Healthcare bill can start saving lives within 90 days of enactment

No one's throwing anyone in jail because of the health care bill. That's a lie started by Palin, and is just that, an OUTRIGHT LIE.

She didn't come out and say people will go to jail. She was saying there has to be punishment. And why in the world would you turn down health care anyway? Why would we have to pay for your butt, simply because you think you're invincible?

Is that not my choice as an american? no matter how arrogant my decision may be, why should the government have this much control over my life?

the Public venues you have given examples of are mostly payed for by local tax dollars, not the Fed. The Fed may stipend but they do not pay for it's entirety. So along your same thought process if a community wants to opt out of a library they stop it's funding so in healthcare, communities could not fund health care if they choose so, right? NOT No good will come of this

Health insurance requires a large risk pool, so for its own success, it needs more subscribers than a local jurisdiction will offer. Not to mention that by allowing some jurisdictions to have it and some not, entire cities will be segregated into those that have insurance and those that need it. People who lose work will have to pack up their lives, sell their homes, and move to a pro-public option city. I hope you can see that health care needs to be more accessible. That's kind of why this whole debate started to begin with.

Just look at the history of socialist tyranny.

Without public schools, the poor would stay poor (and more would turn to crime) because they wouldn't be educated. Without Police (which is a public service), Firemen, or the Military, crime would increase 100-fold. Without public transportation, millions and millions of people would be without work (how would that effect your precious economy?). Without public lawyers, millions of innocent people would be falsely imprisoned. Without public housing, tonnes of people would be homeless.

Whether you like it or not, those public services are doing a hell of a lot of good. So would public healthcare. Sure, those services aren't perfect, but how can you expect perfection from anything? Even you're not perfect.

This bill would do a lot of good.

I agree jan, the insurance companies are the problem. This regulation of them is not going to fix the problem.

Seriously, if you need a 2000 page bill to provide enough regulation to control an industry... it makes me wonder if the industry should be privatized in the first place.

You may as well nationalize the system.

A Public OPTION will not pass the Senate.

inspirationseeker,

First of all, how the hell am I going to read 2,000 pages of legal speak on my own? I doubt you read it all either. I can read cliff notes and pick out the important parts that parts that are BS.

Read this story...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6719913.html

The main concern with your article appears to be the reinsurance portion which is being set up to help early retirees. Obviously this plan is not going to work out perfectly for everyone however it is not right from the perspective of ethics to post facts about something this important that you cannot verify with direct evidence i.e. "Is this the same health care bill that gives over 100 million dollars in pork for more Katrina "relief?" The same health care bill that funnels millions to Democratic front groups?" I don't know, is it? Show me where.

I can come on here all day and write all sorts of things and half the people who read it will believe me. I wish that people would actually look at the facts with an open mind and then make a logical and rational decision, not just blurt things out that other people have said. But I realize that is asking a lot.

Insprirationseeker, thank you for all the reading you're doing. I myself barely learned to read til I was going on 8 years of age, having a bit to do with having been POISONED to damn strangulation in the womb from a chain smoking Mom whose doctor told her I was protected by the placental barrier.

And once I figured that out my wonderful butt in their mouth state of Virginia passed a law no residents of Virginia could sue the tobacco companies for damages.

I may not read very fast but reading isn't required to recognize a giant screw stuck in my back by politicians, and it is that screw that imparts to me an amazing ability to see other screws. For that I do not require you to read the bill to me.

I have been purposely kept disabled by Roanoke Va doctors for 20 years. I have drawn out more disability check money than I earned in my entire life, and I would have liked to went back to work. But I encountered a string of do-nothing doctors (call themselves doctors) who decided I was their Meal Ticket.

Since this new bill is going to leave these doctors in their jobs I fail to see where I benefit. I'm in their revolving door, right exactly where they wanted me, right exactly where they kept me, right exactly where I will be after the bill becomes law or it doesn't.

