Baby abuser gets six months in jail

maybe the father could actually be one. Many are. Or maybe you could write a kind letter of encouragement to the family offering more than your 'respectful condolences'...but I strangely doubt by your suggestions that's that kind of "good stuff" you might think to make of yourself, at least for the moment.

You know what, you smug religious jerk, I have had it with your comments. I was adopted from a family that was too young and involved in problematic situations and my parents went through hell with the government to adopt me, even though their personal lives were spotless. I'm cynical? You are a disgusting person defending another disgusting person and critiquing those who feel for the child. Do you not care about kids? How many of your kids do you beat and break the limbs of (do you even have children?)? What is wrong with you? I'm not saying you abuse children, I just cannot bring myself to understand your point of view on this issue or your reasons for verbally attacking people on this thread. What a shame when humanity has come to this.

you engage in such ad hominem. I forgive you because I've been just like that before too...I'm sure I have a reputation for rather merciless caustic acidity. I vaguely and suddenly recall one of my childhood teachers who I could make cry, and did, until I was removed for a few meaner nunz who showed me the "Way". I apologize for offending you. But you really should edit your own shit because you really really do not know very much about me, that much is clear. In my own honest estimation, I think I'm not as smug as daringly articulate, and I dare not exclude my own shortcomings.

"Once you have been wronged and yhou realize there is a just debt that can't simply be dismissed--there are only two things to do.

The first option is to seek ways to make the perpetrator suffer for what they have done. You can withhold relationship and actively initiate or passively wish for some kind of pain in their lives commensurate to what you experienced. There are many ways to do this. You can viciously confront them, saying things that hurt. You can go aroundto others to tarnish their reputation. If the perpetrators suffer, you may begin to feel a certain satisfaction, feelting that they are now paying off their debt.

There are some serious problems with this option, however. You may become harder and colder, more self-pitying, and therefore more self-absorbed. If the wrongdoer was a person of wealth or authority you may instinctively dislike and resist that sort of person for the rest of your life. If it was a person of the opposite sex or another race you might become permanently cynical and prejudiced against whole classes of people. In addition, the perpetrator and his friends and family often feel they have the right to respond to your payback in kind. Cycles of reaction and retaliation can go on for years. Evil has been done to you--yes. But when you try to get payment through revenge the evil does not disappear. Instead it spreads, and it spreads most tragically of all into you and your own character.

There is another option, however. You can forgive. Forgiveness means refusing to make them pay for what they did. However, to refrain from lashing out at somehone when you want to do so with all your being is agony. It is a form of suffering. You not only suffer the original loss of happiness, reputation, and opportunity, but you now forgo the consolation of inflcting the same on them. You are absorbing the debt, taking the cost of it completely on yourself instead of taking it out of the other person. It hurts terribly. Many people would say it feels like a kind of death.

Yes, but it is a death that leads to resurrection instead of the life-long living death of bitterness and cynicism...if [you] simply refuse to take vengeance on the wrongdoer in action and even in [your] inner fantasies--the anger slowsly begins to subside. You are not giving it any fuel and so the resentment burns lower and lower....Your [anger] has defeated you, as long as you hate...You will stay trapped in your anger unless you forgive...thoroughly, from the heart and begin to love...[When that realization] begins to thaw out...you can go throught he suffering of costly forgiveness, which at first always feels far worse than bitterness, into eventual freedom. Forgiveness must be granted before it can be felt, but it does come eventually. It leads to a new peace, a resurrection. It is the only way to stop the spread of evil."
--the most gracious words of Timothy Keller, The Reason For God, Belief in an Age of Skepticism.

Only religion or higher education could cause an opinion like yours to stem from a topic like this. This conversation is over. I have no interest in arguing with some twisted set of moral or religious principles.

religion? Higher education? try a little Higher, before you step out further on your limb and act like you're getting off the tree you climbed up =D I'm not possessed by religion. try quite a bit Higher than you want to let yourself think for "twisted" fear. Who'd have thought a message for the possibilities for mercy, confession, repentence, and ultimate goodwill could cause such hostility? though one instantly recalls that it is especially justified vengeance which demands its place of viciousness for the right to be just so....an eye for an eye anyone??? did it ever help the blind receive sight?

But this too can also be gratefully forgiven. But if the sin is so "incomprehensible" though apparently it's not original by any means--it's quite common "in cases like these"--then so the solution may be as well...especially the way you take it (a vitamin you would mistake for an enema, and then complain when it's bigger than the last one..or when that tree limb starts getting rather thin :) lol

@Monkey_Films,

It is very helpful to have statistics handy but sometimes even 100% proof will not convince most stubborn minds.

