NPR, it didn't look like the assailant was aiming at anyone; he was just shooting anything that moved. If he was, in fact, hazed, it was not necessarily by any of these particular human beings. So, may I propose we all take a deep breath, quit splitting hairs, and just grieve these brave dead soldiers. Also, perhaps we could take a moment to commend Kimberly Munley

Let it be known that I wish no HARM on any American Citizen.My aim in submitting my side was to establish the fact that HISTORY confirms the fact that terrorist come in various forms, nationalities, motives, etc.Not long ago I was featured on the local nesws in regards to some art work of mine.One piece featured was that I dedicated to the troops warring on our behalf.Therefore, the love I have for this country is and its people is present.So.....to say that I should be careful what I wish on others is a sideways statement, something you gave no thought at all about.Peace.

A little bit of kindness can go a long , long way .

Totally agree with EdJoy, sooo true about shrinks, the desire for psychoanalysis tends to begin with one's self. It's not always bad, but it leaves people vulnerable to sick shit.

Beware of what you wish onto others, for that is what you will attract onto yourself. Instead, do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.

Well it is time he was treated right. Hang him, quarter him, then burn him and throw his body in a trash dump.

outcast or not....its too bad people dont realize this world is all we have and each and every one of us has to live here with eachother

Well, poor fucking baby, he got called names, wah wah. I guess that forgives him putting 13 American soldiers in their graves, doesn't it.

Hey IHtM is it me or does V sound like Maofbrats?

Cry me a river.......if you walk around in a man dress, then you are encouraging harrassment; just like Muslims who harrass Westerners in their own country(France, netherlands, britian, germany etc), theres' no excuse for doing what this douche bag did and the sooner they prosecute this fuck wad the better.
Hell, I was picked in school but I didn't plot mass murder, i just dealt with it and moved on with my life. The sooner mankind gives up all these superstitions, the better the world will be!

I still dont get why judism, christanity and muslim can't just get along I mean we all believe in the same god and muslims and christans think that jesus was a true prophet of god the only diffrence is that we don't think muhhumad was can't we all just get along

I guess thats one of the million or so differances between you and I. I see that as an excuse. You see it as an explanation. I dont care if he is considered a terrorist or not. I dont care if he has "issues" or not. To fuckin bad if he was "picked on"
The guy is a worthless piece of shit and deserves nothing less than a bullet in the head. No trial is needed to determine his guilt. Line the piece of shit up and blow his fuckin brains out.

Ihatethemall said:

"If you dont consider this an excuse..... Everyone can be driven to the breaking point and this kind of cruel racism and taunting is exactly what does it. I dont know what would"

That is not an excuse, it is an explanation, a description of the mechanics of the incident. Don't you know the difference between excuse and explanation?

samthesixth said:

"V writes "You wouldn't know truth if it sliced and diced and fried and fed you your attributes." More of your usually deep philosophical discussion. You stoop to the politics of character assassination each time your apologist self is revealed and you are unable to maintain a discussion using fact."

Speak for yourself! Actually, you did speak of yourself and called yourself V!

samthesixth said:

"Would that be the Honor thy father and mother part?"

That's in the Old Testament, in the Ten Commandments. I was talking about what the New Testament teaches:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

Incitement to hate one's parents, siblings, spouse and children, as well as an invitation to suicide.

samthesixth said:

"V, Your welcome, that is, for your freedom of speech. I am glad that you can exercise it as you do by calling me a coward. Your ignorance of me, and what I have done in my life, could not be more profound. So by all means throw that term around like you do all the others that you cannot substantiate with actual knowledge. I love to follow the truth wherever it leads, even if that is to an uncomfortable place. I have no problem challenging my beliefs as I love philosophy. That is why I have always read every link you post when we are in discussion. As you well know simulacra are for those who can't handle reality."

You wouldn't know truth if it sliced and diced and fried and fed you your attributes.

Oh, and since you simulate all the time, your admission that you cannot handle reality is quite touching!

