No Way!!! Can Pot Really Cure Cancer?!?!

On one hand, I agree that this Rick Simpson is all about medicinal marijuana oil. But as far as dissing the stoners, have you watched the video? Have you seen the process for making the oil? It's nothing more than hash. All he's done is separate the THC crystals from the plant material. He uses a solvent to accomplish this(which I don't really like), and it makes the hash a little runny, but it's still just THC. I'm not saying that other forms such as pills aren't being produced somewhere, but one could easily squeeze a little bit of Rick Simpson's oil into a bowl and light it up. Nevertheless, I feel that all marijuana consumption is medicinal. It eases the mind, lowers stress and generally makes you feel better.

"It's nothing more than hash."

Not at all - it is nothing like hash, and the process for making hash is completely different. Hash has a far lower concentration of THC than cannabis oil. Hash is smoked, cannabis oil is ingested.

well the ultimate goal would be to put it into pill form, thats what theyre working on in israel. you cant make it truly pharmaceutical if you cant properly measure the exact dosage. thats thc extract put in a measured dosage, so that your doctor could prescribe you 20 milligrams or 40 milligrams so to say when you actually have something wrong such as cancer. eventually medicinal marijuana wont be to treat your "backache" so you can get high, it'll be to solve legitimate medical problems. thats the difference between medicinal marijuana and recreational use.

To benefit from the curative properties of cannabis with regard to curing cancer and other diseases, smoking it is not the way - one needs much higher concentrations of THC than one gets just from smoking it. Cannabis oil is ingested, not smoked. :)

Not so much really. I am actually trying to be serious here. I'm more of a troll connoisseur than a perpetrator really. A really good troll can be highly entertaining. A good troll should have in it the obvious indication that it should not to be taken seriously for one thing.

In this case I am indulging my other habit which is hunting down poor arguments and reasoning.

good point, thanks for keeping it intelligent-ish. I still haven't come off my high horse...

see, now that is actual science.

@ bombastinator: so you admit weed cures cancer?

Peter Tosh called it the "healing of the nation."

close, but no cigar. It is actually simpler and less philosophical than that. Can't patent a plant.

thank you for thinking about the subject as clearly as you can

How am I QUALIFIED? I'm the guy who read the stuff same as you. I just read it carefully and skeptically. And I'm not desperate. I don't NEED it to be true in the same way a lot of people here seem to. How are you qualified?

The only real difference is I was just raised with a scientific background, I don't have a vested interest, and I'm not drinking the koolaid.

Having a doctorate doesn't separate him from corporate interest. His company has a vested interest and is a bit sketchy. They try to sell something without telling people what it actually is. I do agree that he is more legit than i originally thought, but his departure from pure research and his entrance to corporate America means that he now has an agenda he did not have before.

Also none of the stuff you quoted impacts on the original point which is that the whole hemp oil worship thing is still snake oil and will remain so until research is completed, and depending on how said research turns out, possibly even after that.

What hemp oil worship has done is created a base of interest for doing the research in the first place which is not a useless thing. But these claims remain unfounded. The guy who started the whole thing still has the problems I described. I grew up listening to squishy holistic aroma therapy yo-yos BS their way around reality, and I know someone avoiding facts when i hear it.

"I grew up listening to squishy holistic aroma therapy yo-yos BS their way around reality"

Sounds like you may have a chip on your shoulder and some sort of grudge against the hippie community and holistic medicine in general. Everyone, it seems, has an agenda.

"The only real difference is I was just raised with a scientific background, I don't have a vested interest, and I'm not drinking the koolaid."

Your vested interest might not be in the legalization of the herb, but you certainly do have a vested interest in something....keeping the herb illegal? denigrating non-traditional medicine? or simply proving to the world how scientific and astute you are? Everyone, it seems, has an agenda.

A fair point. My vested interest is an attraction to the incompetent, the corrupt and the incorrect. Falsehood, foibles, etc.. I'm the kind of person that enjoys turning over rocks to see what scaly horror slithers out.

I find I enjoy applying logic and rigor to weak arguments. I like exercising my brain and I don't get to do it enough in normal life so I do it here.

The weak point i continually find and address in the various facets of the marijuana legalization movement is a tendency to over sell, over believe and over assume. They want this stuff to be true so hard that they make it more true than it actually is. This of course actually eventually works to weaken the argument in the long run.

stop chilling and start paying more attention. You're wrong bombastinator look up your information before you dictate what is what and stop posting idle threats against Vieortchka's videos, she is posting them not only for ignorant people like you but interested people like me, (thanks by the way vierotchka).

there are no threats here idle or otherwise. I resent the accusation.

I'm just complaining that the woman made like 8 posts in a row containing hours of video, much of which is either a rehash of already discussed material or outright duplications. She was posting it so fast she couldn't even keep up with it herself.

As for me paying attention, I am and have. I stand by my statements here. I have read abut and looked this stuff up. she is saying almost nothing new, with one exception that I noted.