"allowed"? Well, only God gives life, and naturally, it comes when some may not even expect..."smallgod" (small wonder?). What we do with it, and care for it, is the deal now, however many of us there are. The child's life is not a sin, whatever hardship he endures, and however long it takes him to through it. If you have such consternation for "horrible" parenting---especially when there isn't a perfect parent in the world--then you should try to actually prove your hype, join Dr. Spock and the rest, and inform the rest of us how you think it's done so we can whine years later how screwed up your own ideas actually turned out to be... Write your book, and we'll see.

I just ask parents not abuse their children, and I think it's unfair that many perfectly fit people can't adopt, but a woman who fractured her child's leg and left bite marks all over him is permitted to keep the second child she had. Stop talking down to people. It doesn't help you make your point.

consider the second child may pose a totally different set of circumstances...each child does. Do you have children? consider that terms are likely to be set that will encourage this woman in parenting...and that if she fails to follow through, she will likely indeed lose permanent custody of her own children. my point is things are hard enough without having to slam the door in someone's face just because you take a higher morality. try a shot at some redemptive values if you can. it might help your cynicism ease back where it belongs, as when I defend the indefensible somehow you still think I'm talking down to you. I understand exactly how you feel, but I don't stay there...

I have no time to argue morality. The basis of morality is one's own opinion. For one person, speeding may not be 'right' while another may not care. However, there are intrinsic human moralities that one should embrace. I have no empathy for an individual who breaks a one month old infant's leg and bites them. Can you imagine the cries and screams that child made during this ordeal? Did the abusive husband put a gun to his wife's head and tell her to bite her child and break his leg? Believe me, I do not believe CPS helps in many situations. Many times they end up taking a child away from a perfectly normal home. However, this woman seems to actually be an unfit parent. I'm not cynical, I just observe the different horrible circumstances in the world around me. Does it matter what I think? I have no affect on this woman's life, nor do I wish to.

In response to your comment, "when I defend the indefensible somehow you still think I'm talking down to you," this is not a correct interpretation of my comment. You could have made the same point without the following patronizing phrases you used:

"If you have such consternation for "horrible" parenting,,,join Dr. Spock and the rest, and inform the rest of us how you think it's done so we can whine years later how screwed up your own ideas actually turned out to be... Write your book, and we'll see."

as well as the following in your next comment:

"try a shot at some redemptive values if you can. it might help your cynicism ease back where it belongs, as when I defend the indefensible somehow you still think I'm talking down to you. I understand exactly how you feel, but I don't stay there..."

'Defending the indefensible' has nothing to do with it. You are no better than I, or anyone else for that matter, so please don't present your argument to me in a derogatory manner.

I find you impetuous, not moral. I wouldn't argue with you there. And since I have to guess, no, I don't think that you do have children you can call your own. You are not a parent. And neither are you forgiving. Yes, your view is clear enough. Can there be another one? Do you "allow" for that? Can you take a breath to "imagine" it? Have you ever heard that song by John Lennon?

I offer an alternative even if you don't like the challenge. "Try a shot at some redemptive values" because that's exactly what this court is going to do in whatever fashion it deems best...and whether your bitter enough or even like it enough or not to call it an "argument" over morality... later smallgod. enjoy your day. try...

You're defending a woman who beat and bit a one month old infant. I am sorry that if I don't agree with you that means I'm inflexible in my ideas. This just happens to be something blatantly stupid. You're arguing with an entity on the internet. You have no idea whether I'm a parent or forgiving. You are freaking out about a comment, and I'm the impetuous one? I honestly don't care what you have to say. I guess you can't even denounce a baby beater on Current without some whack-job posting his or her opinion in that person's defense. You're the only one here in defense of this woman. Are you her husband? Did you abuse your child, only later to have a grand realization dawn on you that your past actions were unconscionable? I really don't care.

are you just an entity on the internet? cuz I wasn't treating you that way. and would you really be rash and foolish enough to assert i may mean to advocate child abuse, or tolerance for it? =D Frankly I sincerely believe you are indeed much better than that and much more intelligent than you'd let on for the rash kind of stupidity that put this woman in jail too. But now I'm curious what you really think my "argument" really is? What defense do you dare to think I make? I've asked you to consider a few things not so negative, or rash. Like what of the father, smallgod? Is it beyond your realm of possibility? You're so sure. Perhaps I am the father and the husband. If any were to hold a grudge, wouldn't it be mine and not yours? because whatever you think my "defense" is in asking you to be slower to sure even decent and justified anger, I'm sorry I'd ask you also to consider that this woman could potentially be "reformed", that she may suffer sincere regret, and yet also as well, for honesty, as when you to make mistakes and admit them, be the better for it. Is that too outside the realm of your possibility? What hope do you have, or offer, "entity on the internet" that could condemn me? I see none. I too am outraged by the suffering of the innocent. I am...I've seen it with my own eyes. But "he that's hasty, often loses the way" that's how innocent people get killed on death row too...overzealous overeager overrighteous selfrighteous judgement. It's a fact. I don't intend to offend you with it. Cooler heads do prevail.

