Obama Continues Bush’s Unconstitutional Prolonged Detentions W/O Trial
-
-
- shanklinmike
- added this
***This article has been chosen as a discussion topic on PFP Movement Radio, http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pfpmovementradio Friday night at 6pm-8pm. Please Call In To The Show, 347-633-9636. COMMENTS will be included in the show so feel free to discuss or ask questions here on current.com as they will be addressed during the show. This article will also air on Freedom Hour Saturday at 9pm-10pm on Movement TV http://www.peacefreedomprosperity.com/?page_id=36***
-
- groups:
- Community, Current Tonight, Modern Majic, modern detective, 1 more
-
- tags:
- News, News and Politics, Politics, Current TV, 10 more
-
-
Ragan
-
There is just one littlle problem. Many of the detainees if that is the term for them, were the innocent sons and fathers of innocent families and they were taken into custody from their homes, If that is the term or captured as POW's. Now how would anybody in America like to be taken into custody from his home and detained for five or seven years with no way to contact family and also be subject to the brutal torture as indicated by the failure of the photo's to be released. Don't you ever believe that America is totally safe from the international community and it is vulnerable to foreign invasion considering that the whole world hates us and is trying to carve a wall between the Dollar and the Euro dollar or some other international currency.The Dollar is too weak to be of value as the international currency and besides Obama refuses to get rid of the people who caused this debacle. The whole world is suffering from the Federal Reserve Bank and its excesses and for the fact that they have permitted these great ponzi and pyramid scheme's to continue. Imagine how many rich people in this world have lost so much money from US investments. US is and has been bankrupt for years now and is or could be subject finally to foreign investors calling in their worth. US cannot pay off with anything but Real Estate. China has a great amount of money tied up in the USA. Think about that. So does DuBai and all of the Arab Nations. If the USA can condone torture so can the rest of the world and they could also impose sanctions against us one day. The world keeps getting smaller and smaller.
- 2 years ago
-
Ragan
-
-
Paratus
-
Anyone from Al-Qaeda detained are detained as terrorists. I see no Constitutional problems here. These guys wear no uniforms, are affiliated with no country. The Geneva Convention does not apply and neither does our Constitution. Rachel and other like her need to get over it and figure out which side she is on.
- 2 years ago
-
Paratus
-
-
Ragan
-
How many of Bush appointees are still on the Obama agenda? How many of the economic advisers are from Goldman Sachs, AIG, JP Morgan Chase??
- 2 years ago
-
Ragan
-
-
Ragan
-
Just what don't you understand??The USA foreign policy has been barbaric since the end of WWII. Harry Truman gave us the National Security State and from there our Government went from worse to worst.We bought friends and installed vicious corrupt dictators we maintained a CIA and covert operations maintained economic hit lists and assassinations world wide and all we ever heard of was the Russian assassinations and murders We created a world of hate, terrorist and enemies. Our constitution is in existence as a museum piece of historic Document that has no power anymore. Just a piece of Parchment paper. If only those Patriots who are willing to kill and die to prevent defacing the flag would only recognize that our constitution is of far greater value than the Flag. Perhaps together they could stimulate the psyche in the public, but I doubt it, We have been taught what is political right and political wrong as political correctness and that means we can lie if we can benefit from it and not get caught.
- 2 years ago
-
Ragan
-
-
ChristopherX
-
Duped us blind optimists!
- 2 years ago
-
ChristopherX
-
-
WhiteNoise
-
SCALIA WILL GET US STARIGHT SOON ENOUGH ;)
High Court To Take Up Case Involving Part of Patriot Act
By William Fisher The Public Record Nov 30th, 2009
http://pubrecord.org/law/6155/court-involving-patriot/?utm_source=rss&utm_me...The Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case challenging a law that treats human rights advocates as criminal terrorists, and threatens them with 15 years in prison for advocating nonviolent means to resolve disputes.
The case is known as Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, and is the first case to challenge a portion of the Patriot Act before the Supreme Court. The case, originally brought in 1998, challenges the constitutionality of the law that makes it a crime to provide “material support” to groups the administration has designated as “terrorist.”
ALSO COMING FROM SCALIA SOON ;)
SUPREME COURT ABOUT TO DO THE UNTHINKABLE !
http://current.com/items/90935605_supreme-court-about-to-do-the-unthinkable.htm"Politics is the showbiz of industry." - Frank Zappa
- 2 years ago
-
WhiteNoise
-
-
krag2112
-
This is a mess. And Obama's equivocation on the legal aspect of prolonged detention is sad, especially coming from a former constitutional law professor. But as a country, we are in a no win situation. Our current laws are not adequate for dealing with acts of war from non nation states. Terrorists don't wear uniforms and today's battlefields are very different than they were 50 years ago. A new legal framework is needed and Obama is right when he says it should aligned with our values and our constitution.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but when I read some of these posts or hear comments from Rachel Maddow that imply that Obama and Bush are somehow the same on this issue, I really have to question their grasp of the facts (or their agenda). Obama says in the very speech that Maddow clips from that the current system of dealing with enemy combatants (the Bush system) is massively flawed. He then goes on to say there needs to be a new system developed that must include legislative and judicial review. A new system that must conform to the rule of law. Exactly how is that like Bush?
Like I said, it's a mess. But here's the real question, what do we do with the GITMO detainees who the only evidence we have against them was obtained by torture? Do we try them with that evidence? Do we try them in federal court or a military tribunal? Do we just let them go? Clearly there are no easy answers here.
- 2 years ago
-
krag2112
-
-
CarlosIsDown
-
krag2112:
I agree. How the fuck SHOULD we deal w/ enemy combatants. It aint no fekin easy answer.
