Huge $10 billion collider resumes hunt for 'God particle'

Just.....sayin'

So you going with the "Your wrong, and I'm right" technique
Have you known contacting spirits and purification without God?

Because there is, although Science is very much complicated, its only math.

That's great that you don't agree with something that you obviously do not understand. But guess what? No one cares about your ignorant viewpoint. It's going to happen, so live with it.

Please explain this statement.

Yes an explanation would be nice.

Very good.

LOL wild haired eggheads in Deloreans. You make a very good point though. It's similar to what happens when scientists try to observe electrons. It's physically impossible to observe electrons using light without disturbing them due to the way the light effects its behavior.

Well John_Dugan, I did read the article. And then I saw your post that stated that someone had stated there was time traveling involved. But I did not see such a post.

Now to your point "they never suggested an intelligent force" You are correct they never said the word intelligent. However, it is difficult to accept that their backward causation model does not have a mechanism of choice built in. Take there card game test for example. They state that if you had a stack of cards and then one card stated that the LHC should be closed down with a probability of the order of 5 × 10^−6. Then there logic goes if you chose that card and had to close the LHC their model is true then the paper states "If, however, just a normal card
that gives no restriction is drawn, our theory would be falsified unless a seemingly
accidental stopping of LHC occurs ! "

So, no mater what happens in their card experiment their model could be true if something accidentally happens? Somehow the Higgs-Boson has this property that it can affect causality, backwards? And this is proven by the fact that an incredibly complex piece of equipment like the LHC has some technical difficulties?

Also, I dig models of the universe that employee causation, like causal sets. However, backwards causation is a little difficult for me to accept. Though, the argument that this could be a possibility due to the paradox that time has no real arrow or direction in physics. I am more apt to relive that our models are not complete before I lend serious consideration to backwards causation.

I'm putting $5 down on a cigarette butt overheating the system, or some guy's change gets caught in one of the magnets.

It can't be more unplausible than a freakin' bird dropping bread.

amen.

Only miniscule things that make up everything when put together in a large enough amount.

I am sorry lookatmypix but I really have to agree with piejustisntrational on this. Especially if you are going to take papers from theoretical physicists like Masao Ninomiya and Holger Bech Nielsen with the same seriousness that one takes the work done at Fermilab or the LHC. The idea that the work at the LHC is being sabotaged from the future is just ridiculous. Its fun to think about... But it is ridiculous. You know.. like string/M theory.

Look, theoretical physics is fun but, it is just the kind of physics you might take on a date or hook up with everyone once in a while, not something you would want to marry.

Also, I am super stoked about the LHC.. Lets get a Higgs Boson up in this botch.

I started my post with "if".

My point is don't ridiculize imagination just because you disagree with it, respect it.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
By Albert Einstein

lookatmypix ... *facepalm* .. just ... *facepalm*
Epic fail.

It's ok to me Jubiejanks. I embrace epic failures if that's the case, I will never be afraid or ashamed to fantasize and dream :)

The way my calsses are going, I'd preffer that it did. @_@

Your imagination can be an engine if you focus on what can be. Fantasy is not a good way to spend your time.
Your mind can figure out anything - math can prove it out and is only useful for tools and awards. But the awards are given by those that didn't - for equally inane reasons.
Regardless, reality is your friend, fantasy -a waste of your talents.

"02" I disagree.
You said "imagination can be an engine if you focus on what can be".

"What can be" is tied to the limits of our knowledge, what can't be should drive imagination as it offers many more possibilities.
We want to question what we take for granted and what we don't know.

I mentioned Einstein's words above because he just explains it beautifully.
These also are great quotes:
“Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality.”
By Jules de Gaultier

“Imagination has always had powers of resurrection that no science can match”
By Ingrid Bengis

Reality is my enemy, imagination is my friend.
By me :)

Your interpretation of the imagination and reality is fundamentally different from mine.
Fantasy as a synonym of DREAM is the core of every invention and innovation.
Everything that surrounds us was once dreamed and fantasized by someone, at times ridiculized and/or discarded as a mad theory and later on became our REALITY.

Don't get hung up on semantics. Often people say 'reality' and mean what they think or how they see the world. The term means what is real. This is not about what people have decided are their limits, or a mind-set.

You understand that what is real is beyond what passes for common understanding or state-of-the-art science.

Often (a vast percentage), the sciences are group think. What will pass muster with scientific peers and academia. They know they don't know - but think it is going to be a matter further refinements to a present (past) theory. They are confident they have chosen the right life-path and surely the future resides with them.

Present theory is the box they are stuck in. The monkey-trap. They are cock sure their coming revelations will be forged from their past notions; when it is exactly those notions they must think beyond.

My point for you was not getting lost in fantasy. Fantasy is fun, perhaps - but invention - comes from seeing the new.

I understand your point a bit better now.
I still can't quite figure where do you stand when it comes to Universe theories like time travel and parallel dimensions.

But it's fun to be alive, isn't it?

It is.
And I always have fun talking about these matters.
Thanks for your input to this post and I will be glad to hear more of your opinions about Universe theories in the future.