You're obviously bored, and you're defeating the purpose for me commenting on this website, which is to explore ideas with others in a reasonable manner, learn, and come to new conclusions. Due to this, this conversation is over.

I'm glad you come to "learn, and come to new conclusions" than spout the first reactional thing that comes off the top of your head smallgod. and yeah i'd rather be bored, I guess, if you say so, than obdurately stupid and so disrespectful. your welcome. my duty is done and your "morality" of indignation is just what it is...simple small-minded indignation any fool would know without someone like you thinking he was smart for saying it in so much agreement. small means small. and Mine really is bigger punk :)

This is where "A woman who spilled coffee on herself got millions" takes legs and runs. That's not all that woman did. She didn't JUST cut in line, just like it was NOT just spilling coffee that was hot. That coffee that old women got was 3 times hotter than they are allowed to now and she got 3 degree burns.

ive not heard of this "line-cutter" links??

obviously, they don't do it because they're straight. they do it because they're just as selfish as any in-your-face gay nipping at their heels like chronic little childish superiorly-minded reversely-discriminatory imps.

Im sure that makes up for her actions......

Your comment is a bit nonsensical so please clarify. Are you implying that people would commit crimes so they can obtain "free" health care?

you do realize that there are people out there who get incarcerated to get dental work done... ever hear of the phrase three hots and a cot??

^^^^^^
nuff said.

...or a bullet

isn't it bad enough? this is funny cuz last night I watched local 10 o'clock tv news for the first time in a very very long time, and I saw a young 22 year-old man who became aware somehow had gotten an admition from the young mother of his 9 month-old baby that she'd seen another man--in fact, apparently the newscaster later detailed, admitting she'd seen the other man's genitalia. He wanted to know the other man's identity and when {ahem pardon the necessary edit...'and when that information wasn't forthcoming' rather } it seems he got the child and put a gun to her little head and pulled the trigger. He then asked her "Was it worth it?" and then called it in to and said exactly what he'd done and why he did it: "I couldn't let live knowing that she was going to make another man my babies daddy..."

Find what "resolve" you can of it..but he soon admitted his own stupidity to admit on getting in the squad car that No..it had indeed NOT been worth it... Even as he was giving them his full name and telling them his age.."I'm 22 years old, and I'm going to jail for the rest of my life, aren't I..." rash stupidity, I'm sure we've all tasted it in varying degrees however less extreme...hopefully; but the problem of sin is that it's not confined to individuality, empowered individuality or what-have-you...it's got unavoidable social consequences. We see it over and over and over and over again... I still recall a girl who'd gotten a sex change only later to pass (ahem) 'himself' off as a girl to someone after a brief internet relationship...when passions squared and it was freakishly discovered, the guy freaked out and did something equally stupid in a fit of uncontrollable passions that basically...just like this kid...threatened his very identity......who he cherished himself to be and experience.... something we all know, if you admit it.

Irregardless, I vividly recall my good friend looking to me saying 'They're gonna kill him...they're gonna kill him in there.' The young 22 year-old man was attacked by another handcuffed prisoner just getting to court...his days are numbered. My friend speculated that they might be forced to isolate him, but that in some case, depending I guess, it could make him more vulnerable as well... In any case, it's true, anyone who harms an innocent child is considered marked for death even as they walk.

But I know my God is merciful, when we realize there is nothing really that good in man to begin with...we've all replaced God with 'us'...*WE* want it all, and sometimes it certainly rears it's ugly head though it's easier in vivid color to condemn than in the 'mere' shades of grey found in every single one of us. That means you too, my dear reader. We ALL need something more, even if our {ahem pardon another necessary edit...rather 'even if our own end in utter futility and vain-pride'} hasn't yet hit us like a freight train...

Cannibal Mom? Zombie Mom? Sorry, couldn't resist.
This is very sad but the mother is obviously deeply disturbed.