I have accomplished some amazing work in health but sometimes you actually do need a surgeon. Operating on myself is something I've decided not to do even though I figured out a good way to do it. On a lark I wrote three qualified people outside my area but still in Virginia. They crapped out too.

Thank you all for my disability checks. However, if this Commonwealth of Damnation Virginia had not passed their restriction on suing the tobacco companies I would have never needed em. Well, that's what happens when you allow a pocket of COMMUNISM to thrive uncorrected.

It is not correct for people living & working in Utah or Colorado to be paying into taxes and some of it being used to pay disability checks to Virginians who were similarly poisoned as I was, and I assure you there are many of us. We have been glossed over and shoved under a rug hoping no one would see what Virginia had done.

Cigarettes my parents smoked in 1950 were a vile product, and later on it was also discovered how the tobacco companies had stuffed even more garbage into their products to keep people addicted. And yet they walked scott free, le4aving citizens all over the country paying their burden for them so they could remain in business and properly tithing in their communities.

Such is the size of a Virginia screw.

What do you mean by level the playing field? if you mean level the opportunity then i agree. Albeit if its to reward failure with rewards then we disagree. What sense does it make to "level the playing field" for skilled and unskilled workers? Should a toolmaker make the same amount as the tool user? Without the toolmaker the tool user would be under/unemployed.

Opportunity for all those with a strong work ethic whom greatly contribute to the functioning of our society. Without them, the gears dont oiled and the job is incomplete. Someone has to get their hands dirty no matter how menial the task at hand might seem. Everyone plays a role and is part of the equation.

Define: Failure

You aren't helping me at all. I have a bum thyroid that causes me to have 15 "pre-existing" conditions. I am insured and they wrote me off years ago held the door open for me to drive home after they found my heart was trying to BEAT BACKWARDS. Hurry up and get to the part that tells everybody else they're going to get treated like me.

I'm tired of standing on the plank alone. I'm not the Pope you know.

Your situation is exactly what this part of the bill seems to be addressing, I don't understand your comment.

No it isn't. I already have both Medicare AND Humana and the issues I need medical help with these dummies call elective, so all you've told me is squat behind a bush like I've already been doing for 20 years since I was disabled. You read stuff that applies to the uninsured, which tells me I'm standing in the same damn sidewalk crack I've been in remaining unattended to for 20 years.

I take it you think Medicare works. I got news for you buddy. It gets you 5 minutes on ONE PROBLEM. If you come in with multiple issues needing help the doctors are incapable of stretching their lunch hour. My last doctor 4 years ago looked me straight in the face and told me he didn't have TIME to help me with all my issues.

I stopped going and started self-diagnosing and treating myself from a health store shelf. I've spent over $9,000.00 of my disability checks in the last 5 years for health products because my doctors wouldn't do their job.

When do ya get to the part in there that says I get some of my $9,000 back for DOCTORING MY OWN SELF because American doctors here in Roanoke Virginia suck rotten eggs?

Since I am my own doctor and have been real good at it I should be able to bill Medicare and get paid some back wages. Is that in the bill either? Well then, the screw is still in my back and the bill / law is for everybody else. Just like trying to press a malpractice lawsuit in Roanoke Virginia, where they've written loopholes to escape ever paying any. Hey, come to Virginia it's for Lovers, just don't get hurt here.

Don't travel here, don't move here, don't work here and if you're a truck driver refuse to drive through here or deliver here. Stay in states that actually have lawyers. Not this scam state. Commonwealth, whatever, communists all. All the doctors set prices, all the dentists set the same prices. hahaha Va, where they refuse to take any out-of-state dental plans at full pay. Mob state.

Your law won't work here fella. They'll figure ways around it like they do every other law, such as the way they denied Virginia residents any right to sue the tobacco companies for damages. Go hawk your fantasy bill somewhere else. In Virginia your ass is grass.