In light of the events which transpired on a week ago, there are many who would care to share their outlook on the deadly shootings which occured in Ft. Hood and Orlando.There are some who were deeply moved by it and saddened, others question the motive and breaking point that would move an American citizen to convey such a level of violence, and then we have those who are convinced that these acts were the judgment imposed on Ms. America by a supreme diety because of her misdeeds to others.What ever one's perception, it is quite evident that when one or a group of people see such tragedies, you would think that they would grasp something from it, a message, but all the American people seem to to is cast judgment and toss questions to and fro as to it occuered.It is vitally important to take into consideration that when we as people feel victimizeed and are not rendered the support and justice we feel is due, we have a tendacy to plot and act out.This is what occured.I am not condoning these acts at all, however, there is one thing I have long learned, and that is that terror, murder, theft etc, all starts in the mind of a person, therefore these are the thoughts of men, of women, of people in general.It has nothing to do with one's nationality.It has nothing to do with one's religious belief, it has nothing to do with one's economic status.We as Americans have sat in the comfort of our homes and tuned in to breaking footage countless terrorist from Timothy McVeigh to John Mohammad.Race is not an issue.True there are some radical muslims, but history has also revealed the acts of Mr. Jones of Jonestown, or David Keresh, and a host of others.Religion is not an issue.Then we can all attest to the countless T.V. footage of World's Dumbest Criminals showing how careless criminals can be at times, but then we have Berny Madoff.One's economic status has nothing to do with it.We as, not just Americans, but people in general should really take into consideration that some people would do almost anything, sometimes openly, sometimes in secret, but it .This is why we are often times startled when such incidents occure, because we have stereotyped our idea of a criminal, our idea of a terrorist, our idea of a religious fanatic.I tell Ya' American People, there is a great deal more for all of us to learn.These acts of violence count have occured anywhere by anyone or group of people at any time.Church.Peace, Saffold.

everyone is mistreated during their life: but we don't go off and kill our co-workers. "get over it" !!

going out of your way to kill people is a childish way to deal with a problem.

maybe it's time we all grew up a little.

Wow! This article directly reflects that the pen is not always mightier than the sword! Its a shame the word racism is often used irresponsibly. The simple fact is the guys a NUT!!!

Am I the only one who is incredulous at the disgusting comment which equates Jews in the 20's with Palestinians? Excuse me but what terrorist acts, numbering in the tens of thosands by now from Palestine, did Jews commit against Germany?
What an assholeish thing to say. You people are whack.

Ya know, I've never known anyone in the US to have experienced as much brainwashing as for instance people in Russia do with their lack of information on Religion and Zionism. Russians had a tendency to make Jews feel really bad about themselves and arm the Palestinians as much as they could. My mother can describe in detail a dark room with 3 adults behind a podium telling her she would be used naked on top of a tank if she went to Israel. They told her Arabs were afraid of naked women and would cross themselves. To which my free thinking already Israeli souled mother replied, "Muslims don't cross themselves."
They promptly threw her out of the communist party. Didn't matter, she was free the next year in Israel with political other refugees. Free to read what she wanted, say what she wanted, and pray how she wanted (which Ironically was extremely secular).
What does Vierotchka mean in Russian anyway? Not to mention you have said you are part Jewish and do not practice, so is this not true any more all of a sudden? Maybe if you read the Torah you would learn to question some of that brainwashing. The Torah is all about asking qustions and verifying sources.
And Zionism is a secular progressive socialist theory if you actually read the whole of the text.
One can't just go about classifying a theory by snippets in a Palestinian rag.

Hey Ed what's it called when Jews throw other Jews into the fire?
Kappos?

hahaha takes a white supremacist to know one huh? Shit.

Fort Hood Suspect's Vitriolic Statements Weigh Heavily

Friday, November 6, 2009 3:22 PM

By: Steve Emerson Article Font Size

A picture of Nidal Malik Hasan is emerging from the slaughter he is accused of carrying out Thursday at a Fort Hood, Texas, readiness center, leaving 13 people dead and another 30 wounded.

The Army psychiatrist was chastised for proselytizing to his patients about Islam. Asked his nationality, he didn't identify himself as an American but as a Palestinian. Acquaintances said he appeared pleased about the shooting death of a Little Rock Army recruiter in June, and he reportedly was heard saying, "Maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square."

In the fateful moment before he opened fire on his unarmed victims, he shouted "Allah Akbar!"

With each new disclosure, some media outlets and organized Islamist groups increasingly are trying to deflect attention away from Hasan's religious motivation. In a statement condemning the attack, the Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation referenced past shootings by soldiers on their bases and cited the suicide rate at Fort Hood.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) issued a statement once the killer's name was known condemning the attack and saying, "No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence."

