NBC rejects PETA Thanksgiving ad (Video)

Somehow, I doubt you'd be saying this if it was humans instead of animals who were the victims.

The point is that it's too descriptively gruesome for television. I wouldn't be comfortable with a little girl talking about ANYTHING regarding death so morbidly -- humans or animals. It's demented.

Oh get real lix, there is nothing gruesome about this. What do they show on tv? Let's see, people chopping off heads, getting stabbed, shot. CSI shows decomposed bloated bodies and other gruesome simulated images. Give me a break.

The ban of this commercial proves to me that most people like to keep their heads buried in the sand

I don't agree with the violence shown on TV shows either, but at least there's a damn 'This may not be suitable for children' message beforehand. I'd be making phone calls to NBC if this commercial aired and my young child was going around repeating about "burning turkeys' feathers off while their still alive" or getting upset thinking about it.

Hope that's "real" enough for you.

It's a good PSA for the internet and niches, but NOT for national TV.

"The point is that it's too descriptively gruesome for television. I wouldn't be comfortable with a little girl talking about ANYTHING regarding death so morbidly -- humans or animals. It's demented."

Too gruesome to watch, but not too gruesome to let happen, eh?

"meat is really good for body building."

No shit. My point is that meat isn't the ONLY good resource for body building, let alone just being an average healthy human being.

You really don't know how to construct an argument, do you? You're making so many irrelevant arguments, it's almost unbelievable you can even spell.

1. Covered in the comment above.

2. You never *illustrated* how lack of meat can adversely affect people. You just *asserted* that lack of meat can adversely affect people, without explaining how.

3. You don't know what an analogy is, do you? You telling me my remark wasn't "funny" makes about as much sense as telling Martin Luther King, Jr. that his "I Have a Dream" speech wasn't "funny". It wasn't MEANT to be funny.

4. "You cannot rebuff the fact that children need certain nutrients found on dairy and meat". I never intended to rebuff that fact. What I am "rebuffing" is the myth that these "certain nutrients" are found ONLY in meat. I didn't even bring up dairy, but it applies to that as well.

5. You know damn well that wasn't the line I was referring to in regard to ad hominem attacks. Sleazy putz..

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that many animals *do* get skinned alive for meat consumption.

And I love the fact that you're still making irrelevant ad hominem attacks, like suggesting I'm a deranged sick freak who "loves" torturing animals, just because I can point out flaws and inconsistencies within your system of reasoning.

1. I sincerely doubt you feel "sorry" for stepping on grass the same way you'd feel sorry for stepping on an animal.

2. Perhaps you're not aware, but "People just dont seem to think anymore" is an ad hominem attack that essentially amounts to "You're stupid." Your attacking someone's intelligence instead of his or her relevant arguments.

3. Again, your argument lacks any substance. A Nazi could just as validly argue:

"I believve I wrote that if the person don't like killing jews Im ok with it, as long as the person don't start preaching that it is "better" than not killing jews because it is not, and you cannot deny that jews cause a lot of social problems."

4. Many people in this thread have explained how meat is in no way "necessary". Even if you're a body builder, you're better off getting protein from whey protein than meat, which is high in calories. And surely most of the general public need not meet the high protein standards of friggin' body builders.

5. No one here ever said that he or she is a "better person" for not eating meat. This mentality of self-victimization is strictly in your head, and I've heard many anti-vegans utter that same pseudo-persecution line. Moreover, it's an empty, irrelevant argument anyways. Again, a Nazi could just as validly protest:

"Once more, just don't try to think you are a better person than who doesn't kill jews because that dear incense, is nonsense."

And for the record, no, I am not calling you a "Nazi". But logic must apply universally and consistently.

The argument that animals are capable of feeling pain and therefore deserve to be treated differently from plants is not "nonsense" at all. I'm sure you've picked a twig from a tree or mowed your lawn before. Are you saying you'd feel no differently tearing a wing off a bird or skinning a rabbit alive?

What's truly nonsensical is your apparent belief that your argument is self-evident. You don't even TRY to present a counter-argument; you just spout off a bunch of vague ad hominem attacks.

what exactly is nonsense..? made up sentences? can you explain a bit more?

Right? Right? Right? Right? Right?

It's pretty fucking clear this ad (as well as all of PETA's ads) are targeted towards middle-class Americans who aren't "starving". Starving children in Africa ain't gonna be watching this Thanksgiving ad on their fucking HD TV's. -_-

um.... im pretty sure i wasn't argueing about who PETA's market audience is but rather their misspleced priorities. RETARD!

Yes, and I guess music programs are also crazy and have misplaced priorities. After all, when there are starving children in Africa, why focus on teaching kids how to play violin? Right?

Not to mention, Harvard is totally crazy. So many starving children in Africa, and yet Harvard just teaches students about business, literature, psychology, and all that non-essential crap. Right?