- 2 years ago
-
CarlosIsDown
-
-
holyshiite
-
Obama is screwing up so badly that pretty soon you liberals will start referring to him as half white!
- 2 years ago
-
holyshiite
-
-
WhiteNoise
-
-
SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW ;)
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. "- Barack Obama, October 27, 2007 - 2 years ago
-
WhiteNoise
-
-
krag2112
-
WhiteNoise:
I've seen this quote a lot on Current over the last couple of days. Obama is talking about Iraq, not Afghanistan. It's almost word for word lifted from an op-ed he wrote titled "My plan for Iraq". Not "My plan for Afghanistan" or "My plan for All Wars". He also said many times that he was going to be as careful getting our troops out of Iraq as Bush was careless getting them in. And guess what, on his very first day in office he held a meeting where he directed all the military, political and civilian officials involved in Iraq to develop a responsible military drawdown from that country.
That's why politifact counts this as a promise kept.
Of course he hasn't kept all of his campaign promises, he a politician. But but he kept this one...something to consider before you use this quote again.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/125/direct-military-lea...
- 2 years ago
-
krag2112
-
-
shanklinmike
-
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTF5TksEzEY
Bush/Obama Foreign Policy....
- 2 years ago
-
shanklinmike
-
-
shanklinmike
-
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTBxCD6gZzg
Neocons/Liberals, 2 sides of the same coin...
- 2 years ago
-
shanklinmike
-
-
shanklinmike
-
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7jxjY7w_7A
We need to expose the whole load of politicians that are anti-individual rights!
- 2 years ago
-
shanklinmike
-
-
shanklinmike
-
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9TCC14akXk
Too bad most people don't understand what neoconservatives like Bush are all about and compare them to libertarians automatically....
- 2 years ago
-
shanklinmike
-
-
Bushido
-
It is distasteful, but it does not sound any different than holding enemy prisoners from the battlefield until the end of the war to prevent them from rejoining the fight.
Once Al-Qaeda declares their unconditional surrender, then those detained should be immediately released. Our constitution applies only to American citizens as harsh as that sounds. If we capture an American Al-Qaeda operative, give him due process and all the rights afforded to him under the AMERICAN constitution. However, foreign Al-Qaeda fighters have no rights under our laws unless afforded by treaties we have signed like the Hague treaty and/or Geneva convention.
Al-Qaeda is at war with our laws, culture, and way of life, we should not wage a war in return only to let them to benefit from these same American values that they are so hell-bent on eradicating. If we play by the rules while the other team ignores them, our odds of winning are slim.
- 2 years ago
-
Bushido
-
-
tommytripper
-
Bushido:
umm wow... your scary... and not in a good way... you need to lay off the kool aid... read some history and stop with the propaganda...
the US has been screwing around in foreign nations since its founding... it was a nation founded on war and rebellion... there are US military bases in over 150 sovereign nations around world... what you have is an American EMPIRE... this is never a good thing... and always ends badly...
lets take a look at a quick look at middle east... and the US... there is Israel a long dead nation forced into existence again, today is armed with US money and nukes... yet there is NO TREATY with Israel... Sadam was a US made bastard... the shaw (sp?) of Iran was a US PUPPET put in place displacing a democratically elected government who was anti American… the problems with the Taliban in Afghanistan and people like Bin laden, they were trained and armed by the CIA… the US is fighting monsters of its own making… they are fighting people you can never win against… they are willing to blow themselves up… how the hell do you fight someone who is so desperate and feels so oppressed that their solution to fighting back is a suicide mission…
the US OCCUPATIONS of Iraq, an illegal war and occupation violates international laws and was a war of choice and aggression. it Is also great recruiting drive for people to oppose and hate the US, Britain and any ally they have...
you need to stop looking at things as if they just happened and see the whole of picture… this is generations of hate we are seeing coming out… and the best way to deal with it, is come home… and stop feeding them reasons to hate… and start working on solutions to making peace…
but then again... why would a chicken hawk want peace right?
- 2 years ago
-
tommytripper
-
-
Bushido
-
Bushido:
Simply because we have a difference is ideology, does not mean that this makes me any less educated than you are. I read the same history books as you, only my nose is not so highly elevated.
You may remember that the attacks of September 11th and the first WTC bombing occurred prior to the invasion of Iraq. So Iraq, regardless of your opinion of it, is irrelevant because Al-Qaeda existed first.
You may also want to look at what happens when empires fall--they are replaced. As far as I am concerned, America is alright...far from perfect, corrupt like every other nation, but alright. Sure, our civil liberties are slowly being trampled on, but I can think of only a few other countries that can compare as far as human rights goes. As soon as America collapses, China will take its place, and if not China, someone else. Let's just hope it is not an oppressive, religious, terrorist cult like Al-Qaeda.
Their reasons for hating us are important, but not as important as protecting our citizens from their hatred. War is bad m'kay, but we are in one nonetheless. As such, I do not see an issue with treating these terrorists like the enemy combatants that they are.
Also, a Jim Jones reference? Really? Why don't you save that rhetoric for the next mass murderer you meet.
- 2 years ago
-
Bushido
-
-
2helenahandbasket
-
Bushido:
@tommytripper: " how the hell do you fight someone who is so desperate and feels so oppressed that their solution to fighting back is a suicide mission…"
LOL! Yeah, that's why they fight.... because they are oppressed and desperate. Yeah. Right
- 2 years ago
-
2helenahandbasket
-
-
ScottyT
-
Even Michael Moore is becoming skeptical of this administration. I'd say the man is more like Bush than most would choose to admit.
- 2 years ago
-
ScottyT
