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Former teen idol Kirk Cameron is on a crusade to debunk evolution

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CNN: Former Teen Idol Kirk Cameron is on a Crusade to Debunk Evolution

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  • ryan8566
  • Ogaal
  • curtisreed
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • Global warming scientists emails were hacked and shows that they are defrauding the public on global warming -- story in the nytimes today and is a prime example of why you just can't trust what they are telling you --- they have an agenda.
      Keep an open mind people -- on anything someone is telling you where they stand to gain from your ignorance.

    • 2 years ago
  • tangibleparadox
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      tangibleparadox  
    • montesooma:

      keep an open mind yes. but IMO, evolution doesn't debunk religion. when i was christian long ago, i didn't take the bible's creationist theory literally, instead believing that the evolution of man was guided by the hand of god instead of an instant creation of all living things in a few days. didn't threaten my faith.

    • 2 years ago
  • MyRealPolitik
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • montesooma:

      myreal -- yes but this fraud is affecting every aspect of our lives and will soon take our wealth and distribute it to the rest of the world. This is what it is designed to do -- Loot the wealthy countries and bring them down --
      It is a tool for redistribution of wealth.

    • 2 years ago
  • unclecharlie
  • tangibleparadox
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      tangibleparadox  
    • montesooma:

      @unclecharlie: i don't think anything really threatened my faith... except perhaps myself. over time, i eventually reasoned that, given the various religions in the world, no one, including myself, can really know for sure which one is true. each person has their own religious / spiritual (or lack thereof) path that suits them and they find to be true based on their faith and experiences. for me, so long as you're a good person, all's well. i decided not to worry too much about what happens when i die and to focus on what i think it means to do good in this life. i don't feel there's concrete proof for a lot of religious / spiritual beliefs (namely god(s), heaven, a soul, things of that sort), so i generally don't believe in it (tho i do, for the moment, continue to hold some superstitions, including a belief in some sort of soul). if i witness any proof on anything, tho, i'll surely be ranting about it to people. ;P

    • 2 years ago
  • unclecharlie
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      unclecharlie  
    • I am a Catholic. Yep- I said it- so there. Being Catholic means being open to either/or- which is much better than the anti-intellectualism of the Protestant right. Re: evolution vs. creationism, the jury is still out in my opinion, but I would lean towards evolution. Re: Kirk cameron, I would not put him in the same sphere as GK Chesterton, Avery Dulles, SJ, or Ronald Knox

    • 2 years ago
  • bike10
  • stinknus
  • jubal
  • Robert_S
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      Robert_S  
    • wow they are slick and retarded at the same time. Its like saying 2 +2=5, it doesn't add up.

      The reason being, when they say they want to explain another side of Y topic, thats fine. Thats not what they are doing though.

      Truthfully, I think they are doing way more to hurt their cause than to help it. Because now I and thousands of others who felt their religion was bullshit have see their true face.

      Reminds me of the church of scientology really.

      - peace

    • 2 years ago
  • wizzle
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      wizzle  
    • thank you everyone! Its people like you, and your totally rude comments that make me realize that people are jerks not because of a belief or a lack there of..but just because their jerks.

    • 2 years ago
  • ChristopherX
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      ChristopherX  
    • wizzle:

      Tru that, I guess hate is a trend that just wont die. Why is it so hard for us to disagree in a civil manner? It is apparent some people dont love themselves and their meanspirited words reflect that fact.

    • 2 years ago
  • stinknus
  • krush_productions
  • ChristopherX
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      ChristopherX  
    • I think he means well, but the fact of the matter is people like him feel so guilty about some regretable aspect of their lives and this seems to compell them to save the world. When one has hit rock bottom they become vunerable. Whomever is there at that moment wins their total trust. This deems them impressionable and easy to manipulate. What they fail to realize is that spirituality means different things to many people. No one person can and does follow the same path to enlightenment. His crusade is personal and should remain his and only his. He is what some would call a new Christian that is why he feels so passionate about sharing his life altering experience. Its the attitude of what is good for me is also good for you.