The condemnations are welcome and appropriate, if not the only thing that could be done in response to the tragedy. As we have noted previously, such unequivocal statements are much harder to come by when arrests are made before the killings can be carried out or when the killers share the Islamists' ideology.

Mary Rose Oakar, president of the Arab-American Anti Discrimination Committee, issued a statement calling the Hasan attack "absolutely deplorable." She also emphasized that the violence "has nothing to do with any religion, race, ethnicity, or national origin."

Friday morning, CAIR national spokesman Ibrahim Hooper told radio interviewer John Hockenberry that Hasan's motivation remains unknown: "He could have just snapped from some kind of stress. The thing is when these things happen and the guy's name is John Smith nobody says well what about his religious beliefs? But when it is a Muslim-sounding name, that automatically comes into it."

Contrast that with blogger Shahed Amanullah's willingness to address the matter with courage and honesty lacking among the American Muslim community's self-anointed national spokesmen: "Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, was reportedly troubled by his impending deployment to Iraq. Mental instability and depression has resulted in violence within the armed forces before. But unless Hasan left an explicit message to that effect, a religiously-inspired political act of violence is, much as we'd be unwilling to admit it, entirely plausible. With that in mind, Muslims will have to ask themselves some difficult questions as to why there are still those among us who continue to find justification for acts such as this in their faith."

Hasan's murderous rampage is just the latest in a string of attempts to murder American soldiers at home. It's a point Daniel Pipes made in 2003 after Hasan Akbar, a sergeant in the 101st Airborne Division, rolled a grenade into a tent holding his fellow soldiers on the eve of the invasion of Iraq. Akbar was found legally sane, convicted, and sentenced to death in 2005.

In June, Abdulhakim Muhammad killed an Army recruiter in Little Rock, Ark., and wounded a second recruiter. He told investigators he would have killed more people if he had seen them.

Fortunately, law enforcement broke up other plots before anyone got hurt. But in those cases, the Islamist organizations have cast the FBI as engaging in a sinister effort to entrap people otherwise uninterested in violence or incapable of carrying it out.

Among the examples:

Fort Dix — On May 7, 2007, (article continued at link)

Oh boo-frikkity-hoo.
Whadda loozar.
If he didn't like the military he should have resigned his commission.
Amazing how quickly the apologists right from the White House down start rationalizing this defect Malik Nidal Hasan's behavior.

Well we have the first muslim inspired terrorism attack on the country and everyone involved knew this guy was a problem.

This needs to be added to the already lengthy list of articles of impeachment.

Was this an inside job?
Did 0bama buy ammunition for Hasan from the stimulus package?
Was Biden in the getaway car?
Where was Biden?
C'mon, where's the loose-screew, err loose change crowd?

mrEddie said:

"Instant vindication of my point. Thanks."

You couldn't be further from the truth.

The media and liberal-left reflexively deny and ignore these conclusions because they are completely sold out to the idea that Muslims, as non-white, non-Christian, non-Westerners, cannot possibly be anything but victims. (The facts that there are white Muslims, and that the jihad doctrine and Islamic supremacism are not racial issues, but constitute an ideological and societal challenge, are completely lost on them. Likewise the non-white victims of the jihad matter nothing to them.) We can see from the avalanche of “backlash” stories in the mainstream media – even in the absence of any actual backlash – that it is simply impossible for these people to conceive of a paradigm in which Muslims can perpetrate any kind of evil at all. In the lenses through which they view the world, only white Judeo-Christian Westerners can do anything wrong.

The more we remain in denial about how these things happen, and from what wellsprings they come, the more we will see of attacks like this. Why? Because nothing is being done to prevent them. Instead of the endless stories about backlash that we are seeing, we should be seeing stories about authorities calling the American Muslim community to account. We should be seeing stories about authorities demanding transparent, inspectable programs in American mosques and Islamic schools, teaching against the Islamic doctrines that inspired Nidal Hasan. This is not a religious freedom issue – these are political doctrines with a lethal edge, as Nidal Hasan illustrated. It is an entirely Constitutional matter of self-protection to move to restrict it.

But that won’t happen. Political correctness has the media and government in a stranglehold. That will only ensure that nothing will be done to address this problem at its root, and we will see many more Nidal Hasans.

mrEddie said:

"Apart from Islamic ideology ,multiculturalism and political correctness are partly responsible for these murders. They are a lethal and poisonous mindset that are destroying our culture."

