Obama orders 30-35,000 more troops for Afghanistan, surge to begin by Christmas

Way to go. You somehow managed to predict something he said time and time again he was going to do during the campaign. Nice job Nostradamus.

its "huzza!"

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Really? How so?

Please show me the campaign promise where Obama said he was going to pull the troops out of Afghanistan (not Iraq...Afghanistan)? Here's one where he says the exact opposite.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/15/2008-07-15_john_mccain__bara...

You can argue with the policy all you want, but please get your facts straight.

my pedestrian attempt at sarcasm.

This will be our ending as it was for the Soviets. We are already on a serious decline and this will be the ending.

This is what he said he would do in his campaign, WTF are you talking about man? Why would this make people want to vote for the repubs? They are the ones who start the wars not finish them.

it shows me how much you know about politics !
How about you go back to school and get some more knowledge !
maybe than you can or should talk !

Typical response from the uniformed right.

Bush started this huge expensive pile of elephant dung. Extracating is going to be difficult, and please realize the majority of Repulican Senators and Congressmen want this filthy corrupt money for Halliburton and the other blood money crowd to continue getting their money because they support the conservatives with lots of money.
McCain wants us to be there for 100 years if necessary.

We need to just LEAVE. It was a mistake. Obama needs to just get out though he will be called weak and everything possible. Conservatives need to let their representatives know if they realize how fruitless this will be.

Except that didn't happen. Here's the factcheck on that bit of BS.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html

"the masters"?
what the hell does that mean?
Obama has no "masters".

I think we know what she meant by choosing that word. Sad.

Perhaps she meant the "masters of war" as in the old Bob Dylan song.

Yeah...that must be it. I think when most people hear the word "master" the first thing that comes to mind is Bob Dylan.

Given that her remarks were in the context of war, as someone close in age to her, Bob Dylan's "Masters of War" is the first thing that came to mind. It is a song lamenting war and the corporate puppets who declare it. I read Jan's post almost everyday and have done so for over a year. I don't recall her being racist. She is a greenie, not an angry racist.

Here are the lyrics to masters of war:

Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just don't want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
While the death count gets higher
Then you hide in your mansion
While the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

I'm sure you are right. I've read her posts for over a year too...and I'd agree with you, I don't think she's a racist (angry or not).

But having read her posts, I also know that she has a strong dislike for President Obama (however justified it may be to her) and that is an extremely unfortunate choice of words.

Thanks for your post sam...great song by the way.

The same masters Bush and every other president answer to. TPTB, the status quo, or yes, the masters of war. Some of you are downright disgusting with your ass umptions.

Yeah...and some of you should be a little more thoughtful about your choice of words. Assuming you were merely be thoughtless of course.

And some need to stop trying to start something where there is nothing. I could then say you are a racist if you thought using that word in the context of the conversation meant what you ignorantly assumed just because that is where your mind is. Who the hell do you think you are to throw such ugly unsubstantiated assumptions around about me? I do nothing but advocate for people of all races, especially indigenous peoples and the people of Africa who are now the most exploited regarding the environment, food security, food sovereignty, and human rights. You owe me an apology, but I won't wait for it.

What a shock to see that you think you're owed something. But you're right not to wait. I'll simply thank you for being more careful with your language in the future and leave it at that.

Best of luck with your advocacy.

Fine, leave it at that then since you were proven wrong. And just for your information, you don't ever get to tell me what words to use or how to express myself here. Ever.

I'd never dream of telling you what you could or couldn't say. Of course you have every right to use offensive language to run down the President. After all, most of us are just making comments...but you're advocating.

ahh, one of my favorite quotes, and painfully appropriate all too often.

Extremely sad, for the majority has its hearth at the good place but most are bamboozled by Mindfuck Inc. and many lacks the education & knowledge to perceive the tragic hoax they are being sold 24/7 for all of their life.

But enough compassion ;)

If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest or some guy on TV telling you how to do your shit, then YOU DESERVE IT. Stupidity has a certain charm, ignorance does not. - Frank Zappa

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous“ - Carl Sagan

good cop, bad cop, and if you vote for a Republican candidate you won't even get the sandwich and the soft drink the good cop brings to the interrogation table.

I don't like a troop increase either. But it's what he ran on, so viewing this as some kind of betrayal is disingenuous. But of course changing your vote is up to you, I'm sure President Palin's foreign policy will be thoughtful and judicious.

Where's my sarcasm button again?

Oh Yeah! I'm going for Palin in 2012! lol....I'm not crazy! funny bro
;-P
Also I know he talked about this up on the campaign, but not in real detail. Also how about all the other issues he did talk about, that will go unfulfilled? I just think there is a better way in Afghanistan. Plus it's not just the war. Obama was given a mandate & I thought for the 1st time since I was able to vote that we had the right guy for the job!
I just wish we had a real 3rd & 4th party system!
peace & karma
Wharf Rat

the only thing preventing another party coming to power within the system is the belief that they "do not have a chance"... who tells us this?? The media!! Once people vote based on their disgust for this faux two party system, the chance will be there... While we sit and let ourselves be led by the media into this farcical system they all are laughin on their way to the banks.....

Agree w/ you 100%!

I know Wharf...I was exaggerating to make a point. If you have a plan for Afghanistan, I'd love to hear it. Seriously. I don't think increasing the number of troops is the right answer (though expected...he ran on this), but I don't think there are any good options there at all. And a bad option that comes with an exit plan is better than endless war.

Best of luck to you.

Idea for Afghanistan: The original intent was to remove the Taliban from power. We did that. It was relatively easy and achieved at a relatively low casualty rate. The nation building phase is what has us bogged down. Remove the troops now. Let the Afghans decide their own fate. If the Taliban reassumes power, we can easily knock them out of it again as we already have troops and ships in theater.

For the final time ;)

« We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog, interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane. » - Jules Carlysle

" People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster." - James Baldwin

PS : Who named you the teacher in charge of us hot heads ?

Well, I hope you didn't get the impression that my comment was directed at you WhiteNoise. You obviously followed the election closely.

promises make me no less tired of human sacrifice and the systematic impoverishment of this country

Actually, he ran on expanding the Afghani war. He is doing exactly what he said he would.

Everyone should watch that video.

Dick Cheney is the thing that is dangerous.

You'll get no argument from me there.

yes, as are those who continue his policies.

Of course, why judge when you can pre-judge? I guess if your baseline is that everything Obama does is wrong, it makes sense not to listen to his plan before you shit on it.

Typical.

increasing the number to 30,000 is dangerous current89

dont you see more war wont solve more war?

He campaigned on shifting the focus from Iraq to Afghanistan. He said many times during the campaign that we needed several additional brigades in Afghanistan. He ran on it, was elected and is now standing behind what he said he would do. How exactly does that make him a fraud?

Argue the wisdom of the policy if you want (or can), but calling him a fraud for actually doing what he said he would do only makes you look like a fool.

Forget that Cheney said it and debunk what he said. To announce when a pull out will begin reflects a political, not military, proclivity. On its face it is absurd to announce an increase and provide a timetable for pullout simultaneously. It reflects a lack of concern or awareness for ground conditions. It also sends a message to the enemy to hunker down and wait it out. Telegraphing military strategy to the enemy can result in more casualties for our side.

Since we know that the government was fraudulently elected and that the nation embraces a system of endemic corruption, how can we be confident that we can train up those who will take responsibility for their own security in eighteen months? In this case, 18 mos is completely artificial. It's a bit like announcing the closure of Gitmo and then realizing that it cannot be done in the time outlined.