Meat without animals? Science says yes!
source: http://www.livescience.com/health/091119-lab-meat.html
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Pork chops or burgers cultivated in labs could eliminate contamination problems that regularly generate headlines these days, as well as address environmental concerns that come with industrial livestock farms.
The researchers noted that growing skeletal muscle in labs — the kind people typically think of as the meat they eat — could help tackle a number of problems:
* Avoiding animal suffering by reducing the farming and killing of livestock.
* Dramatically cutting down on food-borne ailments such as mad cow disease and salmonella or germs such as swine flu, by monitoring the growth of meat in labs.
* Livestock currently take up 70 percent of all agricultural land, corresponding to 30 percent of the world's land surface, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations. Labs would presumably require much less space.
* Livestock generate 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions, more than all of the vehicles on Earth, the FAO added. Since the animals themselves are mostly responsible for these gases, reducing livestock numbers could help alleviate global warming.
However, such research opens up strange and perhaps even disturbing possibilities once considered only the realm of science fiction. After all, who knows what kind of meat people might want to grow to eat?
In Warren Ellis and Darick Robertson's epic sci-fi satire "Transmetropolitan," supermarkets and fast food joints sell dolphin, manatee, whale, baby seal, monkey and reindeer, while the Long Pig franchise sells "cloned human meat at prices you like."
"In principle, we could harvest the meat progenitor cells from fresh human cadavers and grow meat from them," Post said. "Once taken out of its disease and animalistic, cannibalistic context — you are not killing fellow citizens for it, they are already dead — there is no reason why not."
Is there a reason why not? What do you think about growing MEAT without animals?
http://www.livescience.com/health/091119-lab-meat.html
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meungawa
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It's amazing and embarrassing some even still have been trained to crave the taste of animal carcass; blech .. if they must, then sure, this is of course a much more preferably method for eating dead flesh ... bring it!
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meungawa
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Dejan_Croatia
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oh my god this is disgusting me it dont matter its still human mean how sick is this? what world are we living it i cant take this shit no more enough is enough please stop we will fall to our doom science needs to stop somewhere
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Dejan_Croatia
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zacmalinowski
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This technology would best be applied to "growing" replacement human parts, like heart valves, lung sections for post-ops and human cartilage for application in systems that could benefit from low-friction surfaces, rather than trying to feed ourselves.
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zacmalinowski
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Jordan_Ranson
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I don't care what kind of animal its from or how it was made. If its nutritious and delicious then thats all that matters to me.
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Jordan_Ranson
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bethopea
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mm...human meat - that's what we call: exotic
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bethopea
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krush_productions
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Cannibalism anyone?
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krush_productions
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krush_productions
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What is wrong with this world?
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krush_productions
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Natalia_Corres
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It sounds like "Oryx and Crake" - great book, scary premise. I am not opposed to cloned meat. I do think, however, that the human race has a tenuous hold on "humanity" already...and this might present ethical issues we are not ready to address. We have enough difficulty with the ethics involved in controlling our own bodies...and determining who/what has sentience...
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Natalia_Corres
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ozoneocean
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This sort of thing is a lot of blah, blah. You'll still get food bourne diseases and contamination (probably worse) and just the same amout of poloution from al the industrial processes involved. Personally I'd reather have industry supporting REAL animals rather than some silly utopian fantasy of perfect meat without suffering, poloution or disease that wouldn't in fact prevent ANY of that just ake us MORE reliant on industry.
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ozoneocean
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scarlettcutie_01
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There is so so so much to say on this thread... as a nutritionist and an active agrarian..this screams WRONG! I'm not getting into frivilous comment wars with uneducated people, just stating my opinion. Not to mention that economically and ergonomically it doesn't pan out.... it just leaves room for more problems.....
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scarlettcutie_01
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robotanist
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agreed, this could potentially ease the blight put forth by the industrial farms. Being a vegan...I have grown a displeasure to the taste and texture of meat, I don't see myself running for this lab food, but I think that it's a helpful step in lessoning the suffering of so many beings.