That sounds like a typical White Supremacist spiel. I guess you'd be happy to see all the Native Americans disappear from the USA too...

Apart from Islamic ideology ,multiculturalism and political correctness are partly responsible for these murders. They are a lethal and poisonous mindset that are destroying our culture. Many examples of it can be found in the numerous moronic and braindead comments on this thread.

There is more evidence of America’s Jihad Denial Derangement Syndrome. It turns out that fellow students of the army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who murdered 13 and wounded dozens more in a jihadi attack on Fort Hood had complained to the faculty about his anti-American propaganda – but were too afraid to file a formal complaint for fear of being accused of prejudice:

However, classmate Finnell said that Hasan made a presentation during their studies ‘that justified suicide bombing’ and spewed ‘anti-American propaganda’ as he argued the war on terror was ‘a war against Islam.’ Finnell said he and at least one other student complained about Hasan, surprised that someone with ‘this type of vile ideology’ would be allowed to wear an officer’s uniform. But Finnell said no one filed a formal, written complaint about Hasan's comments out of fear of appearing discriminatory.

Meanwhile, although President George W Bush and his wife paid a condolence visit to Fort Hood, it appears that no such visit has been forthcoming from the current incumbent mohammedan at the White House, who chose to go to Camp David instead for a break.

There can be no doubt whatever that this was a jihadi attack upon America, not least from the evidence that has now surfaced of Major Hasan’s attitudes for months before his rampage – evidence that the US authorities simply ignored. The Times reported:

His name appears above radical internet postings praising Islamic suicide bombers — something that the FBI was alerted to six months ago. He had frequent arguments with soldiers at Fort Hood because of his declarations that fellow Muslims ‘should stand up and fight against the aggressor’, and his vocal opposition to US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. He even appeared to celebrate the shooting dead of a soldier at an army recruiting centre in Arkansas in June, carried out by a Muslim convert. He said at the time that Muslims should strap on suicide bombs and detonate them in Times Square.

These were the extraordinarily provocative statements and actions of the army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan in the months before his deadly shootings at Fort Hood — a massacre that began with him shouting ‘God is Great’ in Arabic.

Now it has been further revealed that Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a ‘spiritual adviser’ to three of the hijackers who attacked America on 9/11. Nevertheless, people are still suggesting that he just snapped -- possibly under the impact of, wait for it, post-traumatic stress arising from military conflict. In other words, he was not a religious fanatic but was merely deranged. But religious fanatics are deranged. How else to describe the people who cut off the heads of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg and so many others; or who strapped suicide bomb belts onto hundreds of Iranian children to turn them into human bombs against the Iraqis; or who want to murder thousands of their fellow British citizens because the Islamists ‘love death’?

Oh I forgot; they are all just resistance fighters against Israeli oppression.

What we have here on this thread are two mental illnesses.....Jihad Denial Syndrome, which could be curable. And the other is hopeless,,,a conscious alliance with evil and the forces of darkness....incurable and repellent..

His victims were mistreated. This is like feeling sorry for Polanski as opposed to the 13 year old girl.

Let's see... the "hazing" military took him from high school, paid for his undergrad and grad degrees, his residency and a fellowship. Now at 39 he wants "out" of the military... Seems a little late to be crying about how badly he was mistreated. First time he actually has to "serve" it's all too much for a shrink to take. Correct me, but I don't believe he was going to be on the streets doing mop up actions. Let's focus are sympathy and concern on the victims not the perp.

Am I the only one who sees parallels between how Muslims are portrayed in MSM the way Jews were portrayed in the twenties and thirties?

I posit that the Muslims are being dehumanized much as the Jews were in the late 19th and early 20th Century. Is some social group intentionally doing this and will it inevitably lead to the same results it did in the thirties and forties? Does some part of our society just viscerally need a "Jew" to blame for what ever ills we face? The Limbaugh's and Beck's sound an awful lot like the NDSAP before the night of long knives.

The word "terrorisim" has become overused. He's just a mad gunman. There's a big difference between some idiot who goes postal and a terrorist, if you can't see it then you're probably the sort of idiot who WILL go postal. People had better be careful around you.

Stupid idiots deserved to get shot...

how many fucking shootings will it take for people to learn that its not ok to disrespect fellow humans?

to any criticism like killing others is too extreme, i say if it takes a bullet to the head to make a fucking point then let it be.

