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Still think Global Warming is not real?

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KAILUA, Hawaii (Nov. 14) -- Jenn Boneza remembers when the white sandy beach near the boat ramp in her hometown was wide enough for people to build sand castles.
"It really used to be a beautiful beach," said the 35-year-old mother of two. "And now when you look at it, it's gone."

Hawaii's pristine shoreline is disappearing. More than 70 percent of Kauai's beaches are eroding into the sea and Oahu has lost a quarter of its sandy shore. Officials fear the problem will only get worse as global warming causes sea levels to rise. Here, a jogger passes some old ironwood tree stumps and roots that have been exposed due to the erosion of Kailua Beach in Oahu.


Hawaii's pristine shoreline is disappearing. More than 70 percent of Kauai's beaches are eroding into the sea and Oahu has lost a quarter of its sandy shore. Officials fear the problem will only get worse as global warming causes sea levels to rise. Here, a jogger passes some old ironwood tree stumps and roots that have been exposed due to the erosion of Kailua Beach in Oahu.

What's happening to portions of the beach in Kailua — a sunny coastal suburb of Honolulu where President Barack Obama spent his last two family vacations in the islands — is being repeated around the Hawaiian Islands.

Geologists say more than 70 percent of Kauai's beaches are eroding while Oahu has lost a quarter of its sandy shoreline. They warn the problem is only likely to get significantly worse in coming decades as global warming causes sea levels to rise more rapidly.
"It will probably have occurred to a scale that we will have only been able to save a few places and maintain beaches, and the rest are kind of a write-off," said Dolan Eversole, a coastal geologist with the University of Hawaii's Sea Grant program.
The loss of so many beaches is an alarming prospect for Hawaii on many levels. Many tourists come to Hawaii precisely because they want to lounge on and walk along its soft sandy shoreline. These visitors spend some $11.4 billion each year, making tourism the state's largest employer.

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Image info - Here, a jogger passes some old ironwood tree stumps and roots that have been exposed due to the erosion of Kailua Beach in Oahu.
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54 comments // Still think Global Warming is not real?

  • CreatioExNihil
  • mgerlach22
  • ostrom808
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      ostrom808  

    • That being said, we fail to recognize that the human race has an impact on the GLOBAL climate and environment at our peril. It is more than merely disheartening to read some of the comments here that disavow any human factor in climate change.
      It really is just a simple chemistry experiment. A net 16 BILLION tons of anthropogenic CO2 emissions are added to the atmosphere each year, accordingly to NOAA, eight times the amount emitted in 1950. Atmospheric concentration in parts per million (ppm) has increased during that time from 315ppm to 385ppm, an increase of 22%. (The reason the increase in concentration and the increase in absolute tonnage are different is that the earth has the capacity to absorb a considerable amount of CO2, but we have surpassed that threshold level) Fully half that increase has been experienced since 1989, due to this characteristic.
      We are a freight train speeding out of control, but instead of braking, we are literally and metaphorically stoking the fires of our destruction. Not the earth's destruction. Make no mistake. The earth will be here. But what is left may be unrecognizable and/or uninhabitable.

      And our bought-off leaders dither, blinded by worries about dollars, instead of acting for our survival.

    • 2 years ago
  • Chapisbored
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      Chapisbored  

    • Erosion and global warming are seperate issues. I can see global warming affecting erosion in some ways, but i'm not convinced that this particular case is a clear sign of global warming in action.

    • 2 years ago
  • Stentor
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      Stentor  

    • Global warming posits rising sea levels that cause the beach loss described in this article. This does not seem to be what is at work here. Beach erosion and harbor silting for that matter is a constant natural process, and has been going on for millennia. Climate cycles are also well-known natural phenomena. Human intervention can neither cause them or prevent them, despite what people with agendas to grow government power and control would have you believe. Before you believe their "data" look at their biases and conflicts of interest.

    • 2 years ago
  • breadbox
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      breadbox  

    • ya thats cool its called beach erosion, and yes it happens all over the place, and no not from global warming, and believe it or not the hawaiin islands will not always exist. They're on a moving fault and they will eventually go back into the ocean and new ones will form

    • 2 years ago
  • ostrom808
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      ostrom808  

    • I lived on Oahu for six years, and one of the main issues, not mentioned here, involves human intervention in beach topography, particularly in Kailua. There is a good argument that if people hadn't built so many retaining walls and abutments, ostensibly to preserve 'their' beach, the entire beachfront would not have eroded in this fashion.

      However, as mentioned by others above, beach sand ebb and flow is a natural process, and I don't really see any valid argument in this post that would explain how climate change would result in beach erosion, since the prospective rise in sea levels have not yet been experienced.

    • 2 years ago
  • KSirys
  • HPD
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      HPD  

    • I've lived on Kauai for 37 years. I've seen the sand at Wailua beach ebb and flow some times 25 yards from year to year. Thats a lot of sand. There was a big storm yesterday so there is less sand. By the start of next summer all the sand will return just like it has for the past 37 years. If it was up to Fat algor we would all be riding bikes made of hemp and when we got tired we could pull to the side of the road and smoke a spoke while he rides around the world spewing shit out of his private jet. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ares
  • KSirys
  • Ares
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      Ares  
    • HPD:

      ...what? Does membership in a free forum-based news website lend credibility? Because if so, as a level three commentator, I'm clearly the resident expert on being a douchebag.

    • 2 years ago
  • Ares
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      Ares  

    • Pull your heads out of your asses people. The CATO Institute, and various professional scientists are inexplicably not receiving any coverage in their assertion that global warming is a predictable trend (that, guess what, we predicted!) and any effects we see are going to be mild at best.

