Cannabis, Tobacco and Alcohol Use - Comparing risks of harm and costs to society
source: http://blog.norml.org/2009/11/17/do-the-math-tobacco-related-health-costs-800-booze-related-...
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According to the report, “In terms of [health-related] costs per user: tobacco-related health costs are over $800 per user, alcohol-related health costs are much lower at $165 per user, and cannabis-related health costs are the lowest at $20 per user.”
The review, authored by researchers from the Centre for Addictions Research of British Columbia at the University of Victoria and the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse at the University of Ottawa, stated: “Alcohol is used by a very large number of people with the vast majority of these using in low- or moderate-risk ways. Conversely, cannabis and tobacco are used by far fewer people. The majority of cannabis use is low- and moderate-risk, however, while the majority of tobacco is high-risk.”
The study reported that social costs applicable to marijuana are primarily “enforcement-related.”
The authors concluded: “The harms, risks and social costs of alcohol, cannabis and tobacco vary greatly. A lot has to do with how the substances are handled legally. Alcohol and tobacco are legal substances, which explains their low enforcement costs relative to cannabis. On the other hand, the health costs per user of tobacco and alcohol are much higher than for cannabis. This may indicate that cannabis use involves fewer health risks than alcohol or tobacco.
“These variations in risk, harms and cost need to be taken into account as we think about further efforts to deal with the use of these three substances. … Efforts to reduce social costs related to cannabis, for example, will likely involve shifting its legal status by decriminalizing casual use, to reduce the high enforcement costs. Such a shift may be warranted given the apparent lower health risk associated with most cannabis use.”
According to a recent Rasmussen national poll of 1,000 likely voters, Americans believe by more than two to one that alcohol is “more dangerous” than marijuana.
http://blog.norml.org/2009/11/17/do-the-math-tobacco-related-health-costs-800-bo...
http://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/publications/cannabis/bck/7
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Caffiene is not mentioned once. Completely legal, even pushed on our society so we maintain producing and moving and aiding to consumerism. Remember the spider web tests?
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think_free
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remanns
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.........hard to get a good look at the graphs.
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remanns
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Manu12
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I'm in love with Mary Jane!
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jswiz
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Manu12:
she's my main squeez, she make's make's me feel all right, she make's my heart sing.
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It is sad that there are so many people with criminal records in this country that have resulted from POT. I was 22 when I was busted and then again a year later. Since the second was a probation violation the 2 crimes are now Felonies. I have lost several good jobs because of this. I am 54 now have 2 wonderful girls and consider myself a good voting hard working citizen but will allways have this on my record. Plus a 3rd strike would put me in prison for life. I don't plan any but accidents do happen.
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boiscalm
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This is total BULLSHIT . The system cannot make money on it because it's ah PLANT & not man made , it is something that is good & you can grow it for free
and the system is mad so it becomes not to some ! hell , cigs smell awful
& booze is out of the question ! - 2 years ago
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And as always "LSD, Magic Mushrooms, Mescaline" aren't included on ANY of these kind of lists BECAUSE?!?! They are STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT. AKA harmless, AKA propaganda bullshit about making you PERMANENTLY INSANE is completely falsified or they would account for many years for each user's permanent insanity in a mental institution on the healthcare portion of the graph.
"Ask Why." -Enron
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EmperorThan
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I wish UndoInfluence's comment was not buried as a reply, as it shows a strong counter-argument to all the naysayers of legalization. All these articles about marijuana make it quite frustrating that it isn't less of a taboo in any sense, coupled with the fact that the education system instills so much misinformation and flat-out lies that it just wastes time and money and undermines its credibility as a necessary institution.
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The only reason I don't want marijuana legalized is because of the way it smells. It smells beyond awful, and I'm allergic to it. It Gives me a splitting headache and causes my eyes to itch and water. Gee how fun!- NOT
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craigsaid
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And reality makes a break for it!
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deadpool
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While you're absolutely right that Cannabis will be subject to the same ludicrous taxation and harmful chemicals in cigarettes, one can cultivate Marijuana more easily than tobacco, which takes years to venture from harvest to carton.
And it's bad form, sir, to assume that one is uninformed because they might be high all the time. In fact, ganja makes education more pleasurable.
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cccocanicola:
Marijuana is illegal because it promotes a feminine, pacifistic lifestyle. That's BAD for a capitalist market. Alcohol on the other hand makes people extremely competitive, promotes masculinity etc so forth. It's not about 'fair' it's about the continued prosperity of the economy and our position as the world superpower. All superpowers in history have enacted similar restraints on their people to promote their desired 'standard of living' to the masses. Freedom of thought, freedom of expression they're dangerous to the status quo.
I may point out I do not use alcohol, tobacco, or marijuana! But I'm sure as shit not going to come down to where you work and slap the joint out of your mouth. Because I believe in fucking AMERICAN FREEDOM BY GOD! *in my most Oklahoman tone* *salutes flag* *eagle tear*
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I recently read a study that said the correlation between alcohol and violent crimes is higher than all other drugs combined. I never knew a person who gets violent while smoking unless you consider Doritos helpless victims of a junk food genocide
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"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." - Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)
"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
- George Washington, U.S. President"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
- John Adams, U.S. President"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use... Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana." - Jimmy Carter, U.S. President
"The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our nation's marijuana laws." -Barack Obama, January 2004
"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan, renown scientist, astronomer, astrochemist, author and TV host
"Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?" - Henry Ford, whose first Model-T was constructed from hemp fibers and built to run on hemp gasoline
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln
"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." - Albert Einstein quote on Hemp
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Conniepae:
I like them quotes ya got.