    • 2 years ago
  • MyRealPolitik
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      MyRealPolitik  
    • Sure, to hell with 150+ years of scientific theory, I'm sure one fundamental christian ideology has the better perspective; after all, they got that whole geocentric model right!

    • 2 years ago
  • BustYourFace
  • ochreRobot
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      ochreRobot  
    • I wonder how the they would like it someone added an introduction to the bible and handed it out in front of their institution of worship?

    • 2 years ago
  • SleepDirt
  • ochreRobot
  • sampierre
  • SleepDirt
  • montesooma
  • ochreRobot
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      ochreRobot  
    • montesooma:

      Could you please explain something god has done. Oh, and please furnish some evidence that is rational, peer reviewed, published, and generally accepted by people with educations that do not come from theological institutions, you know people that have degrees that are what we call accredited.

      Tanks a millions. :)

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • montesooma:

      Accredited by institutions that teach evolution as fact?
      I just got thru watching a b.s documentary called "how the earth was made"
      I don't have a degree but i can poke holes all the way thru this fairy tale.
      The problem is many people don't have a built in bullshit detector and will believe
      these things at face value. If you haven't studied the evidence of different theories then you cannot pretend to know the answers. Or perhaps your like al gore and proclaim debate to be over.
      You ask me an open ended question about one thing that God has done. He created time, the universe, and all life force.
      We can set here and debate different evidence of micro and macro evolution and creationism until the sun burns out, did you have something specific in mind?
      Let me just say that there are many accredited, and educated scientists that believe in intelligent design -- if you don't think so than your not looking our listening.

    • 2 years ago
  • snarly
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      snarly  
    • montesooma:

      where is your evidence that god even exist? The sunsets? A butterfly?
      Please. As for bullshit detectors, mine goes off every time some one mentions the virgin birth, walking on water, the resurecction. Every one myths from ages before the myth of christ. All religion is is a few men who decided that they needed to control the thoughts and actions of every one else, not to mention an excuse to do the very actions that they preach against.

    • 2 years ago
  • ochreRobot
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      ochreRobot  
    • montesooma:

      You stated

      "some scientists are not open to what God has done, they audaciously tell Him how He made the earth and how long it took him"

      And I am asking for just one thing god has done and some evidence to support it.

      You asked

      "Accredited by institutions that teach evolution as fact?"

      And I will say that is not a criteria that I am setting. But the degree should be from an institution that would be offer an accredited bachelors of science or associates of applied science.

      You also said
      "I just got thru watching a b.s documentary called "how the earth was made"
      I don't have a degree but i can poke holes all the way thru this fairy tale."

      This does not answer my question but please poke some holes for me. I would like to hear your perspective.

      You said

      "You ask me an open ended question about one thing that God has done. He created time, the universe, and all life force."

      When someone says something but does not have any evidence to back it up.. Guess what happens... My BS detector goes off..

      I am open to a lot of theories but I believe in order to be taken seriously you need to have some fact or evidence to back up your argument. And I am asking you for just that. That is all I am asking for. I am not here to debate evolution vs intelligent design.

    • 2 years ago
  • CreditFigaro
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      CreditFigaro  
    • montesooma:

      Montesooma, I think this defines you in a nutshell.

      You have a one liner position on everything where you have a position. Any complexity and you are gone, and off to troll another article.

      Here is the problem: Creationists rarely answer the question asked. I think, honestly, that they don't understand the question in the first place.

      I watched this debate, and the religious side was absolutely pathetic. You don't win at a debate by answering a different question than was asked.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • montesooma:

      I took my time creating everything (by taking my time i mean, since I am an eternal being, to you it must have seemed like trillions of years) and when I was done, i was ashamed about making humans. I tried to correct my mistake when I flooded the earth, I took a chance on this nice family, or so I thought. But the grandpa turned out to be an alcoholic and an incestuous pedophile.

      So I decided to go to a parallel universe and see if I could do better there. I did. That is why I haven't been back to your fucked up Universe for thousands of years, because your all a bunch of whinny fucked up pricks.