Larry! It's helping lower the rates of depression and mental illness by assuring people we'll all be here following 2012. They need to keep everyone happy & punching the clock, too busy to notice them boarding their new shiny space ships from those internment camp-looking places.

For gosh sakes Larry, where ya been man? They found drinking water on the Moon, which also gave them confirmation #1 the universe is human-friendly and #2 likely has all kinds of human-sustaining water.

Time to sell my shit !

People in the insurance industry can rest assured their profits will continue to rise while the rest of the country barely avoids a full blown depression. You wouldn't want to see CIGNA or Humana CEOs go without would you? The insurance industry is our god. We literally live and die at their will. Have some respect.

The problem you have is signing up for Medicare Humana. That is the insurance industry version of Medicare. Real Medicare is run only by the government and works well. People who say get Medicare for all are talking about a government plan with no for-profit insurance industry involved at all. This is and will be the ultimate solution.

Well having no insurance is socially (and personally) irresponsible. In fact, it probably has a lot to do with why you pay the amount that you do currently for health insurance, so that wouldn't make sense. That's why ideally everyone would be forced to have some sort of coverage, even if it is government subsidized for less fortunate people.

On top of that, this is pretty far from socialized medicine. If you don't want their plan then keep the one you have.

It seems obvious that health care left to the free market is a disaster, and why wouldn't it be? How can a company, whose sole purpose is to profit, have interests that best support its customers, particularly in an industry that is practically calculated gambling? When an actuary sits down and decides how much money some group ought to pay for certain coverage, and the risk to profit that they pose, what they are really doing is pushing people who need health care away from coverage because they are a liability. That probably isn't in anyone's best interest. It's our civic duty to take care of people who have lost their livelihoods in this system.

It's time to abandon that "everyone out for themselves" mentality and build a social safety net that provides basic rights to everyone.

The rumor that you will be put in jail if you do not buy health insurance is an outright LIE started by Palin. OUTRIGHT LIE. Do not keep spreading filth.

To say that not having medical insurance is irresponsible is a personal value judgment, not a fact. The health care industry has not been a free market since the beginning of the 20th century, that is why it is such a mess. I suggest you read a little about the history of government intervention in the health care industry. What the government is offering is socialized medicine and it sucks. As far as insurance goes, if I don't like their rules I don't have to buy it. If they don't live up to their contract I can sue. This is not true with a government run plan that I am forced to buy. What happens if the government refuses to pay for a treatment that was part of the contract, and trust me they will?

Not having medical insurance is socially irresponsible when others are being forced to pay for it...i.e. socialism.

Its irresponsible because everyone else with insurance has to pay for your lazy ass. There is no reason I should have to pay for a lazy ass that doesnt want to get healthcare insurance by having my insurances premiums raised 13%+ on a yearly bases. When Medical coverage in this country makes up 17% of our GDP, ( gross demomestic product) higher then any other country, and we spend 2.2 TRILLION dollars a year on health care a year, more then any other country and we are ranked 26th in the world in the coverage we have, doesnt really say much. As well as far as free market, there is no such thing becuase Insurance companies are aloud to create have an Anti-trust(monopoly) and not have anything done to them, like every other company or industry in the nation. As 2/3 of every bankruptcy in this country is becuase of healthcare bills, only hurts the economy. This by any means is not sociolized medicine. And your right, Nixon who introduced HPO's into the insurance companies, causing the huge affects we have now, and when Goerge W. Bush, allowed to sign a medical act the provided drugs cheaper for seniors, but making it harder for more seniors to get their drugs, and adding 800 billion dollars to the debt, is what really broke the system. In the legislation, makes it so no company, (including any public option) can not deny any type of coverage. It eliminates the death panels we currently have. I cuts the deficit by 130 BILLION dollars. Fixes the problems with fraud, and spending problems with in the Medicare and medicaid, while expanding coverage to seniors and poor people. The fact that it isn't socialized is the problem. Do you drive on highways? Have you ever been to school? Do you get your garbage picked up? Do you like fireman? Do you like police officers? Do eat food grown on farms? Do you use the internet? Don't tell me you don't like socialized anything, because almost everything you used is socialized in away, don't tell people to get educated, when you are very ignorant. I doubt any of this will get through to you and I doubt you will care about others. But for someone who wants a free market, your voting for the wrong party.