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robotanist
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artemis6
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they could grow transplant organs . THAT would be good . Everything dies . As long as it had a decent life , it will be used by some organism .
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artemis6
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ankab
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artemis6:
well the difference is you could eat a rootabagga but it wouldn't be useful as kidney...Why would they think of masproducing human flesh for consumption? That is sick. I wouldn't want to be a part of something so discusting.
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ankab
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baby_im_bad_NEWS
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this is weird, I can see the benefits but it's really strange. Although the more I think about eating meat, that is very strange as well. Even though I'm not a vegetarian...
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baby_im_bad_NEWS
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esserius
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I vote for the non-cannibalism cannibalism. This will be weird if it happens.
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esserius
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Mitten
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As a vegetarian there is no way in a million years that you could get me to eat that.
I know some veggies out there love the taste of meat etc. and eat a lot of meat substitutes but I can't stand either, it's still an imitation of living tissue, so the boundaries for me are too close to eating your pet cat or even human tissue.
Secondly, if people are thinking that this is going to help the industrial meat situation, it's a step in the wrong direction. Intensive farming of anything, without respect for nature's balance/time and space needed - always leads to bad things, so I can imagine this turning into something horrific and very science fiction indeed.
That said, I've never been one to convince people to take responsibility for what they eat, so I'm not going to start now. If people want to eat this kind of stuff, then so be it, the western world already consumes a hell of a lot of crap anyway.
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Mitten
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melaniekaye
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I hope this becomes common place in the market. It would finally be an end to the suffering of livestock and environmental destruction.
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melaniekaye
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atmospheriKC
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It's great that technology is advancing and all, but this whole meat without animals idea is really just ridiculous.
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atmospheriKC
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TheCeej
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This is really fascinating and very alarming simultaneously. Definitely makes me feel like we would be playing God in doing this. Is that a bad thing/good thing? Who knows. Would the meat taste like grass-feed angus or kobe steak? Will it also extend to tuna and other seafood? The thought of eating lab-cultured human meat is also intriguing, mainly due to being able to do so without killing anyone. Definitely a story to watch and gnaw on... :)
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TheCeej
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SB420
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So: if we can create meat in labs, and we can create life in labs, can we create meat shaped lifeforms? I'd like to see burger patties being raised in pens within the next few years. all you'd have to do is kill (optional) one and eat it. And it would be boneless.
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SB420
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tootersmoocher
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It's cool if you don't want to eat meat, but we all have canines. We're evolutionarily built to eat meat. Sure this may be "meat," but if you start playing around like this, you start screwing up the natural order of "what eats what." To do this you would have to kill the millions upon millions of livestock animals we currently have at our disposal (which pretty much defeats the purpose, I presume, of engineering this "meat" in the first place.) We've allowed millions of animals to breed in captivity for a purpose: to eat them. What would happen to all these animals? Free them? That would put quite a burden on the food web of that particular area. They would eat all the foliage, and other species would die out from a lack of food supply. In turn animals that eat the animals that wanted to eat said foliage would die out or relocate to another area where they would themselves disrupt the natural order of things in yet another area. This is just one of those ideas that sounds way better in theory than execution. If nothing else, this will turn out to be just nifty science experiments.
It was interesting as a biologist to read this, but this whole notion is poppycock.
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tootersmoocher
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bethopea
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tootersmoocher:
Free the Cows!
One could only imagine the enormous stampeeds or the year round camp fires.
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bethopea
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bethopea
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also, i do not think that the FDA will be regualted to label the stuff 'lab grown meat' - just as there are no current or pending laws on genetically engineered fruits and veggies...just a matter of business - in the end, it is who can make the most profit, not who can save the most lives.
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bethopea
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Gimly
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I would eat it when i comes out ^_^
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Gimly
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iamocho
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To me lab-grown meat seems a little creepy but it couldn't be any worse than fast food meat
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iamocho
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onechance
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So rad! Since there are tons of holdouts that will never stop eating meat, not to mention the impoverished people that have no other choice in some cases, this is the perfect answer!
