Dennis Kucinich Debates Bill O'Reily Dec 1st

Drewsurf is correct. "those who forget history..." remember the Crusades (murdering in the name of Christ, some battles led by the pope)...the Spanish Inquisition (torture and more murder). Bush invaded Iraq, which had not attacked us, saying "god told him to" and referring to it as a "crusade", murdering an unknown amount of innocent people, leveling their country 'to save them'. Christians who conveniently forget or do not own their history are scary. the Bible, any version you choose, is one of the most violent books
you will find.

@ryan8566: There's no doubt that both sides have the blood of milions of people on their hands. But since it's been a few CENTURIES since Christians became civilized and realized that wiping out entire races was not the thing to do, and Muslims are STILL doing it, I'd say Muslims win. They are STILL trying to overthrow the world and force folks into their sick, violent and controlling religion. If you care to open your eyes and take an objective look, you will see the dozens of violent things they do and people they murder and blow up every single day in the name of Islam. Religion of Peace, my ass.

Do Christians do ungodly things? YES - But damned few justify their anti-social failings in the name of God, Yahweh, Allah or any other "devine" being. . . go figure huh?

2helenahandbasket, what utterly pure and undiluted, mendacious bullshit!

@Vierotchka: Bullshit? Which part? I haven't seen lately that Christians are moving by the millions using force, "suicide" murders, violence, stonings, "honor killings" and all sorts of other means to keep even their own believers in check. (Even if the radicals are "only" 10%, they still number in the MILLIONS)

Christians are not immigrating to other countries and demanding that they be allowed to create their own little Christian towns-within-a-town so they can practice these tactics even though they are unlawful in those countries, and pushing, always pushing to gain more ground for their beliefs.

Christians aren't demanding that the symbols of other religions be completely moved out of sight because they are "offensive" to them. Christians have not gone into mosques and demanded all symbols be removed from that setting (not just MOVED, or covered, but permanently REmoved.)

If what I'm saying is bullshit I have a bridge to sell ya. Current likes to ban those who are not politicall correct and not afraid to speak about what is true. Political correctness forces us to ignore the truth, cover it up with sweet words or ignore it. Any intelligent person can not in any way accurately compare Christianity of today with Islam. Christianity is not perfect, but it is certainly NOT ISLAM.

Which part? All of it. As well as all of your above response. Remember that, among other massacres, the "Christian" US is directly responsible for several million deaths of Iraqi men, women and children over the past twenty years, so take your despicable mendacious posts and shove them up where the sun don't shine, whence they came from.

@Vierotchka: LOL! Getting a little hot under the collar, are we? Well, I'm not sure I like your tone, Vier. I could, if I wanted, flag your meanspirited response. I'm so hurt by your mean and intolerant attitude that I may never get over it. My self esteem has been lowered by your anger and cruelty.

I didn't realize we had been talking about what has happened during WAR time. I guess our troops have just been fighting themselves for a long time, since they are the ones doing all the killing. Surely no one is fighting back.

YOU may have been talking about WAR, Vier, but I have been talking about plain old life. You know, the day to day stuff where folks try to just go along minding their own business. Well, if you happen to be a Muslim woman, your business is EVERYONE'S business. At least if they are male. You are watched, intimidated, accused, threatened, whipped, stoned for the most simple action. You cannot be raped unless four MALE witnesses agree you were. And then if THEY say you were your father and brothers will kill you because their "honor" has been besmirched.

Doing damage because of war is entirely different from doing damage just because you can, just because you have a belief that dictates that its believers have absolutely no personal freedom, who live completely and irrevocable under the control and whim of madmen who have an unquinchable thirst for power. Radical Islam is a dangerous group of tens of millions who want nothing more than to turn us all into good little Muslims. And they will kill even their own followers if they so choose.

If you can't see something as plain as this I wonder if maybe your head is not somewhere the sun does not shine. War is entirely different than every day life. Look at the headlines, EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT has nothing to do with war.

What the US has done to Iraq over the past 20 years hardly qualifies as war - bombing a totally defenseless and innocent people and their infrastructure to smithereens from the safety of a jet plane is not an act of war, it is an act of genocidal terrorism, at best.

As for your self esteem - if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

LOL! I'm sorry you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it. Next time I'll point it out more clearly. If you think I was serious about my self esteem, you've simply given yourself way too much credit. I can imagine you smiling smugly, puffed up and proud of your razor-sharp wit.... LOL! Too funny!

You keep going back to the war thing, but not once have you mentioned anything about the 'every day' thing. You don't want to talk about that, do you? You want to be a good little leftie and ignore the elephant in the room. It's what the left does, blame the U.S. for all the evils of the world while pretending everyone else would play nice and love each other and get along if not for the evil WE do.

OK. Whatever...... Go back to sleep.................

Your imagination misleads you completely. As for sarcasm and tone, they don't show in your posts.