Thanks, Thhines, couldn't have said it better.

Btw, that's why I said it is socially as well as a personally irresponsible. I personally don't care if someone thinks they're invincible, that just makes them ignorant. But when I have to pay because someone else is an idiot, it becomes my problem.

@freemarketadam:

I would be careful with assuming that you can sue an insurance company for not covering you when they said they would. That's presumptive. My fiances father suffered a brain aneurysm nearly a decade ago. He underwent a lifesaving surgery that was paid for by the PPO plan that he had, but only after his then 16 year old daughter had to deal with insurance companies over the phone for days, as her father lie dying. The family practitioner was very close with my fiance and helped a tremendous amount, but without him her father would certainly be dead now. The excuse: the brain aneurysm was a preexisting condition that he failed to declare. The surgery saved his life, and it almost didn't happen. That wouldn't happen with this bill, and nothing you say will change that.

FYI, I am the one paying for your lazy ass and I don't want to. I have a right to keep what I earn and spend it the way I want. If I don't want to pay for your father, mother, brother etc that is my right. Maybe you should get off your lazy ass and work more so that you can afford your own medical care.

Freemarketmadam:

Are you saying I should not have to pay for your Defense Department if I don't want it?

@ freemarketmadam:

You don't wanna spend your hard earned money on someones health insurance..? I find you to be an incredibly selfish person. We aren't talking about buying each other kit-kats. We are talking about helping parents who have multiple children with leukemia. What the hell is wrong with you? I never understood people who say "oh my hard earned money." You're not mining blood diamonds. You're probably sitting at a desk and checking your current account every 30 minutes. Please... get over yourself. Whether it works out or not its a step in the right direction. Whether you personall are going to get it, i honestly don't care. There are people who are prone to getting sick that would take government health care no matter how "socialist" it is because no one else will help.

The process has to start somewhere, wouldn't we rather phase things in and get it right instead of rushing something that is this involved. We are changing a large portion of our government, it needs to take time.

And from what I understand it is not going to be 2014 or 2015, that is just when the all of the temporary provisions end and the actual permanent plan kicks in.

So why are they insisting it must be DONE right now for all of those poor people out there dying without coverage. Cause they'll be dead by then.... gee I guess you'll hafta just hope for the generosity of others....

Yeah, but guess what you get to start paying taxes on it imediately! Ha HA HA ......and if you don't buy it well you'll get three squares and a cot...

You are complaining that it will take a long time, and then complaining that legislators are moving it through quickly?

I don't understand.

The speaker of the house is insisting this has to happen now because it will save all these dying people now. Yet it isn't going to help until these poeple are dead. Yet we will all start paying taxes on it as soon as it's passed.
My point is they are lying and NOTHING is FREE!

Please, demonstrate they are lying, and DUHH of course it has to be paid for. Who is thinking that it isn't?

Except for medicare, social security, the post office, the police, the military and pretty much everything they do.

As it turns out, the government does an outstanding job. I wonder where you get that idea in the first place?

Everything you just mentioned has flaws. The richest most powerful country in the world and we have starving and dying people. You call that a success of the government!

what the hell does this have to do with the topic. if you don't like fox don't watch it. but enough of you people who feal inclined to stuff your shit in a topic that has nothing to do with fox.

Considering all of the wars that we have funded with our tax dollars the least we can do is use our tax dollars to save lives here in our own country.

and "we", as in you and I, may not reap the benefits right away but within 90 days there will be some terminally ill patients who do.

Page 2073 states "wheel all terminally ill into the closets and "discover" them just before they croak, use extraordinary efforts to make it look good".