I REALLY hope they make this a reality, sooner than later. People shouldn't have a problem eating it, hell, we already eat GM EVERYTHING anyway...
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onechance
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bethopea
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this is good - it seems good - but i can't help but be a sceptic who is full of consparicy theories as to how they (the govts) would use this as a mind control tool - or population tool for that matter....though since I can't quite figure out the disadvantages, well, that is all for now.
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bethopea
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2helenahandbasket
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You people are unbelievable. How stupid can you get, to think it's a good idea for us to eat fake meat? You, who protest against Monsando, and like companies? I can't believe this...... You lefties really ARE crazy....
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2helenahandbasket
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Eddie_Miller
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if anything it helps save animals from a live of torture. now i don't feel bad for eating my sandwich :D
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Eddie_Miller
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Rickharmon25
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Just my opinion and thoughts: I do not think that it would be wrong to do it, but it sure is heading towards the idea of growing babies next so women do not have to become pregnant to reproduce. It is a very sensitive subject. Also, what about all of the farmers who would lose their farms and livelihood?
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Rickharmon25
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rebelution07
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This is nasty and wrong, we shouldn't be eating human meat, period. I'd rather eat the real thing. And is this where our tax dollars are going!?
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rebelution07
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JanforGore
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GE ANYTHING in regards to food and our environment is unnatural, unethical, immoral, and irresponsible. I just about guarantee any sort of GE meat like GMOs will have its fill of chemicals and toxins as well that will cause health effects to humans, other species, and this planet. But leave it to humans to find some way to think they are escaping culpability for killing animals instead of changing their lifestyles. There are already protein alternatives to meat, and this would not stop the killing of animals. It would clearly be done for profit motive.
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JanforGore
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FishaHouse777
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100% GE meat does NOT, most definitely does NOT sound good.
I'd rather starve than eat something spawned out of a biological vat, cloned from something dead. Deep inside me I know there is something very wrong with this practice. - 2 years ago
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FishaHouse777
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bailey78
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FishaHouse777:
Soylent Green anybody?
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bailey78
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bailey78
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I like my meat to have been on the hoof at one time or another. I would prefere to buy free range food of any kind. I don't like the fact that we are eating mass produced anything. My brother and his family raise rabbits and goats for most of there meat. once a year He gets a steer and raises that till it gets about half grown then slauters it. that gives them beef for six or eight months.
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bailey78
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dbmurti
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In India, I've noticed that the bulls that eat the garbage on city streets are much smaller. Partly this is because they haven't been bred for muscle size. Partly, this is because their four stomachs are filled with plastic and styrofoam.
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dbmurti
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morgslucille
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It would be strange to see a world where, when you eat meat you visualize a laboratory, instead of an animal. It completely detaches your connection with actual animals. Odd. Also, does this mean you can make a jumbo steak? I'd love some jumbo steak. Instead of having the biggest pumpkin competition, we'd have the biggest chicken wing contest.
And on the topic of growing human meat, well, it matters what society will think. Though to think of that as a social norm is unrealistic at best. - 2 years ago
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morgslucille
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Nythology
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A great way to reduce the amount of animals slaughtered, increase the amount of edible meat, and freak the living fuck out of fundamentalists. Good points all around. I approve.
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Nythology
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daveycakes
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it sounds great, but surely this would lead to mass unemployment?
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daveycakes
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daveycakes:
well how is that a bad thing, but in short answer its no. Only 1% of americans work in agriculture.
Unemployment is our destiny thanks to technology. - 2 years ago
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tootersmoocher
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daveycakes:
"only 1%" is only 3 million plus Americans...who would have no job and no means to buy this (probably) ridiculously expensive lab meat.
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tootersmoocher
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Lurkistan
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This could be big, we already eat food that is totally unnatural and designed in labs, so its really not as big of a deal as people think. Think of all that grazing space that could be used for other agriculture or be rehabilitated back to being wild lands. This won't replace "real" meat completely but it could turn out to be a real energy/space saver.
