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British humanist campaign questions religious indoctrination of children

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A British humanist campaign is questioning the morality of the religious indoctrination of children. Should children be given the freedom to decide which religion they want to belong to, if any? Is it ethical to force a religion, and a religious label, upon a child?

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-10853-Portland-Humanist-Examiner~y2009m11d20-...
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  • Richard_Collins
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      Richard_Collins  
    • For reasons I cannot determine, the video of Maryam Namazie posted with my comment. I cannot delete my comment or get rid of the video. Not that I am against Maryam's message. I am a huge fan of hers, but he topic does not fit my post.

    • 1 year ago
  • Richard_Collins
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      Richard_Collins  
    • No it is unethical on the face of it. Parents in democratic societies don't choose a spouse for their children so why should they feel entitled to choose a religion for them?. Such decisions are highly personal and belong to the person who will live with the consequences of their choice.

      The ancient practice of herding children into a faith is a holdover from patriarchal customs that regarded children as property. Childhood indoctrination is staunchly defended by the institutions because they know children are vulnerable to control and lack intellectual defenses. Even so children as young as eight or nine can smell a rat, but getting out is not a fight they can win against determined parents and clerics.

      I am happy to see the campaign to question this travesty against children and I work daily to educate people and share my research. Adults are free to engage in religious practices as they see fit. Why is it we abhor strong arm tactics to gain adult adherents but allow the institutions to prey on hapless children? If the Catholic church falls into ruin because adults fully aware of what they stand for and their history walk away. So be it. They do not deserve to survive.

      http//:www,endhereditaryreligion.com

    • 1 year ago
  • Tyr
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      Tyr  
    • One of the primary reasons that religious people long to "introduce" children to catechism, training, value teaching or what ever euphenism you want to call indoctination, is because at an early age children are programable. Much as Pavolov's dog would salivate at the ringing of the bell after it had associated being fed with the bell.
      I am of the belief that most human beings that have not been subjected to religious indoctrination do not have the "conditioned reflex" to believe in concepts such as heaven or Hell, talking snakes, or virgin births. They tend to reject those concepts as primitive explanations for life and the universe. They acted as a substitute for scientific knowledge. I am also convinced that if a scroll would surface that stated that Jesus refuted the very concept of Hell ,that the following Sunday the churches would be empty. The idea that this powerful God will subject a human being to an eternity of unimaginably horrific torture for the offense of telling a lie, or for a man to see an attractive woman and imagine making love to her...to any reasonable individual that is ludicrous... Religious organizations have, over the years, cataloged just about each and every human characteristic and labeled them as offensive to God which will then bring down upon you a fierce punishment...in exactly the same way a child relates to his or her parent. the child relates their helpless position with their parents to that with a God....that is how the imprinting takes place.. It's a miserable thing to do to a child actually , and if you doubt that, let me pose this question to all the Christians who are ready to pounce on me with all their righteous indignation...how do you feel about the religious indoctrination of Muslim children? do you think it's good thing ? If you can see the problem with other religions filling the heads of their children with ideas you disagree with , how is your doing the same damn thing any different?

    • 2 years ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • Tyr:

      I find it comical that people who have no religious affiliation seem to know all about it.To hear them talk, religious people just live and breed so they can turn their children into mad, evil CHRISTIANS. To quote a phrase... BWAHAHAHA!! You make it sound like Hitler's youth camp with the 'indoctrination' thing.

      You're right. ALL parents begin to teach their children values when they are young. How can you expect to teach them nothing and then at some point have them know anything? Whether a person is religious or not, if you do not teach your child some values and morals at an early age, I promise you he will grow up with none. Why do you think our society is over run with kids who have no consciences?

      I will not get into a religious debate with you. I'm sure you can make your own choices about religion and choose to either take it or leave it, just like my child who has been taught about the Bible can choose to take it or leave it one day. He may choose to leave it, but he at least has enough knowledge to make an informed decision about it.

      Of COURSE a British humanist organization is questioning. They, if they have their way, will remove ALL religions from the face of the earth. It's their goal. My view, on the other hand, is to say that NO government has the right to tell parents how or what values to teach their kids. It's certainly not the business of some humanist group. Would you agree to allow the government to dictate what YOU teach your kids?

      To answer your question, if Muslim parents want to teach their children that it's NOT OK to kill innocent people, then I have no problem with their religion. I hope you're NOT trying to make any kind of connection between the beliefs of Islam and Christianity...

    • 2 years ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • Those of us who have children tend to teach our children our values and ideas about life, just like people who have no religious stance do with their kids. People whose religious beliefs are important to them try to pass on those beliefs just as they do any other belief they have. That in no way makes them wrong. On the other hand, children who are raised with NO beliefs tend to continue to have no beliefs. How DARE anyone try to question the MORALITY of a parent teaching their religious belief to their children? Just WHERE do morals come from, if not from religion, and if not taught? Parents can only teach what they believe. When the child is old enough they can either accept it or reject it and find their own way. Having been taught morals is much more important than NEVER having been taught.

    • 2 years ago
  • reactionforce
  • 2helenahandbasket
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      2helenahandbasket  
    • 2helenahandbasket:

      "Morals don't come from religion."

      Try telling that to the left wingers who have insisted that anything that smacks of "morals" be removed from the school system. Those things that once were though of as morals have been replaced by "Everyone has his own version of right and wrong. One person's 'wrong' might be another person's 'right'. We need tolerance of ALL views."

      Teaching our kids to tolerate any kind of behavior also teaches them that there are no limits on personal behavior. If our kids are not taught the limits of decency at home or at school, where do we think THEIR 'morals' will come from?

    • 2 years ago
  • reactionforce
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      reactionforce  
    • 2helenahandbasket:

      Religion is a creation of man. Therefor, morality came from the mind of man. And if a kid is too stupid to see the difference between an excuse for behavior and an explanation for behavior, they don't really matter anyway.
      I think your argument assumes that no church going right wingers (since it's a wing issue now) are moral people. That, of course, couldn't be further from the truth.

      Cheers!

    • 2 years ago
  • pjacobs51
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      pjacobs51  
    • I think it's wrong to force any religion on your children. 9 times out of ten they will rebel and possibly not learn any morels at all.

      I've had great results with my kids by encouraging them to watch Star Trek when and if they wanted to. That and teaching them about the science of the universe really helped too.

    • 2 years ago
  • Numbz
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      Numbz  
    • That's how it goes though. You grow up with one relgion and then when you get older you can decide for yourself if it's right for you or not.

      I grew up going to church every Sunday. I was aware of other religions. I was aware that not one knows what religion is right if any is right at all. I got to be about 13, and started looking at other religions and then decided that Christianity was right for me.

      But you can't just let a kid grow up without knowing their religious options... I mean, unless you're atheist and that's what you're going for.

    • 2 years ago
  • tangibleparadox
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      tangibleparadox  
    • Numbz:

      i was raised christian without knowing my religious options.

      my children will know that they don't have to believe as i do and will be taught of various religious beliefs. if they eventually decide they want to go to church, they are free to attend. if not, fine by me. no pressure.

    • 2 years ago
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