      A quote from God "The New Book"

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • lifestudentno83
  • Marbled_Godwit
  • Toughth
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      Toughth  
    • people just can't look into their own minds and think for themselves. Darwin used the scientific method and observation to make an educated guess as to the true nature of life. Creationists just use superstion and the idea that a bunch of clerics who did not have any idea of scientific observation was all about, They were just saying this is the way we want history written. Someday we will see just how much church ideaolgy was created to presearve a power base.

    • 2 years ago
  • montesooma
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      montesooma  
    • Toughth:

      that is not true. many scientists make sweeping assumptions about the beggining of the earth and totally ignore creation evidence that doesn't fit their presupposed desired result. This has nothing to do with superstition.

    • 2 years ago
  • SleepDirt
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • after growing pains thats what hes been doing. just like the guy who played buddy on charles in charge.not so much "news" as much as what hes been up to for the last 20 yrs

    • 2 years ago
  • snarly
  • grassroutes
  • mojojuju
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      mojojuju  
    • God made man
      But he used the monkey to do it
      Apes in the plan
      We're all here to prove it
      I can walk like an ape
      Talk like an ape
      Do what a monkey can do
      God made man
      But a monkey supplied the glue

    • 2 years ago
  • lordsbassman
  • snarly
  • SleepDirt
  • kennymotown
  • Ajil
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      Ajil  
    • this will probably do more harm to kirk cameron's efforts then good. there is a video of a russian girl that debunks every piece of the 'evolution debunking intro'.

    • 2 years ago
  • tangibleparadox
  • bailey78
  • PajamaDan
  • bailey78
  • LowShred
  • RojoGatto
  • lordsbassman
  • magic6435
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      magic6435  
    • I can't be the only one to be asking "Who the fuck is Kirk Cameron and why should I care that some z list celeb is doing something stupid"

    • 2 years ago
  • lifestudentno83
  • PajamaDan
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      PajamaDan  
    • WOW! I thought I truly believed in (and WAS a product of) evolution,... but if an actor from Growing Pains and one-sided propaganda films tells me evolution is wrong,.........

    • 2 years ago
  • bailey78
  • malathion
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  • SleepDirt
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • It takes a special kind of liar for the faith to do what Cameron and Comfort do.

      Never mind that nothing in Christianity, not even American-bullshit Fundamentalist Christianity, requires a literal belief in genesis to go to heaven.

      Never mind that, again and again, polls show that most people that believe in evolution are Christians themselves, some of them rather hardcore.

      Never mind that Cameron and Comfort have not only been proven wrong on EVERY attempt to "debunk" the best proven theory in science, but that they continue to use those arguments that they not only know to be false but in fact but use them because they've been proven false to promote a false sense of success.

      Creationism is a mindless conspiracy theory that has less validity than geocentrism. It can only perpetrated by these criminal con artists in a country like the U.S. where education is scorned and knowledge neglected by the general populace.

      I could literally write a book about how demonstrably stupid every single aspect of Creationism is, and I'm not even a scientist. You don't even need to be.

      But there wouldn't be a point, because that is not and never will be what creationism is about. It's a power struggle for the modern church, who is becoming increasingly irrelevant and less able to convince its sheeple of anything they say.

      What they are against is secular humanism and scientific naturalism. It's ironic that the American Protestant movement fled from the Catholic Church only to emerge as a competing totalitarian institution.

    • 2 years ago
  • ochreRobot
  • CalgarC
  • mako2424
  • pjacobs51
  • ras_menelik
  • jubal
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • As my boyfriend has said, "Washed up actors are not scientists."

      Anybody see their banana video? If you see these guys, buy 5 dozen bananas and start handing them out next to them. :)

      Also, did you know they're not releasing the list of colleges they're going to? Their reason is because they don't want to schools to stop them from handing out their books. Lol. Pathetic.

    • 2 years ago
  • pjacobs51
  • SleepDirt
  • nursediesel
  • bombastinator
  • csmonut
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