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Lurkistan
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onechance
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Lurkistan:
True. Have any of you ever looked into the Bovine Growth Hormones most all cattle are already fed in that stuff you call "meat" that you buy at the grocery store? It's SO UNNATURAL ALREADY.
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onechance
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NuclearLullaby
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This is both creepy & a little bit cool at the same time! & if it all goes well with this it just MIGHT change the way people think of food & even life it's self!
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NuclearLullaby
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ankab
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NuclearLullaby:
The creapiest thing I ever heard. I'm finding nothing cool about it. It is canibalism however you look at it. I can see cloning animals & harvesting the products. I, myself am repulsed by the idea of eating human flesh. Death seems much better.
Normal37 is right. It is fate worse than death. They have been staring a wee too much at the petrie dish. - 2 years ago
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ankab
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raiderguyx
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no thank you...
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raiderguyx
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bailey78
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raiderguyx:
Soylent Green anybody?
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bailey78
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asherp
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Super Cow looks effing delicious. So many delicious steaks.
Honestly, I feel no remorse about eating locally grown, grass fed beef. I used to, and I knew a beef rancher, and he brought it to my attention, that there is no such thing as a cow getting old and dying.
Cows get that get old get weak, and are killed and eaten by buzzards, coyotes, etc, before they get a chance to die on their own. To be eaten is the fate of the cow.
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asherp
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michail77
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I suppose how creepy it is is inversely proportional to how hungry you are.
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michail77
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michail77
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I don't see why the progenitor cells would need to be harvested from cadavers, unless a large quantity of tissue was required. In theory shouldn't you be able to eat yourself?
Anyway, the benefits to this could be huge for the environment and ethics.
This could be the next big step in our species farming abilities since early humans began cultivating crops. I can just see early humans arguing if it was safe to eat cultivated, farmed crops vs gathering in the wild.
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michail77
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Lurkistan
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michail77:
Exactly, we already eat food that is more unnatural than this, Mtn. Dew anyone?
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Lurkistan
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jjkenjr
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It is creepy but no more creepier than the unsanitary conditions of most industrial farms
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EmperorThan
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And do you people seriously think the Super Cow can live in the wild??? JUST LOOK AT THAT FUCKING THING!!
(Or look at that 'thing fucking', rather. For the piece of the clip enlarged on my comment... hahaha)
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EmperorThan
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Lurkistan
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EmperorThan:
Why wouldn't it be able to live in the wild? Give it enough grass to eat and it would be fine, what predator is going to attack that fucking thing?
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Lurkistan
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EmperorThan:
I would attack it....and put it in a freezer locker, and then eat it over a couple weeks.....That's some grade a steak meat right there man, i'm sorry if that offends you vegetarians.
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FishaHouse777
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UWAZell
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EmperorThan:
I love where the bloke says that, 'When you look at this you can't help but think of lunch.'
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UWAZell
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mojojuju
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EmperorThan:
That big animal, if allowed to run wild, would probably trample my garden. It might even try to sexually assault me.
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mojojuju
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Lurkistan
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EmperorThan:
@ fisha, I would pay to see you attack that guy, he would break your monkey ass. Just don't breed these super cows to eat meat that would not be wise.
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Lurkistan
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passjay
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Let it be, let it be!!!
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passjay
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norml37
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WTF!!! I believe if Scientist took fresh GREEN Horse shit and said it was great for you, and it helped save the land, people in sections of this country trample each other trying to be first. I DON'T WANT MAN MADE LAB MEAT!!!
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norml37
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Lurkistan
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norml37:
Then don't eat it!
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Lurkistan
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EmperorThan
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Why not just animals without brains? Then they'd be growing without being an individual, with HUMON FEEELINGS???
We domesticated these animals FOR EATING some of you non anthropology majors might not recall. What are we going to do with the animals after we stop eating them? We can't release them in the wild, they NEVER lived there! No really, they didn't. So what are we going to do with the animals we're no longer eating like cows and pigs. Formerly aurochs and wild boar's respectively.
We domesticated them to be freakishly big and fat for eating, and docile for easy killing. They can't live in the wild without us. They'll be eaten in a second without their old horns, attitudes, and low body fat for easy running away.