The "every day" stuff involves very small numbers of victims and not millions as you would have us believe. The US is largely responsible for them, too.

Of course the U.S. would be blamed by you for the way the millions of radical followers treat people. Funny. They've been slaughtering even their fellow believers for centuries and continue to do so. And most of it has nothing whatsoever to do with the U.S. The idiocy of some of the things apologists believe ( or CLAIM to believe... no one could be so foolish) is astounding.

And once again, you don't want to talk about the REAL radical Islam and the destruction it causes. You only want to talk about how horrible the U.S. is. Well, try THIS on...... Folks like you have been jumping up and down for decades insisting the U.S. is NOT a Christian nation. Then when it suits you you blame all the ills of the world on the "Christian" U.S. So, which is it? You can't have it both ways.

2helenahandbasket, I despair that the day might come when you no longer post total bullshit and lies.

LOL! How did I KNOW you'd give it the old leftie smoke-and-morrors-let's-change-the-subject routine?

"Try to divert their attention to something else and maybe they'll forget the question.........."

You're a hoot, V. It's been nice talking with you..........

Dearie, that's YOUR modus operandi, not mine! But one of the characteristics of those of your ilk is to project their flaws on others, as well as to blame their victims. No, I don't see myself as your, or anyone else's, victim. I'm not that kind of Jew.

Do tell.

I don't remember meeting anyone named Ciara. Did you use a different name?

How do you suggest we annihilate it? It's impossible without 1) killing, literally, everyone (which would destroy our relationships with pretty much every country in the world, turning them ALL against us) OR 2) Kill them, one by one, whack a mole until they are all dead (which would take a nearly indefinite amount of time because everyone you kill creates a family of insurgents)

So, you tell me how this is an effective strategy, because from every angle, it looks like an insurmountable waste of money, time, and diplomatic relations.

You can't just engage in war and win by killing enemy soldiers, anymore. We always win at killing. Why is it we are still losing?

I am sorry that you get political correctness shoved down your throat when you make such an argument. That is a cop out, because with a little thought, those same people could just figure out where you are coming from and engage you there. You have been done a disservice.

I'm adamantly against Islam's ideology and make no apologies for that .
Imho, any rational being that looks upon it's effects upon societies and cultures that it has overcome, should easily and readily conclude what a blight it is upon the spirit of man... regretfully I have no ready answers on how to rid man of this mental pestilence, for if I did I would shout it from the roof-tops to end one factor of much of the worlds turmoil that many, many nations are having to come to terms with regarding the harsh realities of its presence among them... instead of peace, they bring just self righteous arrogance, intolerance, dissension and hate.

Christianity's ideology is no bette. Imho, any rational being that looks upon it's effects upon societies and cultures that it has overcome, should easily and readily conclude what a blight it is upon the spirit of man..

What utter apologist bullshit, tell me, does Christianity have an active faction murdering people for supposed defamation of their God?

EXECUTIVE RESUME

Fumdamentalists from the trifecta of monotheists religions are used, abused & oh so confused by corpo supremacists to create endless wars for war profiteers !

WTF is so hard to compute here ?

AMBIENT CULTURE

"The three monotheisms, animated by the same genealogical death instinct, share a series of identical contempt: hatred of reason and intelligence; hatred of freedom; hatred of all books in the name the one & only; hatred of life; hatred of sexuality, of women and pleasure; hatred of feminity; hatred of the body, of desires & impulses. Instead of all that, Judaism, Christianity and Islam defend: faith and belief, obedience and submission, a taste for death and a passion for the beyond, asexual angel and chastity, virginity and monogamic fidelity, the wife and the mother, the soul and spirit. In other words, life crucified and celebrated nothingness" – Michel Onfray

"Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." -Frank Zappa

By supporting the eradication of Islam, you are supporting genocide and imposing religious dogma on others. Christian followers have waged more war and killed more innocent people than any other religious group, period. You are going against the central tenet of America by fighting religious freedom.

Akamaial-- I presume you're a part of that christian extremist faction?

So ... yes?

Why don't we do this....Bring troops home from that region. Tell all Islams (Good and Evil) that the next attack on America will result into nuclear nuclear annihilation of that region. Make them patrol their own extremists.

We can't do that. I don't want to nuke a whole country, ever. I would bet most people would agree.

Kucinich answered him that you can create 25 civilian jobs for the same money that you create one military job. It costs one million dollars for each troop in Afghanistan per year. How many civilian jobs can you create for one million per dollars year?

oh i definitely caught that, but my comment on "people" that need to examine O'Reilly's views was geared towards the O'Reilly followers and Fox audience, though it is not JUST the members of the right that need to rethink their views. Kucinich gets it right.

so was I but he had too many things working against him like the democratic party

He had things working for him too... like me and the other interns.

I had no idea he was short? Peobably most people have no idea how tall he is.

I like him for his covictions although they are 99% different than mine.