      There's two sides to every issue, but why is it that the apocalyptic fortune telling side is the only thing we see in the news, in the papers, or online?

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Ares
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
    • Ares:

      "The Cato Institute is a pro-free market, libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C."

      Small government freepers can hardly be viewed as 'liberal'

    • 2 years ago
  • idealist
  • EmperorThan
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      EmperorThan  

    • Not to mention that whole sections of the Hawaiian islands have been known to completely slide off into the ocean over the past several million years. Plate tectonics and volcano geology has nothing to do with global warming.... sorry folks.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • EmperorThan
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      EmperorThan  

    • I'm pretty sure no one was debating if 'erosion' was real. What does natural erosion have to do with global warming?

      And I know I read a few years ago they said that so many millions of tourists frequent the beaches of Hawaii and are taking so much sand home in their shoes etc that they have plans to replenish the sand.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • metalcookiesxy70
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      metalcookiesxy70  

    • Really, global warming wasn't started by Al Gore, he supported it.

      Global Warming, its a fact...

      The habit of belief as caused the possbility of this to planet to die...

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • metalcookiesxy70:

      Real Fact = We are NOT in a period of cooling.

      Real Fact = Although global warming has occurred many times in the past, it used to take hundreds and even thousands of years to warm up as fast at it has done over the past thirty years, and never in the past many million years, if ever, has there been so much CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the admosphere. These Real Facts have been proven by practically all the paleo-climatologists of the world.

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • wayseeker
  • Vierotchka
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

      Revelation 1:8

      Yes. im sure the God of the universe (or as you refered to him "nomad") has nothing to do with the destiny of our planet.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Vierotchka
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Vierotchka
  • jubal
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      Well im trying to ask you an actual question ,but your only reason against God is that hes an "ignorant nomad" and that "he is not very intelligent and pretty ignorant." and you came to this conclusion "Through intelligence and knowledge."

      where is the logic in this?

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • jubal
  • SleepDirt
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

      - Thomas Jefferson

      Yes i am reading that article of yours but there isnt any convincing information

      "if Christ has not been raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless. And we apostles would all be lying about God—for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave. But that can’t be true if there is no resurrection of the dead. And if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless and you are still guilty of your sins. In that case, all who have died believing in Christ are lost! And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

      But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died."

      1 Corinthians 15:14-20

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      ibrake4rappers13, where is the proof that Jesus was resurrected? Where is the proof that he really existed, by proof I mean archeological or scientific?

      I am challenging you because you should know that these things cannot be proven and saying them over and over is not going to make them true. It is belief.

      Personally I do believe Jesus existed and that he was a son of God as we are all sons of God. Its like the verses about Jesus praying in the Garden of Gethsemane hours before he was taken into custody. Jesus prayed to his father not praying for himself but for those that were in his care. He prayed that they all be one, as the Jesus himself and his father are one. Is this the trinity of Catholicism? NO.

      Jesus describes his father in great detail, and not much of what he describes is true of Jehovah.

      The article by Blavatsky is not the best one to describe these things, Merrick's book uses the King James Bible to make its assertions. It is by far the best summation of the Gnostic beliefs, prior to Christendom's rise.

      Also you should look into the history of how the bible was written. It was created by the Council of Nicea under the tutelage of Constantine who declared himself simultaneously Emperor and Pope. Did I mention that he had children who later became church leaders themselves? Alexander was responsible, because of his homosexual ideas, that decided to make Jesus into a single man and they stripped the bible of any portrayal of him as being married and having children with Mary Magdalene. Why? Because that way they could make Jesus more divine in the eyes of their faithful.

      The Catholic Church has the copyright on the original bible because it was their creation. Every other Christian denomination that has come after it inherited what it created. The only books available to use to contradict the official bible are the books considered by the Catholic church to be heretical, such as the Gospels of Thomas or Mary Magdalene or even Judas Iscariot.

      The bible is the words of men who needed to have a way to explain death and to comfort people about death. It morphed into a political tool disguised in religion and faith.

      In Christ we are set free from sin, not enslaved to a bible and a church.

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      The very fact that you believe Jesus existed proves that the entire bible true

      "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work."

      2 Timothy 3:16,17

      because if that one scripture is not true then the entire bible is false and as i quoted earlier

      "we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world"

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      It doesn't prove anything, what I believe. You keep responding with scriptures and you don't say anything from your own mind. You are acting like a brainwashed child.

      Jesus is not God. He was a man who had a wife and children and lived a life that affected many people; that is if he ever really existed. Nothing more.

      Christ is a title that is bestowed on a person who is blessed or annointed (as with holy oil).

      I can clearly see that no one will be able to get anywhere with you, because your theism is devoid of reason and not subject to any criticism. So have a nice life and goodbye.

    • 2 years ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      "The very fact that you believe Jesus existed proves that the entire bible true"

      Wow! That is a major logical fallacy based on absolute nonsense! Belief in something is never proof of the existence of something - usually, it proves the opposite!

    • 2 years ago
  • SleepDirt
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      SleepDirt  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      'The very fact that you believe Jesus existed proves that the entire bible true'

      By your logic the very fact that I view religion as entirely based in superstition, myth and the fear of death makes the bible entirely false, which it is.

      Moreover, I have never seen a shred of compelling archaeological or verifiable documentary evidence that Jesus ever existed.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • There is a geological phenomenon called "Mass Wasting" you should check it out. Could explain the missing beach. (besides global warming and climate change)

    • 2 years ago
  • JulianCommongold
  • CalgarC
  • wellhunggimp
  • JulianCommongold
  • courage
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      courage  

    • wow the ocean washed away sand ..its the end of the world goverment all over the world have been spending million to replenish beaches since the 50s

    • 2 years ago
  • LadybugLady
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