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EmperorThan
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mojojuju
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EmperorThan:
"So what are we going to do with the animals we're no longer eating like cows and pigs."
I would like one of these liberated animals. I would allow it to graze in my backyard, freeing me from the time I would have to take to mow it.
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mojojuju
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EmperorThan:
and chaining you with massive piles of shit and the inability to come into your backyard. you ever been around a large animal when it's angry? confused? i hate to say this but you sound like a peta noob.
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onechance
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EmperorThan:
Nephwrack: I know 3 people that have big fat, smart DOMESTIC pigs. They are smarter than dogs, and totally sweet. Have YOU ever been around a large animal?
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onechance
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EmperorThan:
if we stopped raping animals, we wouldn't produce animals to be taken care of.
the issue wouldn't last very long as many animal have been bred in such a way that they have shorter lifespans.
just because animals were domesticated for a purpose, doesn't mean that it was right. colonization was done for a purpose too.
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Lauren_Susoeff
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CalgarC
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wait Mcdonalds...
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CalgarC
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YtuMira
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The problem can't be solved by technology alone. It's the modern western diet that needs to change.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/mark_bittman_on_what_s_wrong_with_what_we_eat.... - 2 years ago
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hell0everything
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Question!: So...is this pretty much vegan/vegetarian meat? It's technically an "animal product", but all the reasons a vegan/vegetarian wouldn't eat meat have been eliminated from the production of this stuff.
Even so, I'm not so sure I'd indulge in some lab steak after years of not eating any.
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hell0everything
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onechance
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hell0everything:
No, vegetarians and vegans don't eat meat, period. Doesn't matter where it comes from. Also, your perception of "why" is a bit limited... I'm veg because meat grosses me the hell out, among a slew of other reasons.
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onechance
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Yecal
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won't be real, the life force won't be there. you can't just create life force in the lab. silly scientist
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Yecal
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Lurkistan
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Yecal:
What exactly is life force again? This meat would be made up of living cells, do cells not have life force?
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Lurkistan
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unimatrix0
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Yecal:
"life force" is so quaint, so 19th century.
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unimatrix0
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Yecal:
life force is essential fatty acids that are "brain foods" and only available in some meat and a few plants naturally it is available to all in the cycle of life.
in the "modern world"it has been cut of for most.........
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ras_menelik
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Nephwrack
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Yecal:
electricity.
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Nephwrack
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bethopea
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Yecal:
life force - uuuh - is that like a force of gravity?
everything with mass (regardlass of size) has it - just relitive to your size and position.
think a 'life force' in this case can be perceived differently depending on the chef. - 2 years ago
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bethopea
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asherp
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Yecal:
They'll have to exercise the meat using electricity.
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asherp
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DeliaTheArtist
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That's an interesting point, Ras - imitation substances haven't stopped us from killing real animals yet- so I wonder if this "lab meat" would just be the cheap "knock off" stuff while real meat's prices would rise and be considered a luxury?
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DeliaTheArtist
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ras_menelik
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DeliaTheArtist:
the problem as I see is not in the killing but the life we give them before death
the cycle of life is what is at stake and all test tube meat will do is help the Mcdees and the Kfcs Llc. improve their image and bottom-line.
and yes this will help more animals suffer as the factory farms try to comp-meat with the lab piece of meat!!!!!
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ras_menelik
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EmperorThan
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DeliaTheArtist:
To me this would only help the third world and poor people in our own country (especially in this economy), not much else. It wouldn't become an alternative to real meat it would simply be a means of feeding the poor who can't afford the real thing.
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EmperorThan
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iameam
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Textured Vegetable Product rules! When I've been to China, I've always eaten in the Buddhist restaurants, and they do amazing things with TVP. Of course, they're not able to reproduce the experience of Filet Mignon. Yummy:)
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iameam
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onechance
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iameam:
Agreed. I LOVE my veggie-meat.