I am NOT posting blindly, bombastinator. This is a subject that I have been studying for well over 30 years. I am posting videos which prove you wrong - this is why you are so annoyed. Well, too bad - sue me!

Perhaps the term blind was imprecise. You seem to be running about pulling links off the internet as fast as you can find them without pausing to see what is being made of the stuff you posted only seconds before. Some of the posts are duplicates for example, and many are previously posted and discussed items.

no duplicates. that is a flat lie

Oh for god's sake! just because it's video doesn't make it more true already. You already posted this one.

Actually, this is not the same one that I posted before.

So there is nothing special about this then as it was used by the entire jewish community at the time then? What were the particulars of it's use in this case? Just because this special anointing oil existed doesn't mean he actually used it. That's not a scientific fact that's a hypothesis. An interesting one though. I hadn't heard that before.

No, it MIGHT protect. Which is what I said if you recall. It's still research.

thats my point: snake oil.

You wish, but facts prove you wrong. I am beginning to suspect that you might be shilling for Big Pharma. If that is the case, shame on you.

Nope. Not shilling. I'm just thinking critically.

As for the facts, all they prove is that there are some preliminary indications that some of the things attributed to hemp oil might prove in the future to have some basis in fact. You're counting your chickens not only before they hatch but before the rooster has even gotten involved. Right now all we've got is a certain amount of rustling and clucking in the hen house.

yes yes, read my previous posts attatched to the last time someone posted this.

The reason they're having such a bitch of a time with the studies is because most of the studies are usually authorized and paid for by pharmaceutical companies. They can't duplicate marijuana to a "T," and therefore they can't patent it. If you can't patent it, how do you make money off of it and/or corner the market? They can't find their way into the cannabis market and it's pissing them off.

Kind of true I think. Research is being done, as has been pointed out in this thread.

The USDA does research like that all the time and is not subsidized by drug companies. It's one of their primary functions. The research they do is often followed up or used by companies but they don't control what research is done.
They may not be doing much in the way of cannabis research of course since it's still a bit controversial. I vaguely recall the Obama administration giving the OK to do some. I could be totally wrong about that though ad in any case it's new which means we won't see anything from it for years.

As for the whole unpatentability thing that got partially solved in the 90's. Part of the orphan drug program. They can't patent the whole plant unless they go GMO with it, but they can patent chemicals they find for particular uses. There have actually already been cannabis based drugs produced. They just didn't work very well so far and were horribly expensive so they got laughed off the shelves.

What the hell?! Is the idea to throw so many recycled hours of video at me that I can't reply? Unfortunately I've seen most of this stuff already. This has all been posted and commented on at current before by me with the exception of this one.

This one seems to say that someone has made some sort of breakthrough. If this is the case we then there may be a cannabis based drug available in the future, or there may not since this seems to still be a preliminary study.

This merely supports what I have been saying. Science will catch up. This still is not yet a reasonable support of hemp oil.

yes I know about him too. He works for a company that sells medical testing cannabis products. His job is to tell people how awesome canabis research is.

He has also done some very interesting research, and is the one I am quoting when i talk about how difficult cannabis research is.

Links, please.

ras menlik dug it up below iirc. The thing I am thinking of is a previous thread on current on this same subject. The part where he discusses the nature of how cannaboids work in the body is part of an extended 20 minute lecture. It's in the link somewhere.

I'll see what I can find.

Anyone willing to actually listen on this subject already knows Vierotchka is right.
I get the feeling bombastinator is talking and talking but going no where.
One of the main problems I find with current is people who ramble without support, but I do it to so, meh

historical fact? Really. We don't even have proof that he actually existed, but we somehow do have proof that he used hemp oil as a healer even though he was a carpenter. I think I'm going to have to demand a source on this one.

bombastinator your a fool trying to make fantasy out of fiction. marijuana has been used as a herb for thousands of years, before jesus and before moses and before buddha. Roman Catholics and Ancient Hebrews were notorious for using marijuana as a scent (patchouli) and as an ingredient in their holy water rituals. Not to mention the romans loved smoking weed, among other excessive practices.
And no i'm not going to give you sources, either believe me or look it up for yourself but I'm not going to waste my time looking up sources when you will just try to discredit those as well.

good thing I didn't ask you then. Interesting that patchouli is not a controlled substance then if it actually contains signifigant amounts of THC or other cannaboids. This leads me to suspect that it doesn't. As it happens the person I did ask replied and his information was interesting. he did not however mention that the ingredient in the anointing oil mentioned was actually patchouli. That does weaken his argument somewhat.

As for your statement that It has been around for a long time, well of course it has. That was not the question. The question was whether a particular person used the stuff and that it was a "Historical fact" that he did so. Since the actual existence of this person is not even considered a historical fact this struck me as unlikely.

As it turns out what the guy meant as I understand him was that this anointing oil has a known standard formula and was used throughout hebrew culture at the time. The assumption that is made is that this therefore is the same oil he used to perform miracles. Whether this actually happened is unknown, but the assumption is reasonable if not a full blown historical fact.