Sympathy for the devil. What if he would have gunned down your husband/wife/son/daughter? He was so picked on he achieved high rank in the US Army. Stop falling for this mushheaded nonsense. We just had over a dozen innocent people die and many more wounded because of the disease of "political correctness."

War is a hell of a thing, a thing were innocent people on both sides are sure to die.

I have been picked on and disrespected all of my life for being Jewish, even had a friend hung from a tree in the 80's, never shot a soul.
Palestinians are treated badly about terorism because of the sheer frequency and systematic recurence of this violent tendency in their culture.
To pretend like that doesn't exist among Islamists is just blind.
Timothy McVeigh happenned once a long time ago. And the administration has said repeatedly it is keeping an eye out on right wing terrorists.
Columbine had everyone freaking out about music.
This guy was a terrorist, and they often choose the mentally ill, who the hell in their right mind would do this kind of thing???
Terrorism and Insanity are not mutually exclusive!

yes it is wrong to attack someone for the faith an that may have affected his mental state, however... a concientious objector is a person who refuses to go to war for moral reasons(i.e. their conscience) he would have spent time in jail for the duration of his service. but he would not have had any part in a war he deemed unjustified, wrong etc. if he felt that strongly he would have taken this position. but he didnt. he continued in his duties. therefore this attack is not justified by any mistreatment what so ever and in fact reaffirms in many minds the "dangers" of islam.

Tim McVeigh was indeed called a terrorist. All of your premises are faulty and your prejudices are quite visible when you refer to any war which involves a Muslim population as an unjust war.

The problem with our country is that we refuse to acknowledge the presence of evil, even when it stares us in the face.

It disgusts me that mistreatment serves as a pretense for violence. I am sure that most of you have at some point faced some kind of mistreatment. From enduring high school bullying, to facing adversity in the workplace, prejudice and disdain are inherent human emotions that almost every individual faces to some degree.

A soldier, who was sworn to protect his countrymen and uphold certain values, knows that his job is particularly fraught with difficulty and tribulation. Hasan is not a victim. Hasan is a murderer and terrorist.

Hasan is not a victim because, as a professional, an adult, and a soldier, he was fully responsible for his own actions. As a member of the United States Army, I can attest to the fact that the statement, "The U.S. military has a long standing policy of racism toward the peoples of countries we are "at war with." It is standard procedure to dehumanize these foreign populations so that soldiers can more easily deal with the rampant death of innocent people that they see in war," is a statement that not only shows ignorance and stupidity on behalf of the author, but also borders on treason.

Hasan is a murderer because he killed 12 people. No explanation necessary.

Hasan is a terrorist because he is a radical Muslim and because he was motivated by a call to jihad. The fact that he shouted "Allahu Ackbar" before shooting his innocent victims attests to this.

Hasan deserves to be killed.

The Quran advocates violence on many occasions, explicitly and implicitly. Mohammed was a warlord. Can someone read the New Testament and tell me if it could be interpreted to condone killing innocent people?

Wow, you are seriously a misguided asshole. I'm done with this thread.

??????WTF

we have 408 no 407 psychiatrists for a 500000 person army

750000 have served a back to back tour of duty in the past eight years

PTSD stands at 11% & 20% for Afghanistan and Iraq

2009 suicide expected to pass combat casualitis

FUBARed all of this

He wasn't tormented! What support did he need? Why didn't he support his comrades by not killing them?!

I'm sorry to hear that your military service was a bad experience for you. Stating that the killer was taunted is providing an excuse for his actions. I can read quite well obviously it is your comprehension skills that are lacking.

It is all sad. I think he could not face the pain of war any longer. Kind of amazing how people just slip through the cracks until we don't even know them.

Mr. Raymond, there are so many flaws in your posting that I don't even know where to begin. As a nation we need to hold people responsible for their actions and not try to excuse horrendous behavior because they were teased or picked on. Who hasn't been teased or picked on? He's a Major in the US Army, Soldiers weren't taunting this guy on a daily basis! This man committed this crime because he's a psycho and he should face the death penalty for what he's done. Have you served in the military in any aspect? The military is not seeking out innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan to murder. Call these wars unjust if you want to. In reality, the men and women of the US Military are fighting every day to prevent terrorism from knocking on the doorstep of the American people the way it did on 9/11. So you just continue to sit comfortably in front of your computer spewing hate against the very people that are fighting and dying every day trying to protect cowards like you.