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onechance
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ras_menelik
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this has nothing to do with the ethical treatment of animals,yes shut down factory farms don't exterminate the things we have turned them in to it was not there doing if we can manage wild life we can manage domesticated animals back to nature.
imitation crab
imitation oil canola
imitation meat
GMO substances
meat like substanceall this is is our concision telling us we are fucking up all the while the usual suspect's finding a way to make a buck and nothing else...................
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ras_menelik
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aswift1
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this is the kind of science I'd like to see developed before I pass any judgement. I'd develop it, test it, market it and see what issues arise, then weigh all the pros and cons before deciding because it does seem that it could be beneficial... but who knows what else.
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aswift1
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FishaHouse777
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aswift1:
You are what you eat, that should be evidence enough that genetically engineered meat grown from clones should not be eaten by us. But you are right, let's market this to the masses and see what happens.
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FishaHouse777
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ras_menelik
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In those old slave-holding days the whole community was agreed as to one thing--the awful sacredness of slave property. To help steal a horse or a cow was a low crime, but to help a hunted slave, or feed him or shelter him, or hide him, or comfort him, in his troubles, his terrors, his despair, or hesitate to promptly to betray him to the slave-catcher when opportunity offered was a much baser crime, & carried with it a stain, a moral smirch which nothing could wipe away. That this sentiment should exist among slave-owners is comprehensible--there were good commercial reasons for it--but that it should exist & did exist among the paupers, the loafers the tag-rag & bobtail of the community, & in a passionate & uncompromising form, is not in our remote day realizable. It seemed natural enough to me then; natural enough that Huck & his father the worthless loafer should feel it & approve it, though it seems now absurd. It shows that that strange thing, the conscience--the unerring monitor--can be trained to approve any wild thing you want it to approve if you begin its education early & stick to it.
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ras_menelik
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onechance
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ras_menelik:
Spot on.
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onechance
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unimatrix0
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Sounds like a good idea.
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unimatrix0
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DeliaTheArtist
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A little creepy though...not sure that I'd eat human meat, lab created or not. Many ethical questions follow these developments!
- 2 years ago
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DeliaTheArtist
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asherp
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DeliaTheArtist:
Soylent Green anybody?
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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ras_menelik
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DeliaTheArtist:
It's only humanism asherp
- 2 years ago
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ras_menelik
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asherp
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DeliaTheArtist:
In the film Soylent Green, they make labmeat, but it turns out to be a hell of a lot cheaper to just process the bodies of executed prisoners into meat paste wafers, so they just start doing that instead.
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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RaceBannon
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i've been hearing this for a while and I'm glad this could be the beginning of the end of the industrial farming
- 2 years ago
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RaceBannon
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asherp
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RaceBannon:
How is growing food in a lab the end of industrial farming?
It's the next logical step in industrial farming! It's exactly what industrial farmers WISH they could do!
No, the end of industrial farming comes when people become localvores, and eat only meats that are organic, free range, and local.
- 2 years ago
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asherp
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RaceBannon
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RaceBannon:
my bad i meant the end of actually using livestock in an industrial manner, hence bringing forth lovely things like swine, avian flu into existence. I'm advocating creating the meat out of bio engineering processes so theoretically we wouldn't need to chemically/genetically enhance the meat for whatever purpose. We could save space, land and provided food for free (if we get to that point). Now this science has to be used responsibly, obviously splicing cow genes with fish genes or whatever isn't the way this should be used.
Its a tough one, but I would look at it like making body parts out of stem cells. You don't want to harvest the finger from a living person, when it could be done in a lab. I see your concerns though because waiting for the industry to suddenly develop ethics is bit naive. - 2 years ago
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RaceBannon
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onechance
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RaceBannon:
You're both right. There will always be farms, and that's not a big bad deal at all. I'm vegetarian and I grew up on a farm. No problem at all with farm-raised animals that are free-range and treated well before being eaten as long as everything is painless and humane. Some people will NEVER touch *labmeat* so this will HELP small farmers to get back on their feet and regain control of the market over the factory bastards that stole it away in the name of dirty profits.
- 2 years ago
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onechance