Hemp seeds are extremely nutritious. If you are ever stranded on a desert island, you would be very happy if there were some cannabis plants to help sustain you.

http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html

In case you didn't notice, there's a section on the website that tells you how to make the oil for yourself. You don't have to buy a book, make a donation, or even ask for the recipe....all you have to do is get your hands on enough cannabis to actually do it and follow the steps on his site.

As far as the medicinal value of THC and the "alleged" effects that this essential oil claims to have on cancer, there have been studies that have proved THC to be something that shrinks brain tumors in rodents. Most of your verbose BS is fear-mongering geared at cannabis in general and has no more validity than films like "Reefer Madness."

Fear mongering? how do you figure that? As for the rodent studies, yes I am well aware and referred to them. they have proven to be unduplicatable despite many scientists trying.

The problem is that canniboids are on the very forefront of science atm. They are very difficult to research because of the way they act in the body, and we know very very little about how they actually work.

Because of this, just like every other thing that has been in this position, they make a favorite target for quackery and scam artists. The first material like this that got heavily promoted commercially was snake oil as a cure for alcoholism and about a hundred other things.

There have been many others. While electricity was still poorly understood it was a favorite too. The last bogus electrical invention actually happened in the 1990's. It was a product called "the simulator" which was sold for hundreds of dollars and was actually a gas stove igniter.

If you look at the various health claims made for radium at the turn of the century they are almost identical to the various claims being made for canniboids. I doubt it will turn out to be as dangerous as radium did, but the phenomena is identical. We don't know how it works but because we don't know that means it might work which is close enough to does work if you are sufficiently desperate or stupid. It's classic.

The quackery this most closely resembles is an 80's phenomena called Laetrile. A bogus anti cance rdrug made from peach pits. There were people giving that away for free too. Didn't always save them from jail though.

Science will catch up, and then we will know what this stuff actually does.

What I find fascinating here is that you are the person who postex the article and claims to be asking the question. It seems from nature of your reply here that you were being disingenuous. It looks to me like you never had any question at all and are really just trying to promote it. What did I say earlier about scam artists?

Scam artist? What exactly am I selling? What exactly am I trying to get everyone here to buy? The answer is not a damn thing!
I didn't get on here for the express purpose of promoting marijuana. The primary basis for this article is cancer. Needless to say, there are quite a few Americans out there that are interested in news relating to cancer and new treatments and possible cures. I have a vested interest in the topic due to my family history of cancer. I am a proponent of medical marijuana and I am a licensed medical marijuana patient in the state of Colorado. The purpose of posting this information was directed more at those that are concerned with cancer. The fact that the sub-topic of the whole thing is THC really gets to some people and it's their right as a human to be offended. I respect your right to disagree with anything that's ever said by anyone but don't expect me to bow to some rant about scammers and con-artists trying to pull a fast one on people.

Then why did you as a question you were sure you already knew the answer to? It certainly looks like an attempt to hide an agenda, whether it actually is or not, which is all I said.

The hemp oil thing produces more controversy than almost anything else on this site. You want to see a few previous examples of people trying to make money off this concept in exactly this manner? I can remember two off hand. I'll try to find them for you. They're kind of old though so it may take a while.

Cannabis has been shown to reduce the occurrence of head and neck cancer. That is a fact. If there is any scam, it is MUCH more likely that it is perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies who would rather not have some unpatentable plant be the cure for cancer (not that the research would indicate that it is an actual cure yet) when it is so much more profitable to sell a bunch of synthetic drugs to cancer patients instead. Profit drives American policy, not concern for the well-being of citizens.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-armentano/if-pot-prevented-cancer-y_b_261157....

@noxiduerus Yes! Exactly! You prove my point!

Let's review:
1) What is the difference between prevention and a cure? preventitives do not cure, they prevent.

2) What did I say about there being some evidence of prevention but not of curitaves? That there is some evidence of preventitives but not yet of curatives.

3) what did I say about the pot community over reaching? They are all seeing first generation tentative research of possible prevention and calling it a cure.

This is what I'm saying!

Cool. There is evidence that not only is it possible that it might help prevent cancer, but also that it can be used to treat cancer by inhibiting cancer cell division and attacking cancer cells while leaving healthy cells alone. It's no proof of a cure just yet, but very promising anyway. I would not compare this to snake oil. The idea that cannabis research might lead to a cure for cancer has merit, but more research is required before we can jump to conclusions.

my statement was that the claims in run from the cure are bogus. Not that cannaboid research is not worthwhile.

I believe I'll be doing a pre-emptive strike on this one.

Don't be too sure of that yet. The research is still being done. Cannaboids are active but we don't know what they actually do yet.

The research haws already been done. If you're looking for medicinal information on cannabis, here. Knock yourself out!

http://www.greenpassion.org/f11/granny-storm-crows-list-july-2009-a-13858/