Except that Barack Obama stated in the same breath that legalizing was not on his agenda.
Also, I've seen those quotes often all in the same place. I'm not judging the authenticity, rather one's CTRL + C , CTRL V practice.
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Conniepae:
...Freedom Hater.
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Conniepae:
The quotes are from http://current.com/items/89792690_on-role-models-and-their-bongs.htm , originally from huffingtonpost.com 9 months ago. I repeat them whenever I have the opportunity. In my humble opinion, these quotes are too important to ignore. They are part of our history, which was removed from educational material and replaced with 'Reefer Madness' and replaced with comments like "I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast" - Ronald Reagan That's just crazy!
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Ares
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Why can't you people understand that if marijuana is legalized, it will be subjected to the SAME regulatory practices that tobacco products experience, and will be just as dangerous?
Oh that's right, because you're all high all the time.
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Ares:
how does your unsupported personal opinion lead to that conclusion?
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Ares
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Ares:
Years spent smoking every kind of cigarette imaginable, and a breadth of experience with the tobacco industry. Go ahead and get your wagging finger ready to scream how bias that makes me. I don't care.
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Ares:
You presume a lot based on me asking a simple question. I didn't offer an opinion of my own so you really should have no reason to be so defensive towards me. Anyways since you have already stated you're biased, and you don't care I'm pretty much satisfied. Thanks.
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Ares:
how exactly would legalizing cannibis make it just as dangerous as tobacco?
oh, and before you say i'm just a stupid biased stoner, i'm straight edge, and i still understand that there is no reason that marijuana should be illegal. - 2 years ago
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Ares:
Tobacco, by itself, is a relatively safe commodity to smoke. Commercializing the product and introducing government mandated preservative chemicals subjects the product to harboring of carcinogenic particles that makes the end product more structurally stable, but less safe for the consumer.
The government WILL place the same regulations on marijuana, should it ever become legalized.
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Ares:
So you think that if you start regulating marijuana that people will somehow start dyeing of multiple health issues that were never before related to marijuana use?
It never ceases to amaze me the lies that legalization opponents will tell and the lengths that they will go to in order to continue there assault on the personal freedoms of Americans. - 2 years ago
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Ares:
"So you think that if you start regulating marijuana that people will somehow start dyeing of multiple health issues that were never before related to marijuana use?"
No, what the fuck are you talking about? Should marijuana become a legal and marketed commodity, you will see people developing health issues extremely similar to those seen in lifetime cigarette smokers. How can you not see this?
ccco - "organic" and natural tobacco products are on the market, and that's certainly a possibility for marijuana, should the time come, but the trouble is that it's far easier and less expensive to make mass produced products that adhere to more stringent government regulations. Natural products like (in the tobacco world) American Spirit and Nat Sherman are much, much more expensive.
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Ares:
because tobacco and marijuana are not the same... that's the point of this study. the health risks are negligible especially in comparison to two other harmful and widespread substances. if marijuana had a major negative health effect we would know by now. millions of people smoke daily for years. it didn't take billions of dollars in research to know that coke and heroin will kill you. the deaths spoke for themselves. as far as marketing it as a commodity and controlling it goes, if people have a problem with it they can just grow their own. even middle school kids can do that with just a lamp and a closet...
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Ares:
The government WILL place the same regulations on marijuana, should it ever become legalized.
I'm so sure people wouldn't just grow their own or go to all the coffee shops and marijuana clubs that would spring up and get it fresh. No preservatives needed.
Why can't you people understand that if marijuana is legalized, it will be subjected to the SAME regulatory practices that tobacco products experience, and will be just as (non)dangerous as it already is?
Oh that's right, because you're all dickheads all the time.
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Ares:
The problem with this is that most of those additives in cigarettes are not in place as preservatives but instead are put in to either alter the effect/flavor/burning properties of the cigarettes. Also a problem with your argument is that the methods or cultivation for tobacco and marijuana are very very widely different. Marijuana traditionally undergoes NO curing step which cuts down on any sort of spoilage like what is seen during tobacco's curing process.
Even then, you can buy additive free tobacco currently but IT IS NOT HARMLESS. A big confusion people make with looking at the "safety" of natural cigarettes is that they figure since nicotine has no direct carcinogenic effects (although it can cut down on bodies defenses against) that pure tobacco also has no direct carcinogenic effects. This is DEAD WRONG.
Smoking additive free tobacco still exposes your lungs to dangerous levels of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and cyanide. The problem isn't just the additives in cigarettes, its the plant and largely its cultivation process.
Marijuana, no curing process, no need for additives, natural antibacterial properties, unfortunately not antifungal or you really wouldnt have to worry about additives ever.
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Umm yea man it does stain your teeth a little not as bad as cig's but there is still tar stains on my teeth.
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Very interesting Canada. I'm surprised it says no enforcement costs for tobacco. They must not be including the costs of policing sales to minors? I assume there is a legal age for purchase of tabacco in Canada, like in the US.
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Karolein:
It is there, it's just small.
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