Not to mention, CURRENT is totally crazy. They're focused on distributing user-generated content when there are kids freakin' STARVING in Africa!!! Am I right or what?!?!

Retard.

Harvard is a institute of education you do learn about that kind of stuff if you wanted to. PETA on the other hand is a bunch of wackos who love animals more then their fellow human beings.

fucking moron

Okay, that's fair. So let's stop gorging ourselves on Thanksgiving and turn the holiday into just "Giving." You start the project and let me know...

Meat consumption is a large part of the reason humans are going hungry. Research it, even though I have my doubts that you will do so with and open mind.

...You'll have to forgive me, I'm not much into unnecessary name calling.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/71230

"PETA on the other hand is a bunch of wackos who love animals more then their fellow human beings."

If you actually believe that, then you are a sad, pathetic, gullible little tool.

@ RoBot_rOcKer:

Oh, and I guess you agree that both music education and Current are both crazy, misplaced priorities.

calm_insense you need to get over yourself. does making pointless arguements and bringing up even more pointless facts make you feel better about yourself before you go to bed at night? or maybe you have some sort of social/mental disorder that makes you a prick. i dont know what your problem is but thats what ive narrowed it down to.

i'll put this in much much simpler words for you so you can understand my arguement, because i think i was being a little too subtle. put africa and media advertisement and harvard aside because im not even talking about that shit. im not starting any feed africa programs or trying to solve world hunger im only trying to say one thing.

*clears throat*

PETA cares more about animals then they do other humans.

do i need to dumb it down more for you? i dont think i can.

and dont bring up pointless shit that has nothing to do with the argument if you are going to argue with me like harvard and musicians because it has nothing to do with the original arguement. harvard and music have nothing to do with any of this. why you even brought them up is beyond my comprehension. i can see past your intellectual facade.

RoBot_rOcKer you need to get over yourself. does making pointless arguements and bringing up *NO* facts make you feel better about yourself before you go to bed at night? or maybe you have some sort of social/mental disorder that makes you a prick. i dont know what your problem is but thats what ive narrowed it down to.

i'll put this in much much simpler words for you so you can understand my arguement, because i think i was being a little too subtle:

*clears throat*

Your assertion that PETA cares more about animals then (sic) they do other humans is BULLSHIT and COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. You don't even TRY to prove it because you know you can't. It's just SLANDER and it's SLEAZY as fuck. It's no different from conservatives saying "liberals hate America" or liberals saying "conservatives hate minorities".

do i need to dumb it down more for you? i dont think i can.

Lastly, in response to your argument of caring more about animals than humans, I'll end with this lovely quote:

"humans are just animals."

...oh, and learn how to spell. Someone with such big ego shouldn't have such little grammatical ability.

are you fucking serious?
why does every internet arguement come down to fucking grammer and spelling?
you dont have a base to stand on so you have to attack my grammer?
if you want to know i dont take any of this seriously its not like im not writing a letter to the board of education i could care less how i spell.
humans are animals so why do we have moral obligations to make another animals lives better if they're going to get eaten anyways? does a wolf cook the sheep a meal and make it a cozy bed before he tears into it with his teeth? no he just slaughters it with no mercy. PETA is a rediculous organization with a hopeless cause

LMAO. Over half your comment focused on the 1/10th of my comment that had to do with your spelling and grammar. Apparently 2 out of 17 lines amount to "everything" in your mind.

It's sad (and pathetic) that you don't even understand my point behind your OWN quote. If humans are animals, then why the fuck should we care about humans more than other animals? What's the difference between a child starving or a chicken being boiled alive and having its head ripped off while it's still alive?

Oh, wait. You're a hypocrite with double standards. Never mind.

"...it's not eating meat that's the problem it's about respect for the life we take. A life in a cage pumped full of chemicals is not sane."

Agreed, and I think that is another point that is continually overlooked. I have bore witness to many animals being killed in many ways. I've seen processing plants, hunting, and the bare-handed slaughtering of chickens and cows.

When the food arrives it hides the gruesome process of raising and slaughtering animals.... Go vegetarian.

You're right jmsrmy, it's not a pretty sight. Being vegetarian is a much more peaceful existence. The plus to taking responsibility of killing your own meat is that it reminds you that you part of life and death cycle. Something that we push aside in our society.

Progressive in what sense? In Canada the Conservatives call themselves Progressive Conservatives. They've never been left of Liberals. But they're never referred to as right wing on Current by just about everybody. This is starting to get to me.

i dont know what the political climate is in Cananda as the comment is in reference to US political culture but you have a point that every lable has a tendency to be misleading.

Because it goes way against corporate interest. You would see a commercial like this on LinkTV or documentaries but not 30 second commericals on ABC, NBC, etc...

When everyone found out how bad partially hydrogenated oils were, manufacturers had to delete it from their processing. This is the kind of cause and effect that corporations absolutely despise, cause they think their shit don't stink and they can do whatever they want.

hello, i've been vegan for over five years, do not take any suppliments, and am in great health. just letting you know that a veg diet can contain the required protein your body needs, it just requires a little planning. quinoa, beans, tempeh, tofu, and whole grains are all great sources of protein!

Tell that to Carl Lewis and the many other Olympic athlete's who've achieved the peak of human athletic performance without ANY meat in their diet.

Google "famous vegetarians" or "vegetarian athletes"

Here's a list to get you started...

http://www.happycow.net/famous_vegetarians.html

You conflict yourself. You say meat is a luxury (which those luxurious cavemen could afford) then you admit that it's cheap. The truth is that most people cannot afford the LUXURY of a healthy and balanced vegetarian diet. Tofu, quinoa, fresh vegetables, seitan, tempeh. How do you feed that diet to a family of 4 if you're on a fixed budget? Can't live on vegetable-flavored ramen noodles.

I think what you meant was that meat protein is a luxury for our bodies, and not a necessity. That may be true, but until you can fund another person's diet for a lifetime, you cannot judge them for what they eat.

hahaha, i feel you on that one!

Wow, that wasn't an irrelevant, sleazy attack at all.

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I wouldn't bet on all your meateaters food being dead. The way some people eat their steaks; they're practically walking of the plate. & I won't even go into sushi eating.

Thank you! Yes PETA has been used overly aggressive tactics in the past, but this commercial is non-obtrusive and uses a "pacifistic voice" to make its point. The prior attacks on PETA in this discussion have been misguided as the question at hand is whether or not NBC should have pulled the ad.

Thank you ahappymintleaf for recognizing that fact and being in favor of fair voice... Cheers.

I know right? lolz Isn't brutally chomping down on some carrot chips murder?or stabbing that lettuce with a metal fork?

Dabne, I hope you aren't comparing a carrot to a turkey.

I agree, plants are living breathing creatures... so why do they continue to eat and kill plants.

apparently turkeys are far cuter than carrots. ;P

plants are not conscious, they only respond to external stimuli. animals on the other hand, have the capacity for suffering. when you yell at a dog, he gets sad . when you play with him, he's happy. animals share many human characteristics, plants... not so much. if something is suffering, it is natural to take that suffering into consideration. this is why many of us choose to not consume animal products.

Yes, because killing carrots is exactly the same thing as killing animals with nervous systems, spinal cords, pain receptors, cognition, and all that jazz.

*sigh*

Why are so many people who hate on PETA so incredibly stupid? I'm surprised no one's spouted that ol' "People Eating Tasty Animals!" acronym as if no one had ever heard it before.

Everything the little girl said is true, but its easier to be in ignorant denial than to search for humanelly raised turkeys, and they do exist, or better just to quit being part of the cruelty, and to quit being exposed to the poisen, hormones, and insecticides in the meat.
I guess its easier to call the messangers wackos that deal with the truth.

So why are the Indian students who are vegetarians always outperforming the red meat eating Americans in math and science? Lentils must do something for the brain.

i was on par with the one at my high school. and my lung didn't collapse either. (yes, he informed us his lung collapsed as a consequence of his vegan diet. i know it doesn't happen to all vegans, but it happened to him.)

i like steak. :) just throwin' that out there. of course, i would rather the cow live a happy life before ending up on my plate...

Vegans get their protein the same way hearty, meaty, healthy cows that you make into steak do. VEGGIES.

The only reason they won't air it, is because it would dissuade people from consuming turkeys. We don't want to upset Tyson or Butterball, now do we?--their corporate sponsors.

There's a time an place for everything and PETA has done some radical things in the past and this is a low blow considering that everyone wants to relax with their friends and family right now.

I agree with Fiat, Turkey day is about celebrating family and friends, it's not a platform for the Peta-nuts to spread their message and alienate people.

They get too much money from the big food processing companies and they don't want to offend their money bags.

JibberJabber: You're right about the inequality, however I agree with carmalite that the networks will cater to their audiences and ad agencies.

Because their other big money sponsors during the parade, like Stove-Top (a.k.a. Kraft - they probably buy commercial time on NBC all year long) and Butterball, might get a little pissed about this direct conflict of interest. Also, it is likely to offend some people, or scare some children - who are the main target audience for the yearly parade broadcast.

Just as NBC wouldn't air a commercial showing all the starving babies in ethiopia during saturday morning cartoons, they don't have to air this during the thanksgiving parade.

Everything the girl said is absolutely true. None of it is exaggerated.

The simple fact that you take offence to the straightforward truth demonstrates how cruel and disgraceful the practice of industrialized animal farming is.

People can live in ignorance or they can learn the truth and either accept that they're eating bird poop and dirt or they can change their diet.

No, what's childish is not confronting reality, which is obviously what you're into.